[HoN/DotA] Let's Play~!! - Page 1359

On June 29 2011 05:25 Nevuk wrote:
One of the best feelings in the world is winning a game after being a rax down in a massively bm filled game.

edit : I just typed a very long sort of summary/battle report of it. No idea why. Bored I guess. Match ID is at the end. Solo queue as support. If you want to see the rage watch it from legion perspective, most HB rage was over mic.


58 minute game. Very long and ridiculous.

Probably average 1815 mmr both teams, I was the only one above 1800 on my team but everyone was fairly close to it.

Played nymph/bs vs pesti/vj and obviously got raped lasthitting after my BS did nothing but stun the pesti in laning phase while the opponents denied in tandem constantly nearly every ck. Really annoying, nymph's awful animation makes her really weak in a dual lane anyways.

Our opponents have been raging at each other from 30 seconds before the game starts, apparently teal was grouped up with one of the same people last game and went 1-16 on slither. Teal votes for a rage-remake, it gets voted down. He's on aluna. He decides to dual lane mid with purple, as apparently both of them think each other are awful noobs.

So Pesti has a 5:30 minute PK (Slardar/blink, but i assume everyone knows) while our pred has been raping top and our mid has been failing really hard. (DR vs Devo). After laning phase their team is better at attacking places we're not than we are. This is my fault as I'm not being very active with Nymph's ult, but when engagements were happening we were winning them handily so I figured no big deal.

Essentially a team would win a team fight, push, get to the tower, get genocided by people tping immediately after rezing. (Happened 3 times before the 25 minute mark, I think).

Then our DR (stormspirit) just... stops initiating, allowing Pesti/Dev to get off some excellent initiation 3-4 team fights in a row and forcing bad plague ults. I miss a stun on a fairly important gank, get picked off easy, team collectively rages at each other for a minute or two.

We get an easy kongor kill, give aegis to pred. It's been an even game up to this point but it's a conclusive advantage for my team. We push mid, win a team fight by a slight margin (2 for 3). The surviving members of my team are out of mana and decide to back off. Pred then decides it's a great idea to attack the tower alone, get's killed twice in a row 1v5 and I die after coming back in with enough mana for just one stun to try and let him live. At this point our advantage is thrown away entirely for no real reason. I finish my tablet.

They come to gank our jungle, the team decides it's good to fight and engages far away from all towers 5v5. We get raped, lose 5 for 3. I hear "why don't we have sight anywhere????" and 30 seconds later their team complains about the number of wards we have that prevent them from catching when I run.

Their team appears to be raging harder and doing it more in all-chat.

We still have kill advantage but lose two mid towers, lose another team fight, lose rax. I call concede, it goes 3/5 for concede (which was pretty fair, I tend to call concedes early in general and even earlier if I'm solo queueing like I was).

Opponents taunt us, asking why we haven't conceded yet, criticize item choices (predator went shieldbreaker instead of something more normal), call us noobs, etc. I finish my 40 minute shamans. (I'm rocking a pretty awesome 121 gpm at this point).

They attempt to push into our top rax about a minute later and get raped, we lose nothing. It turns out some wires got crossed somewhere and their pesti was farming bot lane. Rage ensues. We're asked if we're mad at pest. (Why would my team be mad at him?)

For some reason my team decides to rage about pred's item choices at this point, twenty minutes after they had been picked up (his abyssal. apparently the deso was fine, but getting a vlad's at the 35 minute mark was a nono).

I finish my idol with the money made from that teamfight. The opponents decide they've had enough and go for a throne kill - which is always a really risky endeavor. They've been up the center rax for about 10-15 minutes at this point and decide to go through that lane with their mega creeps.

I'm hooked by devourer, tablet away, get stunned and then drop to 60 hp - at which point I active idol, covering my entire team, throw out my stun, and get off my heal. The plague astrolabes and I'm back to 700 hp and rapidly climbing from the innate regen idol gives. The opponents have blown their cc at this point, both aluna's chain stun and pesti's aoe.

The opposing team rages very hard because no one sheeped the magic immune pred. Aluna (the teal player who went 1-16 last game, also the one with the sheepstick) decides at this point that the best way to help their team is to not be in the teamfights at all, and proceeds to only power throw from across the map for the rest of the game.

I'm still not sure if this was intentional throwing at its finest or just coincidentally bad play. After the next team fight, they lose two rax. The final fight occurs at the bottom second tower, Aluna chooses to abstain and attack the mega creeps pushing in the center lane. A single red power throw comes out and does pretty much nothing. She tries to 1v5 at the bottom rax, or rather stuns, power throws, then tries to run away. Doesn't work vs pk/frenzied opponents and she dies in a hail of magical fire, electricity, and plagueicity. Opposing team gg's after shit-talking their teal player for a while longer.

This is mostly my experience with solo queue - people on the other team do lots of silly stuff. So do the people on my team, and sometimes so do I.

(match id 50768673).

On June 29 2011 08:56 Durak wrote:

Oh Sunye, the only person who quotes a long post to post one sentence.

On June 29 2011 09:32 Ganfei2 wrote:
Arachna rapes hag, no contest. Unless the hag gets really really good runes and all of them, like DD/illusion, hag will lose badly. Arachna's animation + damage is far far better than hag's. Her carapace also owns haunt and magic damage. The only way you'll kill her is if she's low already and you can blink scream ult and they're dumb enough to not press w/not have a level in w in between the whole process to take 1/2 the damage off your scream or your ult.

Sidelanes are different, arachna still beats hag in a sidelane but hag can be creative and actually hit arachna with the scream while farming instead of being forced to scream creeps only in mid, as a good arachna will never be getting hit by screams that are also getting the hag creep kills.

Also hag's HP is trash, which is also true of arachna, except at lower levels scream's radius sucks and if a hag trades hits with arachna + her web the hag will lose every single time, probably even with a scream or two which won't be in range to hit arachna unless the hag blinks in, in which case she'll die to the webshot anyways.

Devourer is really irritating middle and I personally have a very difficult time with him even when against players far below my skill level. I dislike having to think about it so much and watch him so carefully for hook possibilities. I've also been hooked a few times by the most ridiculously and obviously shouldn't-be-hitting-me-hooks that I have a psychological fear of them. Good devourers will constantly pull the lane to try to get you in a position where you can't see uphill and he's in the fog, so you need to pull back. A ward in the middle on your opponent's hill does wonders against devo. You can either place it purely for use against devo or, for example, if you're legion you can place a ward on the left hellbourne middle ramp on the edge to see the rune + see about 1/2 of devo's middle lane, so you can get some bonus vision for dodging hooks + rune vision.

Heros like defiler, flint, SS etc are total trash against a good devourer. 0 escapes, 0 damage if forced to fight inside rot, shitty HP pools. Any ranged hero can "sort of" win with good harass but if you get hooked even ONCE you're done, there's literally nothing you can do. Heros with leaps like valk, hag, or with good disables like puppet, completely rape devo. Heros who can do a lot of melee range damage while standing their ground also rape devo, like DR, who can spam his Q for extra damage to harass + if he gets caught in rot just Q 3 times in 9 seconds and rape the devo.

On June 29 2011 02:54 rabidch wrote:

so the heroes you like to play more are the ones that you complain about how broken they are. i see

On June 29 2011 09:38 Judicator wrote:


hahaha

Hardly broken after the stats nerf and the other broken shit that was put out. PL is just fun cause people always play me like I have Dopplewalk and then they ask where all those lances come from.

On June 29 2011 09:21 doktorLucifer wrote:


So in this specific matchup at mid... arach vs hag, how should it play out? What should each of these heroes be doing?

Also, I still have trouble vs devs. Granted, the last dev I faced was some 1700 ish psr dude with like 3.5 kdr just stomping. I was midding vs him with flint, was harassing decently and keeping the lane pulled to me. I got a rune at 4 minute mark, but the lane ended up pushing forward a bit, and I literally walked into a hook. After that, I died like 4 times in row to random nonsense.

(My little brother said to me "just rush boots after going your normal item opening and learn to dodge skillshots lol noob")

So what I do eh?

On June 29 2011 09:46 rabidch wrote:

iirc you still made a few posts after the stats nerf

On June 29 2011 10:08 Judicator wrote:


Yeah, definitely rode that broke PL too long after the stats nerf, should have gone to the broken shit Morph.



This is the second guy that lied about their CS after being asked. The idiot was complaining about how Viper vs DK was unfair...when he had stupid regen from the Tree aura on top of maxing out his armor first.

Share your stupidity.

On June 29 2011 09:32 Ganfei2 wrote:

Devourer is really irritating middle and I personally have a very difficult time with him even when against players far below my skill level. I dislike having to think about it so much and watch him so carefully for hook possibilities. I've also been hooked a few times by the most ridiculously and obviously shouldn't-be-hitting-me-hooks that I have a psychological fear of them. Good devourers will constantly pull the lane to try to get you in a position where you can't see uphill and he's in the fog, so you need to pull back. A ward in the middle on your opponent's hill does wonders against devo. You can either place it purely for use against devo or, for example, if you're legion you can place a ward on the left hellbourne middle ramp on the edge to see the rune + see about 1/2 of devo's middle lane, so you can get some bonus vision for dodging hooks + rune vision.

Heros like defiler, flint, SS etc are total trash against a good devourer. 0 escapes, 0 damage if forced to fight inside rot, shitty HP pools. Any ranged hero can "sort of" win with good harass but if you get hooked even ONCE you're done, there's literally nothing you can do. Heros with leaps like valk, hag, or with good disables like puppet, completely rape devo. Heros who can do a lot of melee range damage while standing their ground also rape devo, like DR, who can spam his Q for extra damage to harass + if he gets caught in rot just Q 3 times in 9 seconds and rape the devo.

I always find it funny that people make fun of unconventional builds and proceed to lose to it, it's so boring to do the same builds every game because rarely are games the same.

On June 29 2011 02:17 Judicator wrote:
Yo man, gotta impress strangers on the internet. If they go through the trouble to check if you're telling the truth, they're just nolife stalking losers anyway, fuck 'em, am I right?
On an unrelated note, got new job CEO'ing 10k/day sup?

Vladmir's Offering: If you seriously considered buying this, ask yourself this question: "am I playing in a pub?" If yes, then take a look at the rest of your teammates' items--there's a 95% chance that all of them are holding one, so don't even bother buying Vlad's since you can just mooch off of your teammates.

On June 29 2011 15:43 TheTester wrote:
Flint is a terrible mid - really bad base damage, no escapes, dies when out of position to like anything.

Hag is weak too. My favorite is to pick fayde against hag because cull is either free or gives you mana back @ lvl 3-4 if you hit hag/ranged creep, so you can stun/cull to harass and then kill her with ult early on. Conveniently scream range = stun range.

And you never want to see a fayde get big early on ;o