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On June 10 2011 23:17 Jayme wrote:
Great now I get to play against Blood Hunter and Keeper all weekend -.-
I've been playing pure slither for the past few days. Funnest hero ever. I don't know what it is but casting poison spray, ult, and getting toxicity on everyone allows hilarity to ensue. It's amazing see people you didn't even know you hit die to your shit.
I even had to buy the alt avatar, couldn't help myself.
You know what's annoying?(and this happened to me TWICE yesterday) is dropping someone low, having them escape, and THEN GET LAST HIT BY THEIR TEAMATE TO AVOID GIVING ME THE KILL. I didn't even know that was possible up until yesterday.
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On June 10 2011 23:12 keeblur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 22:50 mcJ wrote:So apparently patch notes have been leaked, some major changes. Don't tease me bro!
Version 0.7.30
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- Added Alt Couriers!
* Can now change the courier into one you buy ingame!
- Added 2 Alt Taunts!
* Gore Taunt and Bability Taunt!
- Added Custom Account Icons!
* Purchaseable in the store, upload an icon on the website!
- When downloading replays, the progress bar will now properly display a % sign
- Fixed not having recommended items when playing the same hero twice in a row if you failed to retrieve a guide
- You can now purchase stat resets and sub accounts in the store with Gold coins
- Store UI significantly changed
- Fixed an issue with stat resets that incorrectly reset some fields
- Servers now will try to upload old stats until they succeed
* This is backwards-impacting, which means any game in the last 90 days or so that has ever failed to upload stats will be uploaded and added
* Many of you will probably see old games show up in your stats and your stats will change quickly after this patch
* Example: If you played 10 games during the DDOS events, you probably never got wins/losses/MMR/stats for them. You will see them show up and your stats change for those 10 games over 24 hours after this patch.
- All Melee heroes now all have 128 Attack Range
- Non-lethal damage can no longer get credit for kills (For real)
- Increased the movespeed of some of the Neutrals under 300 Movespeed to 300
- Leash time all Neutrals lowered from 7 seconds to 5.25 seconds
- Caldavar has been changed
* Kongor area widened to make it more 'even', including a new Legion ramp in the area
* Vision blockers of Kongor's lair removed
In-game Shop changes
- Significantly changed the shop to be much more optimized and better overall
- There is now a default guide for when your connection to the Database decides to use the Failboat
- Outpost no longer contains a Pickled Brain
- Secret Shop removed
* Items that were purchasable in this shop are now purchasable in the main base
* Secret Shop renamed to Legendary Shop
- Secret Shop replaced with the Observatory
- Observatory contain 1 item: Wards of Sight
* Wards seen in the Observatory are shared with the ones in your main base in stock
- Nullfire level 1 back to a 12s cooldown
* Level 2 is still 20s
- Fix to giving Insanitarious to other players and it bugged out terribly (LOL)
- Added a new Alt Avatar for Ra
Blood Hunter Rework
- +15 Starting Movespeed (305 > 320)
- Blood Crazy duration nerfed from 6/9/12/15 to 6/7/8/9
- Blood Crazy damage to 20/s flat. Separated into a debuff and a buff, so that you can rid yourself of the negative element with a purge, or rid an enemy of the positive element with the purge
- Blood Sense now activates off allied heroes as well, but not self
- Hemorrhage changed to superior magic damage, damage values increased by 25%
Fayde
- Fixed the sound from Deep Shadows playing at ear-killing levels
Keeper rework
- Starting STR reduced to 25 from 27
- STR/level reduced to 3 from 3.4
- Camouflage
* Renamed to Nature's Veil
* Now gives BOTH Camouflage and old Nature's Protection effects (invises near trees and gives the armor/regen buff)
* Duration for both buffs changed to 10/20/30/40 seconds
* Nature's Protection component now gives a flat 4 Health Regeneration and 6/8/10/12 Armor
* Mana cost to a flat 60
* Cooldown to a flat 5 seconds
* 500 cast range
- Tree Sight
* Removed, replaced with Animate Forest
- Animate Forest
* 130 Mana cost, 30 second cooldown, 700 cast range
* Casts on target tree.
* Target tree and 1/2/3/4 nearby trees (takes closest to target, max search range of 500) are converted to Treants
* Treants have 500 Health, 2 Armor, and 325 Movespeed
* These trees last for 45 seconds
* These treants serve as "trees" for Nature's Veil, keeping people invisible around them
* These treants serve as "trees" for Entmoot, giving KotF charges of Attack Speed/Movement Speed
- Nature's Protection removed
- New Ability: Entmoot, passive self-buff
* Keeper of the Forest gains 3/6/9/12 Attack Speed and Movement Speed per nearby tree, up to 5 charges.
* Radius of 375
- Root
* Duration lowered from 3/4/5 to 2/3/4 seconds
* Cooldown lowered from 160 to 120/110/100
* Damage per second increased from 85 to 100
Silhouette
- Tree Grapple mana cost from 95/105/115/125 to 120 flat
- Relentless Salvo damage per stack from 6/9/12/15 to 3/6/9/12
- Shadow cooldown from 90/75/60 to 120/105/90 seconds
- Shadow duration from 30 to 15/25/35 seconds
- Shadow damage ratio from 33/66/100% to flat 66%
http://pastebin.com/fX7dzNb4 I like how s2 is fixing their bad patchfinding by giving melee heroes some extra rage. Already an alt avatar for Ra, wtf? I don't know, this sounds kind of... fake. Like no more secret shop, observatory, new Kongor position, melee being ranged, and shit like that just sounds so far fetched.
Actually the melee change is almost 100% going in. Nome has said so on his blog. Also 128 range is the range of many melee champions currently (Fayde, Tremble, Magmus, Dev, etc.).
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On June 10 2011 23:22 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 23:12 keeblur wrote:On June 10 2011 22:50 mcJ wrote:So apparently patch notes have been leaked, some major changes. Don't tease me bro!
Version 0.7.30
-------------
- Added Alt Couriers!
* Can now change the courier into one you buy ingame!
- Added 2 Alt Taunts!
* Gore Taunt and Bability Taunt!
- Added Custom Account Icons!
* Purchaseable in the store, upload an icon on the website!
- When downloading replays, the progress bar will now properly display a % sign
- Fixed not having recommended items when playing the same hero twice in a row if you failed to retrieve a guide
- You can now purchase stat resets and sub accounts in the store with Gold coins
- Store UI significantly changed
- Fixed an issue with stat resets that incorrectly reset some fields
- Servers now will try to upload old stats until they succeed
* This is backwards-impacting, which means any game in the last 90 days or so that has ever failed to upload stats will be uploaded and added
* Many of you will probably see old games show up in your stats and your stats will change quickly after this patch
* Example: If you played 10 games during the DDOS events, you probably never got wins/losses/MMR/stats for them. You will see them show up and your stats change for those 10 games over 24 hours after this patch.
- All Melee heroes now all have 128 Attack Range
- Non-lethal damage can no longer get credit for kills (For real)
- Increased the movespeed of some of the Neutrals under 300 Movespeed to 300
- Leash time all Neutrals lowered from 7 seconds to 5.25 seconds
- Caldavar has been changed
* Kongor area widened to make it more 'even', including a new Legion ramp in the area
* Vision blockers of Kongor's lair removed
In-game Shop changes
- Significantly changed the shop to be much more optimized and better overall
- There is now a default guide for when your connection to the Database decides to use the Failboat
- Outpost no longer contains a Pickled Brain
- Secret Shop removed
* Items that were purchasable in this shop are now purchasable in the main base
* Secret Shop renamed to Legendary Shop
- Secret Shop replaced with the Observatory
- Observatory contain 1 item: Wards of Sight
* Wards seen in the Observatory are shared with the ones in your main base in stock
- Nullfire level 1 back to a 12s cooldown
* Level 2 is still 20s
- Fix to giving Insanitarious to other players and it bugged out terribly (LOL)
- Added a new Alt Avatar for Ra
Blood Hunter Rework
- +15 Starting Movespeed (305 > 320)
- Blood Crazy duration nerfed from 6/9/12/15 to 6/7/8/9
- Blood Crazy damage to 20/s flat. Separated into a debuff and a buff, so that you can rid yourself of the negative element with a purge, or rid an enemy of the positive element with the purge
- Blood Sense now activates off allied heroes as well, but not self
- Hemorrhage changed to superior magic damage, damage values increased by 25%
Fayde
- Fixed the sound from Deep Shadows playing at ear-killing levels
Keeper rework
- Starting STR reduced to 25 from 27
- STR/level reduced to 3 from 3.4
- Camouflage
* Renamed to Nature's Veil
* Now gives BOTH Camouflage and old Nature's Protection effects (invises near trees and gives the armor/regen buff)
* Duration for both buffs changed to 10/20/30/40 seconds
* Nature's Protection component now gives a flat 4 Health Regeneration and 6/8/10/12 Armor
* Mana cost to a flat 60
* Cooldown to a flat 5 seconds
* 500 cast range
- Tree Sight
* Removed, replaced with Animate Forest
- Animate Forest
* 130 Mana cost, 30 second cooldown, 700 cast range
* Casts on target tree.
* Target tree and 1/2/3/4 nearby trees (takes closest to target, max search range of 500) are converted to Treants
* Treants have 500 Health, 2 Armor, and 325 Movespeed
* These trees last for 45 seconds
* These treants serve as "trees" for Nature's Veil, keeping people invisible around them
* These treants serve as "trees" for Entmoot, giving KotF charges of Attack Speed/Movement Speed
- Nature's Protection removed
- New Ability: Entmoot, passive self-buff
* Keeper of the Forest gains 3/6/9/12 Attack Speed and Movement Speed per nearby tree, up to 5 charges.
* Radius of 375
- Root
* Duration lowered from 3/4/5 to 2/3/4 seconds
* Cooldown lowered from 160 to 120/110/100
* Damage per second increased from 85 to 100
Silhouette
- Tree Grapple mana cost from 95/105/115/125 to 120 flat
- Relentless Salvo damage per stack from 6/9/12/15 to 3/6/9/12
- Shadow cooldown from 90/75/60 to 120/105/90 seconds
- Shadow duration from 30 to 15/25/35 seconds
- Shadow damage ratio from 33/66/100% to flat 66%
http://pastebin.com/fX7dzNb4 I like how s2 is fixing their bad patchfinding by giving melee heroes some extra rage. Already an alt avatar for Ra, wtf? I don't know, this sounds kind of... fake. Like no more secret shop, observatory, new Kongor position, melee being ranged, and shit like that just sounds so far fetched. Actually the melee change is almost 100% going in. Nome has said so on his blog. Also 128 range is the range of many melee champions currently (Fayde, Tremble, Magmus, Dev, etc.).
Cool. Not trying to rally it being fake really, just sounds fake to me. I usually steer clear of game forums, so I'm never very well informed.
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On June 10 2011 23:12 keeblur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 22:50 mcJ wrote:So apparently patch notes have been leaked, some major changes. Don't tease me bro!
Version 0.7.30
-------------
- Added Alt Couriers!
* Can now change the courier into one you buy ingame!
- Added 2 Alt Taunts!
* Gore Taunt and Bability Taunt!
- Added Custom Account Icons!
* Purchaseable in the store, upload an icon on the website!
- When downloading replays, the progress bar will now properly display a % sign
- Fixed not having recommended items when playing the same hero twice in a row if you failed to retrieve a guide
- You can now purchase stat resets and sub accounts in the store with Gold coins
- Store UI significantly changed
- Fixed an issue with stat resets that incorrectly reset some fields
- Servers now will try to upload old stats until they succeed
* This is backwards-impacting, which means any game in the last 90 days or so that has ever failed to upload stats will be uploaded and added
* Many of you will probably see old games show up in your stats and your stats will change quickly after this patch
* Example: If you played 10 games during the DDOS events, you probably never got wins/losses/MMR/stats for them. You will see them show up and your stats change for those 10 games over 24 hours after this patch.
- All Melee heroes now all have 128 Attack Range
- Non-lethal damage can no longer get credit for kills (For real)
- Increased the movespeed of some of the Neutrals under 300 Movespeed to 300
- Leash time all Neutrals lowered from 7 seconds to 5.25 seconds
- Caldavar has been changed
* Kongor area widened to make it more 'even', including a new Legion ramp in the area
* Vision blockers of Kongor's lair removed
In-game Shop changes
- Significantly changed the shop to be much more optimized and better overall
- There is now a default guide for when your connection to the Database decides to use the Failboat
- Outpost no longer contains a Pickled Brain
- Secret Shop removed
* Items that were purchasable in this shop are now purchasable in the main base
* Secret Shop renamed to Legendary Shop
- Secret Shop replaced with the Observatory
- Observatory contain 1 item: Wards of Sight
* Wards seen in the Observatory are shared with the ones in your main base in stock
- Nullfire level 1 back to a 12s cooldown
* Level 2 is still 20s
- Fix to giving Insanitarious to other players and it bugged out terribly (LOL)
- Added a new Alt Avatar for Ra
Blood Hunter Rework
- +15 Starting Movespeed (305 > 320)
- Blood Crazy duration nerfed from 6/9/12/15 to 6/7/8/9
- Blood Crazy damage to 20/s flat. Separated into a debuff and a buff, so that you can rid yourself of the negative element with a purge, or rid an enemy of the positive element with the purge
- Blood Sense now activates off allied heroes as well, but not self
- Hemorrhage changed to superior magic damage, damage values increased by 25%
Fayde
- Fixed the sound from Deep Shadows playing at ear-killing levels
Keeper rework
- Starting STR reduced to 25 from 27
- STR/level reduced to 3 from 3.4
- Camouflage
* Renamed to Nature's Veil
* Now gives BOTH Camouflage and old Nature's Protection effects (invises near trees and gives the armor/regen buff)
* Duration for both buffs changed to 10/20/30/40 seconds
* Nature's Protection component now gives a flat 4 Health Regeneration and 6/8/10/12 Armor
* Mana cost to a flat 60
* Cooldown to a flat 5 seconds
* 500 cast range
- Tree Sight
* Removed, replaced with Animate Forest
- Animate Forest
* 130 Mana cost, 30 second cooldown, 700 cast range
* Casts on target tree.
* Target tree and 1/2/3/4 nearby trees (takes closest to target, max search range of 500) are converted to Treants
* Treants have 500 Health, 2 Armor, and 325 Movespeed
* These trees last for 45 seconds
* These treants serve as "trees" for Nature's Veil, keeping people invisible around them
* These treants serve as "trees" for Entmoot, giving KotF charges of Attack Speed/Movement Speed
- Nature's Protection removed
- New Ability: Entmoot, passive self-buff
* Keeper of the Forest gains 3/6/9/12 Attack Speed and Movement Speed per nearby tree, up to 5 charges.
* Radius of 375
- Root
* Duration lowered from 3/4/5 to 2/3/4 seconds
* Cooldown lowered from 160 to 120/110/100
* Damage per second increased from 85 to 100
Silhouette
- Tree Grapple mana cost from 95/105/115/125 to 120 flat
- Relentless Salvo damage per stack from 6/9/12/15 to 3/6/9/12
- Shadow cooldown from 90/75/60 to 120/105/90 seconds
- Shadow duration from 30 to 15/25/35 seconds
- Shadow damage ratio from 33/66/100% to flat 66%
http://pastebin.com/fX7dzNb4 I like how s2 is fixing their bad patchfinding by giving melee heroes some extra rage. Already an alt avatar for Ra, wtf? I don't know, this sounds kind of... fake. Like no more secret shop, observatory, new Kongor position, melee being ranged, and shit like that just sounds so far fetched.
New kongor position has been talked about for awhile actually...pretty sure that's going in
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The secret shop changes seem a bit odd to me as I thought that one of the key elements of the mid to late game was knowing when your opponents want to use the ss and picking off people in places including there.
Having an observatory there would I guess do a similar thing, but not entirely sure how that would fit in.
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I just had an update from 2.0.33.0 to 2.0.35.0
Patch confirmed, my change_log.txt tells me
Version 2.0.34/35
"Think of it as two for the price of one!"
Cant log in now though
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change, I can't comment on it in any objective way, grrrr.
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I haven't been near the computer today yet, what happened? I didn't meet any patch (yet) and when I try to log in, it tells me "unknown error" 
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patch is up but the games still borked for the time being, new amun ra alt is awesome, alt couriers are siiiiick.
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you cant triple up neutrals anymore... I didn't even see that in the patch notes >.<
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
I'm having a huge bittervet moment that I have never had before with dota/hon. :/ Wish they had just made it a 'Forest v2' map and let us pick between the new/original versions.
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What would make you think that you cant triple up neutrals anymore? I assume you mean the creep leash time makes it more difficult to triple stack, although its still possible with boots/tablet or pk?
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because I just spent an hour testing it and you can't triple up any singular neutral camp. you can stack 3 camps at once with items, that's easy, but you literally cannot triple up a single camp.
the new leash time makes triple pulling legion jungle without items or magic as far as im aware not possible (I couldnt do it with post haste) the new timing for pulling is :52 though you can probably get away with more on some creeps/camps. hellbourne weak double is still doable aslong as it isn't the damn healer easy camp (at night, not sure if range attack times is too much)
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probably not intended since its not in patch notes, happened 2 times before, last time in february. Hopefully theyll fix it with a hotfix in the next few hours.
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keeper of the forest is such a beastly pusher now w/ abyssal :D
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I'd prefer if this stupid game actually functioned over getting new patches with 3000 coin alt avatars. The word "patch" is a misnomer as it connotes some sort of fix. It would be more accurate to call 95% of the "patches" that S2 does "content patches" because most of the time the only things they contain are more items for the shop and occasionally small changes to heros.
During the first week of the DDOS's I was on S2's "side." I felt that they were doing what they could and that their communication lapses and seeming inability to convey information was a one time occurrence.
After three weeks or more of this and HON not once having 100% functionality I've come to the opposite conclusion. It seems S2 is only interested in pushing out as many useless content patches as possible to milk the community. I've never been one of the Dota 2 doomsayers and I still am not, but it seems that S2 themselves are; every move they make seems to smack of haste and a desire to get as much out of the community as possible before the game's demise.
It's very hard to believe in the integrity of a company like S2 when their communication sucks, many of their employees are very young or immature, and there are tons of well-known problems with their employees handing out favors, being rude, changing stats, deleting games (these problems are very well-known amongst the forum-visiting community). Maliken is also more well-known for calling people n.iggers and f.aggots than he is for anything else.
S2 really is a piece of shit company, and it's run by a piece of shit human being.
Here's an interview with Maliken if you want to see what the kind of person who yells NIGGER FAGGOT a hundred times per game and wants "faggoty/queer" alt announcers in the game looks like.
http://honcast.com/video/2011/06/09/interview-with-ceo-of-s2-games-mark-deforest
http://gaygamer.net/2010/12/heroes_of_newerth_flamboyant_a.html
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the new neutral leash time is 5.25 seconds (old was 7), which means that you have to start stacking later to get the optimal distance, not earlier. people say to pull at :53 because it means creeps will start returning exactly when the new spawn is, giving you the maximum possible distance for the stack as a fail-safe. the optimal time to pull now is simply :55 and you have more trouble stacking camps, but it also eliminates some problems like pulling ancients, midlane pulling, double pulling or pulling+stacking at the same time for the most part.
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i understand S2 has been fucking up lately and is, needless to say, incompetent in managing their systems but i think the community in general is being a little too harsh on them.
lets give them some breathing room. seems to me like they're really trying to get things fixed
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00:54 [All] (MYM|DeMoN) shoutout to that lil nigga trung
01:10 [All] (MYM|DeMoN) And also Mushi sucks
01:15 [All] (|cFFFF0000RGC) Mith-Tr.iix-: 29ms
01:16 [All] (MYM|DeMoN) fear also say you veri newb
01:18 [All] (|cFFFF0000RGC) Setting game latency to 40 ms.
01:30 [All] (Mushi-) u not shame u always lose to newb?
01:36 [All] (MYM|DeMoN) we see this game
01:41 [All] (MYM|DeMoN) i show u 200%
01:42 [All] (MYM|DeMoN) PWOER
01:43 [All] (MYM|DeMoN) POWER
01:44 [All] (Mushi-) okok 54:46 [All] (Mushi-) 200power demon 54:50 [All] (MYM|DeMoN) 54:55 [All] (MYM|DeMoN) sometime just cannot win
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays/48077
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO SILHOUETTE NERFED
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