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On June 08 2011 11:27 don_kyuhote wrote:Omgirok and his gang are on a cruise to Mexico or something.
drug smuggling etc.
On June 08 2011 18:24 GhostKorean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 18:07 Alur wrote:On June 07 2011 06:04 GhostKorean wrote:
I've heard about it but is it any good? Sounds like it requires too much teamwork to get any enjoyment out of it Not really, depending on your definition of the word, I find that it's more about players performing well individually. But I do get alot of enjoyment out of it regardless, whether I'm playing solo or with a team. The only downside for you is going to be the almost non-existent NA scene, so you'll most likely be playing with EU ping if you don't play at very specific times. Bottom line is that trying out the game won't hurt anyone =). On June 07 2011 06:13 Ethenielle wrote:
Same as HoN really.. its fun solo up to a certain point and then youll just get annoyed at how bad your teammates are. Great fun until that point tho, and if you have teammates then go for it :o I don't understand why this "everyone but me is bad" attitude is so prevalent, I've played a whole bunch of SMM in BLC - yes you're going to have unlucky matches in terms of teams. But on average you will carry games below your skill, until you're playing quality matches. I've been playing some old N64, GC, and PS2 games that I haven't touched in 5-10 years and it's been great. It's probably gonna last me all summer so I'm good 
no snes?
fucking kids these days dont know their roots
hey lets play netplay dawg
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I was like 5 when N64 came out yo
i heard about netplay, cant you play SSBM over that? I'll be down to play but I'm terrible :D
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pretty sure that attitude is prevalent in the age bracket of a large chunk of the players anyway; to simply localise the problem to hon is a bit presumptuous
There's actually been a ton of research done on that. It's the concept of "illusory superiority". The end result was that they found that stupid people tend to overestimate their own competency in many areas.
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which probably has a bias relative to the experience of the people involved, where developed young adults are cockier than downtrodden losers :p (but yes it is by absolutely no means age specific  )
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On June 08 2011 16:53 xZiGGY wrote:
50 games isnt enough! grind 500 and come back to me! :O
otherwise learn how to farm like a boss since that has win potential all over the place :x
What exactly does good farming constitute? Just a good sense of lasthitting and denying, or does the responsibility of setting up neutral stacks also fall on the farmer instead of a support?
On June 08 2011 16:56 Heen wrote:
What MMR range are you playing in?
I don't think full support is something I would recommend to everyone as his first role... playing a good support is harder than most people give credit for. Supports play just that: 'support' for the rest of your team so if you don't have a good understanding of where/when you need to ward/be. One reason why the worst players on the team are asked to play ward bitch is because you have to be really bad to single handedly lose the game with this role. Which means it's hard to pick up on the details of your mistakes as you're trying to get better at it.
You should just play all roles if possible but from my experience of watching ppl try to improve, easiest to get decently good with are: semi-carry (farm until you expect a fight then you go cleanup), tanky or hard to kill carries, support, solo'd initiators (tundra, bubbles etc), specialty carries (doctor repulsor, soulstealer etc.), then support initiators (magmus) in that order
I'm sitting at 1421 MMR right now.
The lowest I had dipped was like 1220 - I lost the first ten or so games I ever played straight out, and then I was just playing Witch Slayer. I -knew- that I wasn't taking advantage of the ability to gank when I was playing him. After a certain point I had switched over to Plague Rider - after I switched, people seemed to take advantage of the opportunities I created more readily, I was manastarved less often, and I felt more effective in teamfights between the armor buff and the ridiculous ult.
I get what you're saying about picking up on where I'm going wrong. The one thing that's stuck out is that with certain teams, I'm sometimes left scratching my head at their decisions and I get caught out of position or overextended because I had expected everyone to do something else. I'm trying to work on being more observant of my team, rather than the enemy, at the moment.
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it's about optimising your income in any applicable situation :p, if you want to improve no one will be able to help you the same way you can help yourself. You'll probably want to be hitting atleast 400 gpm in every game you win as a carry though, if your team is carry stacked then that's going to be fun zzzz.
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Getting last hitting down to a fine art so you are never missing creeps. Having the game knowledge to know when you should sit and rice and when you should help your team in fights. Having the map awareness to be able to find opportunities to freefarm without being ganked. But yeah just optimizing your income so you are getting most gold out of any situation without falling behind on anything else.
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uguuuu, that seems really nebulous ~____~. in that case, if the rest of my team randoms in such a way that a carry of some kind would fit, I'mma give it a shot... Flint or Corrupted Disciple~. :D
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I never said learn to carry, I just said learn to farm like a boss ;o
I'm not even telling you to learn how to win games, just how to make money when there's money to be made and to know how to do that, since ultimately that is very fundamental.
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On June 08 2011 18:55 maahes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 16:53 xZiGGY wrote:
50 games isnt enough! grind 500 and come back to me! :O
otherwise learn how to farm like a boss since that has win potential all over the place :x What exactly does good farming constitute? Just a good sense of lasthitting and denying, or does the responsibility of setting up neutral stacks also fall on the farmer instead of a support? Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 16:56 Heen wrote:
What MMR range are you playing in?
I don't think full support is something I would recommend to everyone as his first role... playing a good support is harder than most people give credit for. Supports play just that: 'support' for the rest of your team so if you don't have a good understanding of where/when you need to ward/be. One reason why the worst players on the team are asked to play ward bitch is because you have to be really bad to single handedly lose the game with this role. Which means it's hard to pick up on the details of your mistakes as you're trying to get better at it.
You should just play all roles if possible but from my experience of watching ppl try to improve, easiest to get decently good with are: semi-carry (farm until you expect a fight then you go cleanup), tanky or hard to kill carries, support, solo'd initiators (tundra, bubbles etc), specialty carries (doctor repulsor, soulstealer etc.), then support initiators (magmus) in that order I'm sitting at 1421 MMR right now. The lowest I had dipped was like 1220 - I lost the first ten or so games I ever played straight out, and then I was just playing Witch Slayer. I -knew- that I wasn't taking advantage of the ability to gank when I was playing him. After a certain point I had switched over to Plague Rider - after I switched, people seemed to take advantage of the opportunities I created more readily, I was manastarved less often, and I felt more effective in teamfights between the armor buff and the ridiculous ult. I get what you're saying about picking up on where I'm going wrong. The one thing that's stuck out is that with certain teams, I'm sometimes left scratching my head at their decisions and I get caught out of position or overextended because I had expected everyone to do something else. I'm trying to work on being more observant of my team, rather than the enemy, at the moment.
If you're playing in the 1400's, you should feel free to play all roles instead of focusing one at a time. I'd imagine 1400s wouldn't be very rewarding. I've smurfed on 1500s account on the free account week and people died and argued over the stupidest things.
Anyway, plague rider might be a good choice for someone who's new to this genre of games but if you're looking to improve, it's not highly recommended. It's a very reactive hero and at higher lvls all you do is mostly hide in trees and wait for the other team to take the bait.
Try some active ganking heroes like deadwood, tundra, bubbles. If you learn to be good with them, you can climb the ladder easily unlike ward support which isn't even needed in 1400s, no offense.
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On June 08 2011 19:30 xZiGGY wrote:
I never said learn to carry, I just said learn to farm like a boss ;o
I'm not even telling you to learn how to win games, just how to make money when there's money to be made and to know how to do that, since ultimately that is very fundamental.
aaaaah, point taken. I'll keep this in mind. ^___^
On June 08 2011 19:31 Heen wrote:
If you're playing in the 1400's, you should feel free to play all roles instead of focusing one at a time. I'd imagine 1400s wouldn't be very rewarding. I've smurfed on 1500s account on the free account week and people died and argued over the stupidest things.
Anyway, plague rider might be a good choice for someone who's new to this genre of games but if you're looking to improve, it's not highly recommended. It's a very reactive hero and at higher lvls all you do is mostly hide in trees and wait for the other team to take the bait.
Try some active ganking heroes like deadwood, tundra, bubbles. If you learn to be good with them, you can climb the ladder easily unlike ward support which isn't even needed in 1400s, no offense.
No offense taken, you're totally right. I can't tell you how many times I've had a full set of wards up and had people complain we needed more. -_- Few of my games were really enjoyable as a whole, I tend to pick one or two pleasant moments and wrap up the memory of a game as one or two good personal plays.
I'll give the heroes you mentioned a try.
Thanks, guys. :D:D
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My advice (which I know not everyone agrees with) for those trying to improve is play 1v1s with a friend to build confidence and understanding of the laning phase. No stats, 5mins games, same lane. After a kill or two when the game starts snowballing for the better player restart the game and try to stick with them for longer. I guarantee after an hour or two of this you will have improved immensely. Hit me up online if you want to practice against someone, my name is AndyJay and I play mainly Aussie times.
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Another newbie question. I've been just playing random for the last 20 games or so, just looking to get familiar with all the heros and their abilities, while getting a money head start....but I've been wondering if I should just focus on one hero at a time until I am really good with several. So far my favorite heros are Maliken, Dr. Repulsor, and polliwog, but I still don't know them that well. Maliken is such a tanking beast though. If you get a level advantage plus the proper items, you can literally 1 v 5 an an entire team as long as you don't get stunned or ulti'ed bursted down.
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It's up to you what to play, but I think having a good understanding of every hero in the game is fundamental to being a solid player, and the only way to do that is to play every hero. The only time randoming is really frowned upon is when they screw your lanes. Examples would be randoming a melee after you already have 3 melee or a jungle hero after you already have one (Wild Soul after you have a Tempest - although both of these are excellent laners people will probably QQ all game if they don't get to jungle).
If you're randoming, most of the time you should probably use your extra gold on courier/ward, just because it's bad to rely on it and it really helps out the team.
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On June 08 2011 20:47 Sm3agol wrote:
Another newbie question. I've been just playing random for the last 20 games or so, just looking to get familiar with all the heros and their abilities, while getting a money head start....but I've been wondering if I should just focus on one hero at a time until I am really good with several. So far my favorite heros are Maliken, Dr. Repulsor, and polliwog, but I still don't know them that well. Maliken is such a tanking beast though. If you get a level advantage plus the proper items, you can literally 1 v 5 an an entire team as long as you don't get stunned or ulti'ed bursted down.
I'm playing only dota but I'm pretty sure this applies to hon aswell:
Just play whatever is fun for you at the start cause you'll get so much better from just playing - even more than in Starcraft. That's cause there is so much decision making on the spot. You just have to know the right move in an instant. You can learn how to play with/against different heroes in theory but decision making comes through playing as much as you can.
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dont worry about winning, dont worry about picks until you start to get a basic understanding of the game; your mmr might plummet but that'll just mean the games balance out for you all the more easily. I personally played a ton of no stats games to learn the hero basics and training clan inhouses for game basics (though tbh neither are too informative, selflearning is much more beneficial).
As for playing support, I find this to be crucial in the scrubby games I play, I do enjoy my stacks + counterwards etc, if I can play with a coupla people I know then a good support is a must. But a lot of things are a must in pub games so don't read into that that's just me ranting.
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You shouldn'nt focus on any hero at all, remember you will learn the strengths and most important the weaknesses of the hero as you play each and every one of them
Then if you face them in a game/lane you know exactly how much damage they roughly do, how much mana they need for abilities, and will have an internal clock(takes time) for their cds.
Simply put, play everyone, its also alot of fun experiencing each hero.
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When I first started playing dota I played 1~3 games with each hero just to figure out what their skills did, and I think it helped a lot, especially since I would generally read over a guide beforehand. Obviously you can learn their skills by watching them ingame or reading up on them, but it's way easier and way more fun to just play each hero a couple of times.
I really recommend looking up a guide for a hero, then try running through a game or two with it. Some guides are inaccurate or outdated, but you can figure that out after you get over the "what is that and what does it do" hurdle. You might want to skip junglers (and maybe blood hunter) though, jungling is a nightmare if you're not sure what you're doing lol
When you get to the point where you have a general idea of what everything does, all you want to do is practice mechanics. Go into games looking to get better at lasthitting, positioning in lane, warding, etc, and you should notice some improvement after a couple matches.
Eventually as you get better you can also learn from watching others (either by playing a lot of pubs or by watching replays/vods), but in general practicing mechanics should make you better at everything.
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On June 08 2011 19:20 maahes wrote:
uguuuu, that seems really nebulous ~____~. in that case, if the rest of my team randoms in such a way that a carry of some kind would fit, I'mma give it a shot... Flint or Corrupted Disciple~. :D
imo animation wise CD is great though flint has a freakin epic animation his base damage is absolute garbage only one above the lowest in the game (ss) so actually lasthitting with him when you're new is kinda problematic ;O
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On June 09 2011 04:54 Nub4ever wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 19:20 maahes wrote:
uguuuu, that seems really nebulous ~____~. in that case, if the rest of my team randoms in such a way that a carry of some kind would fit, I'mma give it a shot... Flint or Corrupted Disciple~. :D imo animation wise CD is great though flint has a freakin epic animation his base damage is absolute garbage only one above the lowest in the game (ss) so actually lasthitting with him when you're new is kinda problematic ;O
Flint's animation is too good lol. Whenever I play him I'm so used to champions with mediocre animations that I always end up hitting too early (especially given his low dmg).
I'd say CD > flint because the farming is easier early on and you're sure to at least get off your AoE nuke to help the team out even if you otherwise suck.
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