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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
May 24 2011 10:42 GMT
#26121
On May 24 2011 19:28 Naib wrote:
So, now that free play is over I've decided to purchase this game.

Problem is, online payments have really 0 culture in Hungary, and to top that off, my father is extremely suspicious about them too (well, I can agree with him - with the recent hacks that happened to Sony for example, I'd definitely just use a different credit card, not the one I use daily - if I even had one ).

With that said, is there any other way to purchase this game, some form of retail payment maybe? It's not the monetary factor, 30$ is not that much I'd say...

I'm even willing to swap with someone who didn't try SC2 / wants another account (not that I'd find that many on a SC / SC2 forum lol I haven't used it for the last 6 months, so it's fresh after the ladder reset if anyone is interested in the Euro ladder).

Any kind of help is appreciated.

I thought HoN accepted Paypal? Not sure. Dunno if that's more acceptable to you than credit card.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4952 Posts
May 24 2011 10:45 GMT
#26122
On May 24 2011 19:42 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 19:28 Naib wrote:
So, now that free play is over I've decided to purchase this game.

Problem is, online payments have really 0 culture in Hungary, and to top that off, my father is extremely suspicious about them too (well, I can agree with him - with the recent hacks that happened to Sony for example, I'd definitely just use a different credit card, not the one I use daily - if I even had one ).

With that said, is there any other way to purchase this game, some form of retail payment maybe? It's not the monetary factor, 30$ is not that much I'd say...

I'm even willing to swap with someone who didn't try SC2 / wants another account (not that I'd find that many on a SC / SC2 forum lol I haven't used it for the last 6 months, so it's fresh after the ladder reset if anyone is interested in the Euro ladder).

Any kind of help is appreciated.

I thought HoN accepted Paypal? Not sure. Dunno if that's more acceptable to you than credit card.


Somewhat, although the problem I'd face is kind of similar: still have to get some moneyz on that PayPal
Complete the cycle!
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
May 24 2011 11:49 GMT
#26123
give $30 to a friend who can buy it for you?
Gulf
Profile Joined May 2010
Scotland213 Posts
May 24 2011 13:37 GMT
#26124
hrmm after that game didn't work i tried relogging and now i cant log in....(Iamstu btw)
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
May 24 2011 16:37 GMT
#26125
On May 24 2011 15:40 rabidch wrote:
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On May 24 2011 15:38 GhostKorean wrote:
On May 24 2011 14:45 Gummy wrote:
On May 24 2011 13:15 GhostKorean wrote:
You also can't blame bad team mates because the other team is just as likely to get bad team mates so assuming that you are better than everyone else the chance of you getting someone bad is 1/4 and the chance they have a bad team mate is 1/5

So in this case with the 1/5 up and 1/4 down, your random walk has a positive expected value if you're better than your current MMR. What I meant in my previous post about variance can be seen in the following:

If you win every single game, the time it takes you to get to net X victories is X games. If every game is chiefly controlled by a 4/9 chance of a feeder being on your team and a 5/9 chance of a feeder being on the other team, the net expectation for the game is that you gain 1/9 net victories per game. To get those net X victories, you need to play 9X games. That's what I mean by my assertion that hellholes do exist at lower levels. It takes longer to get your MMR up because the controlling factor is the presence of a griefer as opposed to how good you are (I have won a game solo when a devourer on our team fed the opponent's magebane 25 times on purpose, while throwing grief hooks everywhere to save the other team, but only that one time. Usually somebody just dc's as a result of the griefing).

To make this example a little more concrete, let's assume it takes a net 5 victories to get your MMR from 1200 to 1300. If the controlling factor is the presence of a griefer, then even assuming you're better than your current MMR, this 100 point gap will take you 45 games. And when almost half of your games end up with a griefer/feeder/troll/first-time-on-character/no-ward-scout it does start to feel like hell.

You are assuming two things: 1. There will be exactly one griefer/feeder in every game and 2. The side with less feeders win every game. You are also forgetting about the skill difference between the two teams and most importantly, luck with what heroes your teammates feel like playing that game. Sorry for my bad explanation with the 1/4 1/5 I meant it as a specific example of one scenario

Hey, it's not so unreasonable, I think the same things when I play DotA with you.

That was dirty, man. But yeah. Those are the assumptions, but even if you have a 50% win-rate when you have a huge griefer on your team, you still have to almost double the number of games.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
xZiGGY
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom801 Posts
May 24 2011 17:25 GMT
#26126
I'm ashamed to admit whenever people talk about mmr I am vaguely reminded of that song from the sound of music, that film had nazis in it. :O Naib - just speak to your dad about it, mention pay pal, your dad will sort you out. Worst case scenario you give $30 to a friend and get him to buy it for you and then you don't have any internet risk factors (though paypal is good).
Meh.
buckbo1604
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada186 Posts
May 24 2011 18:41 GMT
#26127
On May 24 2011 19:45 Naib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 19:42 Pokebunny wrote:
On May 24 2011 19:28 Naib wrote:
So, now that free play is over I've decided to purchase this game.

Problem is, online payments have really 0 culture in Hungary, and to top that off, my father is extremely suspicious about them too (well, I can agree with him - with the recent hacks that happened to Sony for example, I'd definitely just use a different credit card, not the one I use daily - if I even had one ).

With that said, is there any other way to purchase this game, some form of retail payment maybe? It's not the monetary factor, 30$ is not that much I'd say...

I'm even willing to swap with someone who didn't try SC2 / wants another account (not that I'd find that many on a SC / SC2 forum lol I haven't used it for the last 6 months, so it's fresh after the ladder reset if anyone is interested in the Euro ladder).

Any kind of help is appreciated.

I thought HoN accepted Paypal? Not sure. Dunno if that's more acceptable to you than credit card.


Somewhat, although the problem I'd face is kind of similar: still have to get some moneyz on that PayPal



If you really want, I have an extra account. I wont be using it anymore plus it has couple hundred coins just sitting there.

Hit me up and ill send you the info.
meiyo
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway81 Posts
May 24 2011 18:47 GMT
#26128
Fucking hon getting DDosed again by some fucking nerds/valve
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 19:32:25
May 24 2011 19:32 GMT
#26129
Down again/still >:{
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Trizz
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1323 Posts
May 24 2011 20:20 GMT
#26130
Damn I wanted to play >.<
nope
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 20:22:46
May 24 2011 20:22 GMT
#26131
On May 24 2011 15:14 Gummy wrote:
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On May 24 2011 15:02 Dacendoran wrote:
Why would you get vanguard on hammer, I dont get it he has no lack of armor or HP.

But even more hp and damage reduction never hurts. Unless you're martyr and are trying to land the killing blow with Q.

The reason it's really weird is that a lot of people skip cleave for stats. So you already have a pretty absurd str gain with stats.... it's not uncommon to see a 1.5k hp hammer with just treads at level 12-14, and pk/blink dagger is so much better than vanguard as far as utility.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
May 24 2011 20:42 GMT
#26132
On May 25 2011 05:22 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 15:14 Gummy wrote:
On May 24 2011 15:02 Dacendoran wrote:
Why would you get vanguard on hammer, I dont get it he has no lack of armor or HP.

But even more hp and damage reduction never hurts. Unless you're martyr and are trying to land the killing blow with Q.

The reason it's really weird is that a lot of people skip cleave for stats. So you already have a pretty absurd str gain with stats.... it's not uncommon to see a 1.5k hp hammer with just treads at level 12-14, and pk/blink dagger is so much better than vanguard as far as utility.

Yeah, completely agreed. Blink is waaaaaay better.
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Xizy
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden5 Posts
May 24 2011 20:47 GMT
#26133
Does the matchmaking system not work for others often? Or are there just few around our mmr( 1600 )
>.>
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
May 24 2011 21:07 GMT
#26134
On May 25 2011 05:47 Xizy wrote:
Does the matchmaking system not work for others often? Or are there just few around our mmr( 1600 )


the server is under attack right now so nothing is working
Vain
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands1115 Posts
May 24 2011 21:08 GMT
#26135
On May 25 2011 05:47 Xizy wrote:
Does the matchmaking system not work for others often? Or are there just few around our mmr( 1600 )


Servers are DDosed now. Apart from that i don't have much trouble finding games when everything runs smoothly
Battle.net 2.0 is a waiter and he's a dick
Scheefe
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands226 Posts
May 24 2011 21:54 GMT
#26136
God these DDoS attacks are getting on my nerves! Just give them the damn flag lol.
I want to play so baaad T_T
Your hero is standing at a bad posistion and deserved to die.
Gulf
Profile Joined May 2010
Scotland213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 22:31:23
May 24 2011 22:30 GMT
#26137
yeah sucks i had 2 days off work, today and tomorrow, had to pick which one to spend gaming and which to spend with my gf...I was meant to game today
ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
May 24 2011 23:03 GMT
#26138
I've been forced to play sc2 and i've been getting crushed...

booooo

i just want to drink and hon
Don't believe the florist when he tells you that the roses are free
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
May 24 2011 23:13 GMT
#26139
S2 should give is some coins or something for this :O
Dota 3hard5me
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 23:14:39
May 24 2011 23:13 GMT
#26140
i can't even login.

i'm playing lol now. s2, look at what you're doing. ((
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