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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
May 23 2011 21:21 GMT
#26081
Gotta dominate bloodseeker at lvl 1 yo
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
May 23 2011 21:26 GMT
#26082
On May 23 2011 19:17 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 18:10 woob wrote:
The thing is with HoN, is that unless you're playing in a group of 3 or more people, you can and will lose soo much psr because of the team you get. Like, my psr on my sub account is 1200, yet the the k/d is around 2. And its not even like i codex my kills, i ward, i babysit a lot i just seem to do decent k/d wise. But i lose so many games if im not playing with my clan, it sucks, really

If you're a legitimate let's say 1700, you would never fluctuate to the extreme degrees that you're describing. When you're significantly better than the people you play with/agaisnt, you will win a majority of your games - end of story.

This is actually true believe it or not sometimes I'm on my smurf literally trying to lose games because it's mmr is too high and I still end up winning
Rakanishu2
Profile Joined May 2009
United States475 Posts
May 23 2011 21:36 GMT
#26083
On May 24 2011 04:27 LordWeird wrote:
I'd say 90%+ with hatchet/shield isn't stretching it. BH has the best 1v1 in the game maybe barring Succubus. He can out-heal virtually any form of harass. I'm really really bad though so maybe my observations are incorrect.



Slither beats him, even with the toxicity nerf. Just keep smacking him, the regeneration debuff is nasty when he only has level 1-2 feast. When you get him to half health, spray and chase him with toxicity.

Other melees do really well against him too, you just out-last hit him. Pebbs/Gaunt/Moraxx mid can beat him in farm, and then gank lanes.

He does lay a hurt on alot of heros though. The thing is, his mid-game is nothing compared to pebbs and company, and his late is pretty bad too. You need points in feast for him to be awesome, and you need points in his other skills to gank effectively...

He needs a buff IMO. Most likely something to make feast worth having beyond the laning phase.
10 G's in the packet and I'm ready to roll, on fire like a rocket and I'm ready to blow
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 21:51:42
May 23 2011 21:48 GMT
#26084
On May 24 2011 03:24 XeliN wrote:
Well Ganfei your skill level is higher than mine so im inclined to believe your right even if my own experience of the two heroes doesn't correlate.

One thing i do disagree strongly with is the notion that a BH, between 2 equally skilled players, will get 95% of the creeps and denies.

This to me simply seems not true, and even 70% would seem too much although, like i say this is also only from my experience.

Seems abit superfluous to add "from my experience" nothing we think, say, believe or assert is anything beyond our experience but meh..

Also seems abit superfluous to write this sentence about the last....

Also see......... :O


95% may be hyperbole but it was to make a point. Also saying "from my experience" is an expression that means that I could be wrong based on my purely anecdotal evidence. That's why we have varying levels of believability based on a number of things including credentials. I wouldn't believe an armchair anthropologist but I would believe a field anthropologist using the expression.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
May 23 2011 22:08 GMT
#26085
On May 24 2011 06:18 Ack1027 wrote:
rpf 2.1 amirite


We seriously need monthly awards LOL

Let's think of some!

Thread Positive
The Testie Award -- For being the leader in playtime
The Rabid Award -- For being very active in the thread
The JudiAck Award -- For contributing large, helpful posts
The Nitrogen Award -- For contributing humorous pictures/videos
The ??? Award -- For being consistently helpful with useful advice

Thread Negative
The LMNOP Award -- For shitting up the thread
The RPF Award -- For constantly asking senseless questions
The Zulu Award -- For being exceptionally bad in general
The Sexu Award -- For being a notable ban
Hates Fun🤔
xZiGGY
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom801 Posts
May 23 2011 22:36 GMT
#26086
no hunter award? :|
Meh.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
May 23 2011 22:41 GMT
#26087
What's that!
Hates Fun🤔
woob
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1322 Posts
May 24 2011 00:15 GMT
#26088
i just went 45-4 with pebbles. holy check that was fun, ive never known a team to take so many deaths without ragequitting/conceding. ^_^
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ez
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 24 2011 00:23 GMT
#26089
On May 24 2011 07:08 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 06:18 Ack1027 wrote:
rpf 2.1 amirite


We seriously need monthly awards LOL

Let's think of some!

Thread Positive
The Testie Award -- For being the leader in playtime
The Rabid Award -- For being very active in the thread
The JudiAck Award -- For contributing large, helpful posts
The Nitrogen Award -- For contributing humorous pictures/videos
The ??? Award -- For being consistently helpful with useful advice

Thread Negative
The LMNOP Award -- For shitting up the thread
The RPF Award -- For constantly asking senseless questions
The Zulu Award -- For being exceptionally bad in general
The Sexu Award -- For being a notable ban

The ??? Award -- For being consistently helpful with useful advice
Alventenie? He's like the only guy who's done it within the last I don't know 700 pages.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
May 24 2011 01:03 GMT
#26090
Yeah easily alv, although that overlaps with me and judi's award. You could also have a Heen thread celebrity or analysis award ;D

Seriously though ryu, after all that bitterness that judi laid on you he gets a thread positive award? LOL

Didn't bly get pretty good after a rocky chinese pubber aura start or am I remembering things wrong?
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
May 24 2011 01:39 GMT
#26091
On May 24 2011 10:03 Ack1027 wrote:
Yeah easily alv, although that overlaps with me and judi's award. You could also have a Heen thread celebrity or analysis award ;D

Seriously though ryu, after all that bitterness that judi laid on you he gets a thread positive award? LOL

Didn't bly get pretty good after a rocky chinese pubber aura start or am I remembering things wrong?


The child support money he owes keeps him from retaliating.
Get it by your hands...
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
May 24 2011 01:41 GMT
#26092
On May 24 2011 07:08 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 06:18 Ack1027 wrote:
rpf 2.1 amirite


We seriously need monthly awards LOL

Let's think of some!

Thread Positive
The Testie Award -- For being the leader in playtime
The Rabid Award -- For being very active in the thread
The JudiAck Award -- For contributing large, helpful posts
The Nitrogen Award -- For contributing humorous pictures/videos
The ??? Award -- For being consistently helpful with useful advice

Thread Negative
The LMNOP Award -- For shitting up the thread
The RPF Award -- For constantly asking senseless questions
The Zulu Award -- For being exceptionally bad in general
The Sexu Award -- For being a notable ban

Travitus award -- For posting once in the thread
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Khelz
Profile Joined August 2010
106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 02:33:40
May 24 2011 02:32 GMT
#26093
Inc Rage:

+ Show Spoiler +
I just don't understand how people can be so miserably bad at a video game.

I just recently started playing HoN but came in with some DoTA/LoL knowledge but fuck me I can't catch a break. Every game I'm in I get at least two retards who don't know the first fucking thing of what they're doing usually going like 1/7/0 and then leaving the game. To add to this the free week gave me the great opportunity of getting a Bubbles and SB that continually ran mid giving Deadwood 66 kills and me a leave and 11 deaths from fountain in the process.

Anyone have any suggestion on a champion or strat that stomps to and through 1500MMR? Playing with people who don't know how to aim ults, know what to build or how to right-click is getting to me. Fuck.


*Meditates*

Have a great day!
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 02:48:41
May 24 2011 02:36 GMT
#26094
Find people to play with. Like really, match making as nice as it is in the right direction still fails miserably compared to a well-run in-house league, I really don't know why S2 can't implement a GUI for IHL management and graft it into their chat/lobby system.

Edit:

Just to put it into perspective for those of you who don't know, the best places to find PUGs for the semi-competitive and competitive are still on IRC for DotA despite the leaps and bounds that IHLs have undergone since the first IHCS, which is kind of sad.

Edit 2:

This is also why I find the MM system and stats system horrid for these kind of games. Pairing up 10 semi-random people together in a 5v5 is akin to chopping your own dick off when just 1 person can swing the game dramatically. That makes it extremely difficult for newbies to get into it.

And if you are expecting the "coaching" system to help for Dota 2...just think of people like me raging at you, telling you what to do, but doing so intensely? And that's coming from people who actually know what to do, but instead getting paired up with a coach that's like one of the billion "skilled" DotA players from NA with some of the shittiest manners? Yeah.
Get it by your hands...
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 02:38:19
May 24 2011 02:37 GMT
#26095
On May 24 2011 11:36 Judicator wrote:
Find people to play with. Like really, match making as nice as it is in the right direction still fails miserably compared to a well-run in-house league, I really don't know why S2 can't implement a GUI for IHL management and graft it into their chat/lobby system.

ya basically this. even one reliable ally makes a huge difference
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Khelz
Profile Joined August 2010
106 Posts
May 24 2011 02:50 GMT
#26096
It's just so aggravating being the one of the maybe 3 competent people on the team. Even then all it takes is those two ''how to get R?!?'' to fuck it up for everyone else. I know games would be much more enjoyable if I could only get out of this god forsaken hellhole of an MMR range. At this point I may just quit entirely and go find something less reliant on others...return of SC2 maybe?

But that makes me mad again, I really enjoy DoTA games but some of these players....just....wow.
Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. Gonna stop clouding up the forum with random bitching now.
Good luck in whatever game you're in atm ! ;D
Have a great day!
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
May 24 2011 02:52 GMT
#26097
Do any of you have some zulu quotes/pics?
Stuck.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
May 24 2011 02:52 GMT
#26098
mmr works, if you can't get out of a certain mmr range (given an adequate number of games), you belong there, that's all
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 24 2011 02:53 GMT
#26099
On May 24 2011 11:36 Judicator wrote:
Find people to play with. Like really, match making as nice as it is in the right direction still fails miserably compared to a well-run in-house league, I really don't know why S2 can't implement a GUI for IHL management and graft it into their chat/lobby system.

Edit:

Just to put it into perspective for those of you who don't know, the best places to find PUGs for the semi-competitive and competitive are still on IRC for DotA despite the leaps and bounds that IHLs have undergone since the first IHCS, which is kind of sad.

Edit 2:

This is also why I find the MM system and stats system horrid for these kind of games. Pairing up 10 semi-random people together in a 5v5 is akin to chopping your own dick off when just 1 person can swing the game dramatically. That makes it extremely difficult for newbies to get into it.

And if you are expecting the "coaching" system to help for Dota 2...just think of people like me raging at you, telling you what to do, but doing so intensely? And that's coming from people who actually know what to do, but instead getting paired up with a coach that's like one of the billion "skilled" DotA players from NA with some of the shittiest manners? Yeah.

gee judicator, why do you think quakenet went up?????????????????
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Khelz
Profile Joined August 2010
106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 02:57:48
May 24 2011 02:56 GMT
#26100
On May 24 2011 11:52 JeeJee wrote:
mmr works, if you can't get out of a certain mmr range (given an adequate number of games), you belong there, that's all


Yeah, looking now I am only 21 games in but it feels like I've played 100 at this point.

I'm warding, farming pretty well, getting kills and it all counts for nothing when top is 0/11 combined and practically suiciding followed by the whole ''this game is stupid'' leaving. So aggravating.
Have a great day!
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