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On September 03 2024 15:57 evilfatsh1t wrote:
looks interesting and i expect it will get some traction from players that enjoy both genres. unfortunately it seems aim is the underlying fundamental skill and without it youre going to be a pretty poor player no matter how good you are strategically. personally i wouldnt touch it because as much as i loved dota and was very good at it, i dont want my skill to be limited by my aim. in that sense it seems to be a harder game and i can understand why there might be concerns that the game is too niche or 'tryhard'. not many players are going to be very good at both moba and fps games
Aiming really isn't that important. The last-hitting/denying mechanic has you shoot a massive orb, and you know when it's coming so you can just pre-fire at it.
In team fights, your abilities and items will determine who wins, not so much your aiming.
I've always been terrible at games like CS and I find myself doing quite well in Deadlock.
e: what's probably more important than aiming is movement. You can dash, dash into slide, dash into jump into slide, wall jump, double jump, etc.
And there are various items that give you even more movement options, either through adding stamina bars or simply allowing triple jump/double dash in the air etc.
Watching a pro game, the biggest difference with my current play is their amazing movement, that'll be the skill to learn, and also something completely absent in Dota.
Perhaps my biggest struggle is that I have 4 hotkeys for abilities, 4 hotkeys for items, and then like 10 extra hotkeys for the movement/shooter aspect, which is a lot more hotkeys to manage than Dota.
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Northern Ireland26604 Posts
This looks really promising, alas I have no key!
Few questions for you folks!
1. How does it perform on more modest machines?
2. For someone who understands the MOBA basics but never got bitten by the bug would it be easy enough to pick up?
3. Is there a wide player skill range in this current release?
4. Is this a limited time thing that’ll close anytime soon?
Been hunting for some cool games for me/partner/kiddo to play and we have vastly different gaming skill levels at present.
I think this would be an ideal candidate as kiddo’s main game is Fortnite, although he has diversified a bit, and aside from RTS my main jam is shooters. My partner will be pretty bad no matter what we pick but she gives it a good go!
Cheers in advance y’all
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On September 03 2024 16:52 WombaT wrote:
This looks really promising, alas I have no key!
Few questions for you folks!
1. How does it perform on more modest machines?
2. For someone who understands the MOBA basics but never got bitten by the bug would it be easy enough to pick up?
3. Is there a wide player skill range in this current release?
4. Is this a limited time thing that’ll close anytime soon?
Been hunting for some cool games for me/partner/kiddo to play and we have vastly different gaming skill levels at present.
I think this would be an ideal candidate as kiddo’s main game is Fortnite, although he has diversified a bit, and aside from RTS my main jam is shooters. My partner will be pretty bad no matter what we pick but she gives it a good go!
Cheers in advance y’all
If you have any of us on Steam we can send unlimited invites from the looks of things.
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On September 03 2024 17:15 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2024 16:52 WombaT wrote:
This looks really promising, alas I have no key!
Few questions for you folks!
1. How does it perform on more modest machines?
2. For someone who understands the MOBA basics but never got bitten by the bug would it be easy enough to pick up?
3. Is there a wide player skill range in this current release?
4. Is this a limited time thing that’ll close anytime soon?
Been hunting for some cool games for me/partner/kiddo to play and we have vastly different gaming skill levels at present.
I think this would be an ideal candidate as kiddo’s main game is Fortnite, although he has diversified a bit, and aside from RTS my main jam is shooters. My partner will be pretty bad no matter what we pick but she gives it a good go!
Cheers in advance y’all If you have any of us on Steam we can send unlimited invites from the looks of things.
Got invited 3-4 times already and yet no key. Maybe they stopped or at least slowed down
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On September 03 2024 21:36 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2024 17:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2024 16:52 WombaT wrote:
This looks really promising, alas I have no key!
Few questions for you folks!
1. How does it perform on more modest machines?
2. For someone who understands the MOBA basics but never got bitten by the bug would it be easy enough to pick up?
3. Is there a wide player skill range in this current release?
4. Is this a limited time thing that’ll close anytime soon?
Been hunting for some cool games for me/partner/kiddo to play and we have vastly different gaming skill levels at present.
I think this would be an ideal candidate as kiddo’s main game is Fortnite, although he has diversified a bit, and aside from RTS my main jam is shooters. My partner will be pretty bad no matter what we pick but she gives it a good go!
Cheers in advance y’all If you have any of us on Steam we can send unlimited invites from the looks of things. Got invited 3-4 times already and yet no key. Maybe they stopped or at least slowed down
Did you get a message from steam? You don't need key to activate the game, just search in steam store and you should be able to download already
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On September 03 2024 21:36 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2024 17:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2024 16:52 WombaT wrote:
This looks really promising, alas I have no key!
Few questions for you folks!
1. How does it perform on more modest machines?
2. For someone who understands the MOBA basics but never got bitten by the bug would it be easy enough to pick up?
3. Is there a wide player skill range in this current release?
4. Is this a limited time thing that’ll close anytime soon?
Been hunting for some cool games for me/partner/kiddo to play and we have vastly different gaming skill levels at present.
I think this would be an ideal candidate as kiddo’s main game is Fortnite, although he has diversified a bit, and aside from RTS my main jam is shooters. My partner will be pretty bad no matter what we pick but she gives it a good go!
Cheers in advance y’all If you have any of us on Steam we can send unlimited invites from the looks of things. Got invited 3-4 times already and yet no key. Maybe they stopped or at least slowed down
You get an email after an invite, it can take some time to arrive.
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On September 03 2024 23:31 PoulsenB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2024 21:36 Harris1st wrote:On September 03 2024 17:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2024 16:52 WombaT wrote:
This looks really promising, alas I have no key!
Few questions for you folks!
1. How does it perform on more modest machines?
2. For someone who understands the MOBA basics but never got bitten by the bug would it be easy enough to pick up?
3. Is there a wide player skill range in this current release?
4. Is this a limited time thing that’ll close anytime soon?
Been hunting for some cool games for me/partner/kiddo to play and we have vastly different gaming skill levels at present.
I think this would be an ideal candidate as kiddo’s main game is Fortnite, although he has diversified a bit, and aside from RTS my main jam is shooters. My partner will be pretty bad no matter what we pick but she gives it a good go!
Cheers in advance y’all If you have any of us on Steam we can send unlimited invites from the looks of things. Got invited 3-4 times already and yet no key. Maybe they stopped or at least slowed down You get an email after an invite, it can take some time to arrive.
First invite was 4 days ago so either they don't want me or they considerably slowed down who gets access
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Fun game by icefrog.
I do a lot of urn runs.
Seems no one else does.
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yeah... Not my kind of game. Would be more fun if shooting was removed entirely. Just my opinion.
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On September 04 2024 07:55 CicadaSC wrote:
yeah... Not my kind of game. Would be more fun if shooting was removed entirely. Just my opinion.
You mean a third person Moba but all melee? Or standard Moba?
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On September 04 2024 08:18 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2024 07:55 CicadaSC wrote:
yeah... Not my kind of game. Would be more fun if shooting was removed entirely. Just my opinion. You mean a third person Moba but all melee? Or standard Moba?
Idk, I don't like to shoot things that are moving around so I erratically. The only shooter I can stomach is Valorant because that is more about crosshair placement.
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On September 04 2024 08:19 CicadaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2024 08:18 ETisME wrote:On September 04 2024 07:55 CicadaSC wrote:
yeah... Not my kind of game. Would be more fun if shooting was removed entirely. Just my opinion. You mean a third person Moba but all melee? Or standard Moba? Idk, I don't like to shoot things that are moving around so I erratically. The only shooter I can stomach is Valorant because that is more about crosshair placement.
I think it's fine.
this is more MOBA than shooter.
You can't one shot most heroes unless you got a much bigger item lead.
You have to execute a combo off most of the time.
Either way this game is gonna be huge, it will capture both fps and Moba players. I actually find it easier to get into than standard moba but with just as much depth which is pretty cool.
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On September 04 2024 08:45 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2024 08:19 CicadaSC wrote:On September 04 2024 08:18 ETisME wrote:On September 04 2024 07:55 CicadaSC wrote:
yeah... Not my kind of game. Would be more fun if shooting was removed entirely. Just my opinion. You mean a third person Moba but all melee? Or standard Moba? Idk, I don't like to shoot things that are moving around so I erratically. The only shooter I can stomach is Valorant because that is more about crosshair placement. I think it's fine. this is more MOBA than shooter. You can't one shot most heroes unless you got a much bigger item lead. You have to execute a combo off most of the time. Either way this game is gonna be huge, it will capture both fps and Moba players. I actually find it easier to get into than standard moba but with just as much depth which is pretty cool.
Actually I like other shooters like halo 1 and 2 was okay but that's because of the single player. I was telling my friends deadlock is my new trigger phrase. I watched a video about how streamers and esports are ruining gaming and honestly, I feel that. Yuck 🤮
Actually maybe I will try deadlock if it has a campaign.
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On September 04 2024 08:51 CicadaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2024 08:45 ETisME wrote:On September 04 2024 08:19 CicadaSC wrote:On September 04 2024 08:18 ETisME wrote:On September 04 2024 07:55 CicadaSC wrote:
yeah... Not my kind of game. Would be more fun if shooting was removed entirely. Just my opinion. You mean a third person Moba but all melee? Or standard Moba? Idk, I don't like to shoot things that are moving around so I erratically. The only shooter I can stomach is Valorant because that is more about crosshair placement. I think it's fine. this is more MOBA than shooter. You can't one shot most heroes unless you got a much bigger item lead. You have to execute a combo off most of the time. Either way this game is gonna be huge, it will capture both fps and Moba players. I actually find it easier to get into than standard moba but with just as much depth which is pretty cool. Actually I like other shooters like halo 1 and 2 was okay but that's because of the single player. I was telling my friends deadlock is my new trigger phrase. I watched a video about how streamers and esports are ruining gaming and honestly, I feel that. Yuck 🤮 Actually maybe I will try deadlock if it has a campaign.
i think I watched that same video, but deadlock at least doesn't put esports in their priority like stormgate
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I mean it's closed Alpha. Knowing Valve, they will 100% put a big priority on esports eventually, it made them insane money in Dota 2.
And if Valve doesn't do it, the community will. I guarantee as soon as some type of CM matchmaking is out, the first community hosted tournaments appear.
I can send invites to people if some are still waiting, just PM me your Steam code.
Although I've also read various people on the Discord saying they've been invited but got no e-mail. It's possible that Valve have temporarily halted invites because the player count completely exploded.
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Northern Ireland26604 Posts
Ah cool, got an invite!
Any recommendations on characters to try? As a long-term MOBA avoider and whatnot, who has decent aim (relative to other deficiencies) like who is the sorta gun nut character?
Maybe get some of us Liquidians to hop on together, could be fun! My work shift patterns actually make it much easier for me to play with folks in other time zones rather than my friends
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The game marks a few characters as beginner-friendly, so probably start with those.
Out of those, I would say Haze, Infernus, Seven and Bebop can all spec towards gun damage and end up steamrolling the enemy team.
Haze has a stealth kit and is supposed to gank a lot, but she also has a passive that increases her dmg the longer you shoot the same target (by applying stacks to said target on hit), so good aim works well with her.
Infernus applies fire DoTs by shooting, Seven can proc an ability that makes his weapon apply shock damage for a brief duration. Most people at lower levels will build Seven around his ultimate though and ignore the gun build.
Bebop has a combo where he can hook an enemy in, put a sticky bomb on them, then punch them away again, but his weapon is a laser that lends itself really well to gun damage builds in the lategame as well.
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On September 04 2024 16:08 Laurens wrote:
I mean it's closed Alpha. Knowing Valve, they will 100% put a big priority on esports eventually, it made them insane money in Dota 2.
And if Valve doesn't do it, the community will. I guarantee as soon as some type of CM matchmaking is out, the first community hosted tournaments appear.
I can send invites to people if some are still waiting, just PM me your Steam code.
Although I've also read various people on the Discord saying they've been invited but got no e-mail. It's possible that Valve have temporarily halted invites because the player count completely exploded.
Yay they started sending invites in waves again yesterday! Got mine too
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On September 05 2024 18:38 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2024 16:08 Laurens wrote:
I mean it's closed Alpha. Knowing Valve, they will 100% put a big priority on esports eventually, it made them insane money in Dota 2.
And if Valve doesn't do it, the community will. I guarantee as soon as some type of CM matchmaking is out, the first community hosted tournaments appear.
I can send invites to people if some are still waiting, just PM me your Steam code.
Although I've also read various people on the Discord saying they've been invited but got no e-mail. It's possible that Valve have temporarily halted invites because the player count completely exploded. Yay they started sending invites in waves again yesterday! Got mine too
It is a good launch model if you have a successful game. Get players to advertise it for you by asking for/giving invites. While also limiting the size of each increase so that server infrastructure and other parts of the game game can keep up with the amount of players (instead of infinite queues). Also means investment in each increase is more secure since you aren't scaling for 100k simultaneous players while only hitting 1k.
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Northern Ireland26604 Posts
On September 04 2024 18:56 Laurens wrote:
The game marks a few characters as beginner-friendly, so probably start with those.
Out of those, I would say Haze, Infernus, Seven and Bebop can all spec towards gun damage and end up steamrolling the enemy team.
Haze has a stealth kit and is supposed to gank a lot, but she also has a passive that increases her dmg the longer you shoot the same target (by applying stacks to said target on hit), so good aim works well with her.
Infernus applies fire DoTs by shooting, Seven can proc an ability that makes his weapon apply shock damage for a brief duration. Most people at lower levels will build Seven around his ultimate though and ignore the gun build.
Bebop has a combo where he can hook an enemy in, put a sticky bomb on them, then punch them away again, but his weapon is a laser that lends itself really well to gun damage builds in the lategame as well.
Nice info! Ima try to go in as blind as possible as it’s rare a game excites me these days, looking forward to experimenting a bit
For the enjoyment/novelty I think me actively largely eschewing MOBAs will probably enhance this game as a lot more stuff people have a decade+ playing around will be pretty fresh for me
They seem to have balanced it quite well.
I’d say, expected there to be more of a split between very mechanical heroes that shooter veterans could murder with, and more strategic/experience scaling players that MOBA vets could bring their skill set to bear with
Instead it seems you have a bunch of heroes that seem to benefit both of those skill sets quite well
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