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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17238 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-17 12:22:24
April 17 2020 12:10 GMT
#1
The best entry in the Total War series. It's the best thing that ever happened to Warhammer and Total War, a perfect merging. The game is pretty great in itself, and is made even better if you also own Total War: Warhamme 1 as you get access to the Mortal Empires campaign, which is a HUGE map (>300 settlements and >120 factions).





This weekend TWW2 is free on Steam, a great way to check it out if you haven't already.

TWW1 is 75% off now and TWW 66% off on Steam, a really good deal to get both of them.
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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
April 17 2020 12:36 GMT
#2
Thanks for the tip! I wish it was supported on Geforce Now.
KTY
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
April 17 2020 14:25 GMT
#3
Amazing game, and moddable to boot. Even when you had your fill of vanilla factions, you can install rebalance mods, get new factions and randomize starting positions, to just name a few things.
Multiplayer army vs army is pretty competitive and has a sizeable, lively community.

This is by far the best Total War ever released.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17238 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-17 14:50:44
April 17 2020 14:50 GMT
#4
Multiplayer example:

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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-17 19:06:05
April 17 2020 19:04 GMT
#5
Wasn't there already a Total War Warhammer Thread? Yea there was. https://tl.net/forum/games/483671-total-war-warhammer?page=113

I guess Total War Warhammer 2 didn't have a thread though. It is definitely a lot better than the previous one, more complete with more fun dynamics and a greater variety of factions.

It's also free to play for the weekend on steam so if you guys haven't tried it yet you should check it out.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2587 Posts
April 17 2020 19:14 GMT
#6
There has also been amazing support on these games from CA. Basically all the new content is great and worth it AND it almost always comes with a lot of free things too.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
April 17 2020 19:45 GMT
#7
On April 18 2020 04:14 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
There has also been amazing support on these games from CA. Basically all the new content is great and worth it AND it almost always comes with a lot of free things too.


Definitely, this game has arguably the best monetized DLC model I've ever experienced. Well aside from the Blood Pack, we don't talk about that one.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
alone
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland410 Posts
April 17 2020 21:11 GMT
#8
Tempted to get the game right now, pricing seems great. How do 1 and 2 relate to each other? I read somewhere that when you have both games you can combine map and play content from both in warhammer 2. Do I lose much if I only get one (doesnt matter which)?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-17 21:46:36
April 17 2020 21:44 GMT
#9
On April 18 2020 06:11 alone wrote:
Tempted to get the game right now, pricing seems great. How do 1 and 2 relate to each other? I read somewhere that when you have both games you can combine map and play content from both in warhammer 2. Do I lose much if I only get one (doesnt matter which)?


Don't get Warhammer 1. It's an inferior game it isn't being updated either. Get 2 if you're only going to get one.

That's going to limit you to just the Vortex map, which is a good campaign map and the 4 default Warhammer 2 races, but the beauty of having both is unlocking the enormous Mortal Empires map that spans the entirety of both Warhammer 1 and Warhammer 2 (well almost all of it)'s campaign map and unlocks all of the Warhammer 1 starting races (non-DLC) races as well, all of which have been updated in Warhammer 2 to be more fun to play. Except the Greenskins anyway but they're next on the list with an update coming in May.

Warhammer 2 is still actively being updated and new content comes out for it a couple times per year. Warhammer 1 was cool when it came out but it's nowhere close to being as good as Warhammer 2 is.

If you can though, get them both. Think of Warhammer 1 as a big DLC package that unlocks 5 new factions and a much bigger campaign map.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
April 17 2020 22:36 GMT
#10
I'd agree with Vindicare. If you only have to get one, get Warhammer 2. The mechanics are updated, the campaign is better and the races that you have unlocked are all pretty unique and cool.

But I'd highly advise getting both for the combined campaign map. It's all I ever really play, because of the variety of races you can choose to play and fight against.

DLCs might seem costly as well since you'll be buying in bulk, but for us, people who have been buying them since release, the cost over time decreases while the game just gets better with every release. Tomb Kings and Vampire Coast DLCs are god-like quality and bang for your buck.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17238 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-18 00:51:26
April 17 2020 23:02 GMT
#11
Indeed. Also, there's plenty of FLC for the game, so grab that too (for both of them, since DLC/FLC from 1 can be used in 2 in the mortal empires).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
alone
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland410 Posts
April 18 2020 05:10 GMT
#12
Thanks for help.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1050 Posts
April 18 2020 08:06 GMT
#13
The only problem of this game is the AI. In campaign it has to cheat to be a threat and in battle it's super abuseable. AI army loves to be split and kited around for days. Seemingly unwinable battles can be really easy, just using some tricks. To me it doesn't feel like an achievement, winning battles like that, more like i'm just abusing the stupidity of the AI.

The community is great though and there's tons of awesome mods, some with more content than most DLC.
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-18 09:16:03
April 18 2020 09:14 GMT
#14
I also think it's the most polished Total War ever, and that doesn't necessarily mean the best one nor the most realistic one or whatever.

It has the best AI of any Total War: that has been a problem in the past, even making a game unplayable (Empire Total War... what a waste of that wonderful historical period...). Of course it can be totally outplayed using cheese or some tricks, but that's up to you.

It has the most variety of troops, BY FAR. Considering some Total War games have the same roost of troops plus 1-2 exclusive for each faction (Empire, Shogun or 3K) or 4-5 types of armies (Rome 2, Attila), Warhammer has (if you purchase both, which I really suggest) 14... FOURTEEN... totally different armies, each one with 20-30 types of units. I've never seen that variety in any strategy game... This is the main reason why I've spent 1700 hourse on this game.

The quality of the DLCs is actually the best of any Total War games, which wasn't very difficult to be honest. But some of them, especially the Tomb Kings or the Vampire Coast packs add new flavour to campaings.

Of course, it has its downsides: no naval combat, the empire managment is much simpler than other games (which can be partially fixed with mods like Grindhammer), and its fantasy, which can be unappealing for some people.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1050 Posts
April 18 2020 11:44 GMT
#15
On April 18 2020 18:14 Elmonti wrote:
It has the best AI of any Total War: that has been a problem in the past, even making a game unplayable (Empire Total War... what a waste of that wonderful historical period...). Of course it can be totally outplayed using cheese or some tricks, but that's up to you.


Yeah i usually don't use it, only when you get into a situation fighting 3 armies+, or so, but the KI is still something to critique.

But Total War series is also my most played single player game next to Mount & Blade. Also encouraged people to get it, when on sale. Told my friend it's like Heroes of Might and Magic with realtime battles and he really likes it. If you take mods and everything into consideration it's well worth the price!


Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-18 13:18:50
April 18 2020 13:18 GMT
#16
On April 18 2020 18:14 Elmonti wrote:
I also think it's the most polished Total War ever, and that doesn't necessarily mean the best one nor the most realistic one or whatever.

It has the best AI of any Total War: that has been a problem in the past, even making a game unplayable (Empire Total War... what a waste of that wonderful historical period...). Of course it can be totally outplayed using cheese or some tricks, but that's up to you.

It has the most variety of troops, BY FAR. Considering some Total War games have the same roost of troops plus 1-2 exclusive for each faction (Empire, Shogun or 3K) or 4-5 types of armies (Rome 2, Attila), Warhammer has (if you purchase both, which I really suggest) 14... FOURTEEN... totally different armies, each one with 20-30 types of units. I've never seen that variety in any strategy game... This is the main reason why I've spent 1700 hourse on this game.

The quality of the DLCs is actually the best of any Total War games, which wasn't very difficult to be honest. But some of them, especially the Tomb Kings or the Vampire Coast packs add new flavour to campaings.

Of course, it has its downsides: no naval combat, the empire managment is much simpler than other games (which can be partially fixed with mods like Grindhammer), and its fantasy, which can be unappealing for some people.

It has the same battle AI as the first Rome Total War. It's never changed since then. It has no idea how to respond to well, anything. Every unit acts like an semi-independent unit without any real co-ordination. You don't need cheese or some tricks to fool the rudimentary AI, just the same tactics you have been doing since 15 years ago, because it's the same AI as 15 years ago.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17238 Posts
April 18 2020 22:57 GMT
#17
On April 18 2020 22:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2020 18:14 Elmonti wrote:
I also think it's the most polished Total War ever, and that doesn't necessarily mean the best one nor the most realistic one or whatever.

It has the best AI of any Total War: that has been a problem in the past, even making a game unplayable (Empire Total War... what a waste of that wonderful historical period...). Of course it can be totally outplayed using cheese or some tricks, but that's up to you.

It has the most variety of troops, BY FAR. Considering some Total War games have the same roost of troops plus 1-2 exclusive for each faction (Empire, Shogun or 3K) or 4-5 types of armies (Rome 2, Attila), Warhammer has (if you purchase both, which I really suggest) 14... FOURTEEN... totally different armies, each one with 20-30 types of units. I've never seen that variety in any strategy game... This is the main reason why I've spent 1700 hourse on this game.

The quality of the DLCs is actually the best of any Total War games, which wasn't very difficult to be honest. But some of them, especially the Tomb Kings or the Vampire Coast packs add new flavour to campaings.

Of course, it has its downsides: no naval combat, the empire managment is much simpler than other games (which can be partially fixed with mods like Grindhammer), and its fantasy, which can be unappealing for some people.

It has the same battle AI as the first Rome Total War. It's never changed since then. It has no idea how to respond to well, anything. Every unit acts like an semi-independent unit without any real co-ordination. You don't need cheese or some tricks to fool the rudimentary AI, just the same tactics you have been doing since 15 years ago, because it's the same AI as 15 years ago.


It's not exactly the same AI since it has many more different tools now (magic, big monsters, summons etc.) so it'll be way more challenging than any of the previous titles.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 20 2020 16:19 GMT
#18
No, it's the same AI. It doesn't matter if they change some units or with reskined units. RTW had elephants instead of dinos, flaming arrows and stone and flaming catapults, and chariots which did area knock down effects and generals with rally abilties. But the units still behave the same. By example, maybe now you can slap magic or ridiculously OP arty compared to other series on a bunch of units clumped on top of each other, but getting units to clump on top of each other is the exact same as the movements are the same. It's harder to tell because all heroes are OP, but the battle AI is the same.

Maybe it is more "challenging" for you to process all the different units, but the battle AI remains the same. It's actually quite spooky seeing the same AI behaviour across all the different titles. Weak melee, strong missile units still do that dumb thing where they go back and forth without shooting, being shot at when faced against a superior melee and missile force, all slow melee units are just as easily pulled apart as in RTW. Horse archers, whatever the form of the mount, lizard, wolf whatever, run into corners the exact same way as RTW / MTW2 / Empire / RTW2 / Shogun2, when a human player would used superior speed to turn away from the battle edge long ago. It's identical. In terms of manoeuvre, the AI is the same.

That's not to say it's bad because of it, I cry tears of joy seeing the models I played in my youth now realistically animated on screen, but it's totally wrong to say it has the best AI when it is the exact same AI. There's lots of things going for WTW2 over the rest of the TW series but AI isn't it.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17238 Posts
May 07 2020 15:40 GMT
#19


New DLC. Looks amazeballs.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
May 07 2020 17:36 GMT
#20
That Greenskins update has been something I've been waiting for for ages. Maybe I can finally do an actual campaign now.
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