Diablo IV - Page 100

On July 20 2023 03:15 [Phantom] wrote:
So… I ended up purchasing Diablo 4 a couple of days ago… maybe should have waited

On July 21 2023 05:39 EchelonTee wrote:


I was about to buy it, only just noticed the big community outcry. Is it overblown / only relevant at endgame? Or actually a really bad patch

On July 21 2023 05:40 Erasme wrote:
idk man duriel is pretty memorable as I remember as a child having this strat of just instant popping a tp when i entered the chamber and then just dying over and over until he finally died

On July 21 2023 14:51 Simberto wrote:
When i was a child, i played a frost sorc. I also think i saved up all skill points until level 30, because why would i waste them in lower level skills. The rest of my build probably wasn't optimized either.

Duriel was definitively an experience. I don't remember details, just lots and lots of dying. And, when i finally killed that bastard, i stomped every single one of the maggots coming out of him. Just to make sure he doesn't come back.

On July 21 2023 17:28 Latham wrote:


? sorcs probably had the easiest time with him...
All you had to do was put 1 skill point into the wonderful skill called Static Field (that had no pre-requisites btw) and that would chunk him for 25% of his current health with every cast.
In a matter of ~10 seconds he'd be down to a tiny sliver of health and then you could kill him with anything basically. Ice Blast, Fireball, Lightning, anything you had on at the time, before you dumped 20 skill points into Frozen Orb, Blizzard or what-have-you...
The real tragedy was melee characters that couldn't either hit him because of low accuracy rating or because of the damned paladin Holy Freeze he (Duriel) had for some odd reason.

I remember just cheesing him mostly with filling up my inventory with HP/Mana potions and then chugging them throughout the fight.

On July 21 2023 18:58 Manit0u wrote:


Casuals and early on in general most people had no idea of the true power of static field. I remember I considered it utter garbage for years.

On July 21 2023 19:16 Simberto wrote:


Exactly.

Also, i was playing a Frost Sorc. Why would i put points into lightning stuff? Lightning clearly isn't frost. (Remember that i was a child at that point, and my reasoning skills were maybe not fully developed yet)

On July 20 2023 07:44 Manit0u wrote:
I've just had a very interesting discussion with a fellow Diablo fan over beers. A lot of points were brought up that rarely show up in the content creator's videos and such so I thought I'd share them (aside from the usual stuff about items being shit and stuff). I'll leave D1 out of this to not move too far into the past. I will also leave D3 out of this which is an excellent game but a very poor Diablo game. So focus will be mostly on D2.

Lack of challenge

I know that Act Man in his now famous "D4 is a bad game" video brought it up but he didn't really provide specifics.

In D2 you had certain "WTF" moments where you had to consider your approach to the game. Not really power spikes but just challenges you have to overcome in order to progress the campaign. I don't even mean the hell difficulty or anything like that, consider this:

1. Act 1, normal difficulty: You have to tackle the Blood Raven for the first time (I know nowadays for people who know the game inside out it's a walk in the park). You meet a boss that attacks at range, hits like a truck, has lifesteal and keeps rising zombies to swarm you/shield herself. This happens when you're level 4-6 with shit gear and barely any skills.
2. Rakanishu. You meet your first lightning-enchanted enemy that can hurt you as you hurt it (often times he'll hurt you more than you hurt him).
3. Andariel. Even after all of Act I you're not really expecting this big ass monster to go at you, especially with all the poison and such.

I mean, even as simple thing as going from Blood Moor (first zone out of starting town) to the Cold Plains (second zone) and getting charged by spearwomen who roam in packs and you don't kill them in 1 hit can be terrifying.

That's just Act I. Don't even get me started on stuff like Duriel (I wonder if there's a single player in the world who managed to survive his first ever encounter with him - assuming pre-internet days when you went into games blind).

The game kept challenging you all the time, presenting problems to solve and overcome. I will never forget my first playthrough as minion necro, where the game was a cakewalk until normal Diablo who simply deleted your minions. It took me like 2 hours to kill him, first teleporting back to Act I to kill some weak mobs for more skellies, then just trying to summon clay golem over and over again until finally (took me 20+ deaths) figuring out that I can stand in a corner where his abilities can't reach me and just spamming level 1 bone spirit (homing missiles FTW) and teleporting back to town to get more mana potions until he was dead.

15 years later I remember more details about this one particular fight in D2 than anything I did in D4...

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On July 21 2023 05:39 EchelonTee wrote:


I was about to buy it, only just noticed the big community outcry. Is it overblown / only relevant at endgame? Or actually a really bad patch

On July 21 2023 21:13 Latham wrote:


Dunno, my friends & I figured out pretty early that Sorc had some 1-point wonders like Warmth, Telekinesis, Teleport and Static Field. I guess that also depends on how old you were when Diablo 2 came out. I was 10/11 and actually read what the skills did. It also helped I was friends with 2-3 older kids (15/17) and when our parents were drinking we'd play MTG and talk about computer games like Fifa 98', NFS: Hot Pursuit (the original one from 2002) Diablo 1/2 and Warcraft 2... ahh the memories.
But I do understand why younger kids wouldn't go about skills logically and instead try to pick a theme. I was like that in Diablo 1 when I was ~7...