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On May 29 2007 11:33 Ack1027 wrote:
This is the way I see it and I play in CAL league.
Pubs, the general consensus is that you shouldn't backdoor. Idk why it happened this way, probably because most people are noobs and have no idea how to stop a competent backdoor attempt. It's looked down upon and laughed at if you do it in a pub and if you win with it people call you pussy and other bs like that. However, there is no written rule anywhere stating that backdoor is illegal. Also, if you look at the game info during a game of dota in the TDA rules it says backdooring IS indeed legal.
CAL league backdooring is legal simply because if you're in a league you should know how to defend a backdoor, it is kinda comparable to a cheese strat or an all out attempt because if you don't have aegis and you try to do that shit you will get counter-pushed. And it's not like only one side has the availability to backdoor.
Nowadays backdooring applies to any kind of tower excluding the very first towers because in order to attack the inner or base towers/buildings you have to destroy the previous towers.
Backdooring is fine in my book, usually in inhouses 5v5 with friends we don't backdoor unless we absolutely have no other way of winning. It's more of an etiquette thing than anything else.
Yes...Very true
Too bad ass holes still will banlist your ass from pubs for bding, even when it isn't against the rules...nub hosts.
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What's wrong with that? It's like "OMG you did tank rush w/ no vultures OMG ILLEGAL"
It's kinda like a drop at their main or something >_>
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On May 30 2007 10:22 azndsh wrote:
It's technically legal but considered really bad etiquette and cheap in public games... kinda like, say, allied mine. Nobody prevents you from using allied mine on bnet but using it to win is frowned upon.
stop lurker would be a better comparison, since allied mines are illegal.
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It's just a flawed game mechanic, if we have to compare it to SC, the it's something like Terran being absolutely dominant at lower skill levels... they won't be banned in any tournament since they are fine with pros, but it would be bad mannered to use it in a low level game.
People play without backdooring, because it's lame and removes the fun of hero vs hero combat, it's you being an ass backdooring, not them complaining about you breaking a rule they had in the game.
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On May 31 2007 00:26 lololol wrote:
It's just a flawed game mechanic, if we have to compare it to SC, the it's something like Terran being absolutely dominant at lower skill levels... they won't be banned in any tournament since they are fine with pros, but it would be bad mannered to use it in a low level game.
People play without backdooring, because it's lame and removes the fun of hero vs hero combat, it's you being an ass backdooring, not them complaining about you breaking a rule they had in the game.
I wasn't aware terran was dominant at lower skill levels.
Or are you just picking a random example?
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On May 31 2007 00:41 OverTheUnder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2007 00:26 lololol wrote:
It's just a flawed game mechanic, if we have to compare it to SC, the it's something like Terran being absolutely dominant at lower skill levels... they won't be banned in any tournament since they are fine with pros, but it would be bad mannered to use it in a low level game.
People play without backdooring, because it's lame and removes the fun of hero vs hero combat, it's you being an ass backdooring, not them complaining about you breaking a rule they had in the game. I wasn't aware terran was dominant at lower skill levels. Or are you just picking a random example?
It's a made up example, since nothing in SC can be compared to backdooring 
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i like it through the back door
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On May 31 2007 04:26 ToT)BrAiN( wrote:
lol
and you said I wasn't funny. keep conloltradicting yourself
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On May 30 2007 23:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2007 11:33 Ack1027 wrote:
This is the way I see it and I play in CAL league.
Pubs, the general consensus is that you shouldn't backdoor. Idk why it happened this way, probably because most people are noobs and have no idea how to stop a competent backdoor attempt. It's looked down upon and laughed at if you do it in a pub and if you win with it people call you pussy and other bs like that. However, there is no written rule anywhere stating that backdoor is illegal. Also, if you look at the game info during a game of dota in the TDA rules it says backdooring IS indeed legal.
CAL league backdooring is legal simply because if you're in a league you should know how to defend a backdoor, it is kinda comparable to a cheese strat or an all out attempt because if you don't have aegis and you try to do that shit you will get counter-pushed. And it's not like only one side has the availability to backdoor.
Nowadays backdooring applies to any kind of tower excluding the very first towers because in order to attack the inner or base towers/buildings you have to destroy the previous towers.
Backdooring is fine in my book, usually in inhouses 5v5 with friends we don't backdoor unless we absolutely have no other way of winning. It's more of an etiquette thing than anything else. Yes...Very true Too bad ass holes still will banlist your ass from pubs for bding, even when it isn't against the rules...nub hosts.
wooo personal ban lists, those scare me a whole lot
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On May 31 2007 06:17 {ToT}Strafe wrote:and you said I wasn't funny. keep conloltradicting yourself
you aint funny, get over it
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On May 31 2007 09:45 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2007 23:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:On May 29 2007 11:33 Ack1027 wrote:
This is the way I see it and I play in CAL league.
Pubs, the general consensus is that you shouldn't backdoor. Idk why it happened this way, probably because most people are noobs and have no idea how to stop a competent backdoor attempt. It's looked down upon and laughed at if you do it in a pub and if you win with it people call you pussy and other bs like that. However, there is no written rule anywhere stating that backdoor is illegal. Also, if you look at the game info during a game of dota in the TDA rules it says backdooring IS indeed legal.
CAL league backdooring is legal simply because if you're in a league you should know how to defend a backdoor, it is kinda comparable to a cheese strat or an all out attempt because if you don't have aegis and you try to do that shit you will get counter-pushed. And it's not like only one side has the availability to backdoor.
Nowadays backdooring applies to any kind of tower excluding the very first towers because in order to attack the inner or base towers/buildings you have to destroy the previous towers.
Backdooring is fine in my book, usually in inhouses 5v5 with friends we don't backdoor unless we absolutely have no other way of winning. It's more of an etiquette thing than anything else. Yes...Very true Too bad ass holes still will banlist your ass from pubs for bding, even when it isn't against the rules...nub hosts. wooo personal ban lists, those scare me a whole lot
eh...Yea...but I got banned from some euro one that was updates from online :/...gay
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For a final word on this matter, if you press F9 (Map Info) in the game and go to League Rules/TDA rules, both of them explicitly state that backdooring is ok.
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I'm bumping this because I have an issue with it and this is the thread on it. I was just in a pub game and I backdoored and took out some barracks.
The instant I started doing it everybody freaked out on me, even on my own team. I wasn't even aware this was a rule until this game. In pub games, at least, they've developed a network of bots that host and have a global banlist. I got put on this banlist.
In that game, I argued with them: if a char is powerful enough to backdoor, shouldn't he be allowed to? That's why you have TP scrolls/BoT and need to keep constant map awareness...they couldn't answer that, all they'd do is tell me "it's gay" and "you're a retard".
I feel belittled because now I can't play on my favorite venue (bnet) under my name that all my friends know me by because of a BS rule I can't do anything about. I'm not changing my fucking name. I think I might have to screw my mac friends and move to Garena.
The games I was banned from have HK in the name, what website is that where I can go actually find out why bd'ing is a bannable offense? I was a better player than those motherfuckers, saw they didn't have tp's, and used it to my advantage. This is complete BS.
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Eh, its normally a dick move and is a desperate attempt to end a stalemate. If your team is really superior, play better and wreck their team then push in and end. If you can't do that (even in a pub) then you obviously are not as strong as you would think to be. If you really were the better player, beating opposing team in team fights/ganks shouldn't be a problem and i don't see why you are back dooring.
Its generally not accepted except in specific cases (such as outer towers being in deny range and the opposing team doesn't kill it, that's their own fault for not noticing)
edit: to answer your question, its not about a bannable offense, people just don't like it and its for the most part a bad instance of the game. Its why Icefrog changed many mechanics to the towers/buildings in a base to try and prevent backdooring from happening. You can say its a legit strategy all you want, but if you want to play in any good league you won't get in because most of them have it banned (again, except for specific instances such as denyable outer towers and specific base rules)
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Wow, this thread has 50 views and 13k views...
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On May 29 2009 11:29 IntoTheWow wrote:
Wow, this thread has 50 views and 13k views...
*head explosion*
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meh I dont see what the problem is. Wards/TP > stop backdoor.
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if you can backdoor, i'm all for it. it's so trivial setting a rule such that a farmed hero has to wait around for creeps to destroy some buildings. why? creeps die so fast in the late game that you have to pull some heavy strings just to get to the point of taking down buildings.
a few limitations to "proper" pushing (without backdooring):
1. not enough creeps to farm when your team is stronger than the opposing team
2. creeps not upgradeable (HP, magic immunity, armor, damage, etc.)
there's this stupid stalemate that comes up frequently where the team can easily push, but since the creeps are so fragile, the lanes change momentum way too fast that take too much time to reverse (30 seconds for a handful of units that deem building-killing legitimate? rofl, please). if you can backdoor with impunity and the other team bitches, it's their fault for being unable to counter it.
anyway, icefrog is probably going to "fix" backdooring just like he "fixed" pooling -_-
(the only kind of backdooring i oppose is song of siren pushing.)
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