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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 24 2017 03:39 BeaTeR wrote: Happy for Adren, very long path to this trophy, did you guys know his first international experience came from wcg 2005 when his team lost to 3D in the finals yeah K23 in shitty ass source. I saw that tournament. Also Hobbit hugging Dosia is the cutest thing I have ever seen in counterstrike, | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On July 24 2017 03:56 bluzi wrote: Agreed , its also the best Esport to watch as a casual and hardcore , tons of action , tons of big plays , great competitive balance as the game is kinda symmetric , its damn intensive as well as the decisions and plays are split seconds and surprising , for instance in Dota (my other esport im following) you have a quiet time at the start and until you start seeing things happen it takes a while , also there are LONG periods of time that nothing really happening in the game. For me CS 1.6 was the best (as i was a kid and also played a ton) and now csgo is back on top of my fav games to watch. I can barely watch a full dota tournament anymore , i skip most games and watch some highlights , but this major i watched a ton (also at work  ) and enjoyed it very much , oh and also Zeus is a god.Yeah, csgo had a very rough start, but look where it is right now. Every single round has something exciting going, there's not single moment to actually catch breath in csgo, even low level csgo can be fun to watch | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 24 2017 06:59 beentheredonethat wrote: credit where credit is due. but tbh immortals got into the final beating BIG and VP which is like not the hardest thing to do. Immortals are tier two (solid tier two though). Gambit - their performance was astonishing. I think we'll have to watch out for them over the next months. But for IMT, I'm fairly sure we became witness of a fluke. Immortals has way more silverware prior to this. Their biggest criticism has been the fact that they havnet qualified for majors when they should. Both teams are just as likely to full off or kick on. I find this "they played X" and they played "y" absolutely flabbergasting. There are very few easy opponents at this this level anymore I absolutely loathe people who devalue performances based on opponents. You can only play what you are faced up against. People did the same with the SK wins putting in "qualifiers" for how strong the opposition was. Bullshit | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On July 24 2017 06:59 beentheredonethat wrote: credit where credit is due. but tbh immortals got into the final beating BIG and VP which is like not the hardest thing to do. Immortals are tier two (solid tier two though). Gambit - their performance was astonishing. I think we'll have to watch out for them over the next months. But for IMT, I'm fairly sure we became witness of a fluke. well you always have a part of luck when it comes to bracket and path, that's the case in most esport or sport games - but they did what they had to do, and beating VP with the whole crowd cheering against you is quite a performance brazilian CS amazes me, specially about the fact that they are far from europe yet they were able to catch up na'vi staff lack of good judgement has been impressive so far, happy that zeus exposed them | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On July 24 2017 07:09 Rebs wrote: Immortals has way more silverware prior to this. Their biggest criticism has been the fact that they havnet qualified for majors when they should. Both teams are just as likely to full off or kick on. I find this "they played X" and they played "y" absolutely flabbergasting. There are very few easy opponents at this this level anymore I absolutely loathe people who devalue performances based on opponents. You can only play what you are faced up against. People did the same with the SK wins putting in "qualifiers" for how strong the opposition was. Bullshit It has nothing to do with devalueing what they did! IMT did the best they could do (except beating Gambit) so of course they did a great job, and had they won the major, all kudos and all the glory to them. Nevertheless, the path they had was easier. In CS:GO, there is imho no clear no #1 to beat, there's rather a range of 2-4 teams which you should be able to at least compete with to be called a tier one team. I don't see IMT compete over more than one Bo3 with Astralis, SK, even Faze (granted that the early exit wasn't the start of a long term slump), and G2 on their good days. Consistency is key to be Tier 1 and if you go for that, you're left with Astralis and SK as clear tier 1 and then Faze > G2 and then the rest. I repeat, it's not devalueing the achievement they made. It's simply putting things into perspective. Because if you look at the major alone, then yes, IMT is #2 of the world and gambit is #1 in the world. But I'm fairly certain this is not how it is. On July 24 2017 07:14 Makro wrote: well you always have a part of luck when it comes to bracket and path, that's the case in most esport or sport games - but they did what they had to do, and beating VP with the whole crowd cheering against you is quite a performance brazilian CS amazes me, specially about the fact that they are far from europe yet they were able to catch up na'vi staff lack of good judgement has been impressive so far, happy that zeus exposed them Beating VP against that crows shows a mentality that is astonishing and impressive and basically confirms that these guys are ready to take on any major at any time, although this was in great parts their first one. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
And yes, right now Gambit is #1 and IMT is #2, whatever you think they might or might not be is just theories that doesnt hold when you consider that in the thoughest tournament right now gambit was #1 and imt #2 | ||
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pNRG
United States333 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
like he got fired up and then suddenly realized "holy shit, 1 more round..." | ||
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jojamon
133 Posts
His plans where he uses just a tec9 or P250 even when he has enough money to buy a rifle on T-side is also something that's pretty much unheard of... | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 27 2017 03:03 jojamon wrote: So happy for Zeus. He was clearly not the problem in Na'Vi His plans where he uses just a tec9 or P250 even when he has enough money to buy a rifle on T-side is also something that's pretty much unheard of... People do that for full nades on support players all the time. | ||
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jojamon
133 Posts
On July 27 2017 03:07 Rebs wrote: People do that for full nades on support players all the time. But he had like 6k bank. He could easily afford a full buy. He would peek banana on Inferno to get info very fast. Sometimes he finds a pick then steals a gun and runs away. No other team really does that consistently. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 27 2017 03:09 jojamon wrote: But he had like 6k bank. He could easily afford a full buy. He would peek banana on Inferno to get info very fast. Sometimes he finds a pick then steals a gun and runs away. No other team really does that consistently. That seems like a low percentage greedy play. I dont see whats smart about that. But ok. | ||
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
On July 27 2017 04:30 Rebs wrote: That seems like a low percentage greedy play. I dont see whats smart about that. But ok. He can play aggressive/scouting anti-eco and not risk losing a rifle to other time and potentially lose the game. | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On August 01 2017 13:58 saddaromma wrote: He can play aggressive/scouting anti-eco and not risk losing a rifle to other time and potentially lose the game. Thats nothing new vs Anti Ecos. It is not super common, true, but think of players like Flusha. He has been doing that stuff in Anti Ecos and even full buy rounds for ages | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Though sometimes I don't get why teams resort to that kind of decisions, and at the same time play kinda recklessly against ecos, without using their mollies, nade, etc to flush out close corners and ambush spots where a Five-seven. That's like textbook anti-eco stuff and yet.... Exactly the reason I would rather like full nades and a UMP in the second/third round than a naked AK + Armor. Having one is fine, if you can afford some nades as well. | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
Still it kind of makes sense if teams try to get their cash as far ahead as possible. Not using nades saves like 1k per player (assuming you use all your nades), directly buying an AK saves you the 1.2k for the UMP (even though SMG bonus money can be even better). But given the power of pistols i do favour your approach of UMP + nades and like 2 AKs | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 01 2017 13:58 saddaromma wrote: He can play aggressive/scouting anti-eco and not risk losing a rifle to other time and potentially lose the game. Yeah what everyone else said. Being greedy vs anti ecos like that is nothing new. Alot of people do it for various reason again as everyone said, infact alot of them do it to get faster awps to drop/buy in the first gun rounds/ I thought you were implying he was deliberately buying pistons saving money even with full nades available on gun rounds which is a dumber play the more I think about. | ||
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