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Ragnarork
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 Particularly happy that the veto rules have changed and that the randomness factor with the two remaining maps has been removed. Still, swiss format feels more and more limited without a very good seeding, as shown in the Qualifier and at Cologne this weekend... | ||
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That said i hope SK can get a good seeding going into the play off bracket. Hopefully get a good map vs Penta and take that bo1 to give them a good step in the right direction! | ||
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Clonester
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Go SK, Go Mouz and Go BIG | ||
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bluzi
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 they have 0 chance to do well in front of their home crowd , only the playoffs are infront of a crowd right ? | ||
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Ragnarork
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Well, VP would have to pull of a miracle to make it to the stage considering their abysmal form. | ||
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On July 13 2017 01:37 Ragnarork wrote: Yup, as usual. Well, VP would have to pull of a miracle to make it to the stage considering their abysmal form. Indeed , for some reason i believe that if they reach the stage they will become super human and play their best , but they won't get there. | ||
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Ragnarork
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On July 13 2017 15:11 Circumstance wrote: It seems that you're all forgetting that this is Virtus Pro at a Major. It seems that you're not considering they've never looked this bad before a major. | ||
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Go go faze! | ||
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Mensol
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stuff of dreams | ||
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Ragnarork
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On July 16 2017 20:56 Mensol wrote: Gambit electronic stuff of dreams Would be hard to fit in though. But yeah, this guy is going places. | ||
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Pandemona
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This is hilarious lol. The jumping over felps was :D | ||
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Mensol
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zehN and sunNy are finnish overlords. | ||
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Pandemona
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We will struggle into the bracket stage and then go super sayian | ||
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i want them to get legend spot so badly.  gob b | ||
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On July 17 2017 03:54 Luolis wrote: Why would G2 take overpass over nuke vs Navi. What dafuq Yeah, but it's hilarious seeing Yanko losing it. | ||
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Muffloe
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 finally a round | ||
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Mensol
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come on boys, take it to the overtime. | ||
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Mensol
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On July 17 2017 04:19 Luolis wrote: Aaand that's why choosing overpass instead of nuke when you are G2 is a pretty dumb idea I have just seen that g2 used coinflip to choose between overpass and nuke. wtf?? here is the video. also to the stars~ was a hard game though. | ||
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Luolis
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Mouz vs Faze also gonna be tough. Gogo Faze, don't play like shit this time. Flipsid3 vs Navi can go either way. All about the ratios of how shit is Navi's T-side and how inside Seizeds head can B1ad3 get. BIG vs C9 is gonna be interesting but i trust in da BIG bois | ||
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Ragnarork
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On July 17 2017 07:35 Luolis wrote: how inside Seizeds head can B1ad3 get. What happens if it's empty though.... | ||
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On July 17 2017 16:23 Pandemona wrote: Swiss draws for matches are so silly at times. C9 Big Gambit G2 face eachother whilst the big 4 astralis sk vp fnatic all play eachother haha Im pretty sure C9, Gambit and G2 all are better than vp or fnatic atm ;D | ||
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Pandemona
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 On July 17 2017 18:39 Luolis wrote: Im pretty sure C9, Gambit and G2 all are better than vp or fnatic atm ;D Gambit for sure, but i mean in terms of prestige and previous major exp and "seeding" those 4 should have played the other 4 etc. Just seems harsh that SK vs Astralis is a game and C9 vs BIG is a winners game etc. Oh well have to beat everyone etcetc. | ||
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On July 17 2017 20:18 Mensol wrote: What the fuck FaZe is doing lool Great question | ||
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i want to say RIP FaZe but they still have good chance of getting legend spot. | ||
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Faruko
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Karrigan gets kinda a pass being igl Allu had a pretty good game all things considered | ||
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Ragnarork
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Karrigan gets kinda a pass being igl Honestly the whole team looked uninspired and not well coordinated, and I'd pin that on him. | ||
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Luolis
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On July 17 2017 20:50 Ragnarork wrote: Honestly the whole team looked uninspired and not well coordinated, and I'd pin that on him. Yea i agree. They seemed completely lost at times and it looked like so many times people just went alone trying some hero plays etc | ||
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Luolis
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On July 17 2017 21:46 Mensol wrote: markeloff is still better awper than WorldEdit. I wouldn't go that far :D | ||
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BrownBear
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This half buy isn't gonna help them at all either. | ||
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On July 18 2017 01:46 BrownBear wrote: C9 chaos-style T side vs. BUG, who will win? BiG will make a leap to victory, literally  | ||
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Clonester
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wait a minute, this is not gaming paradise? | ||
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Luolis
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:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD | ||
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Clonester
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Wow, Shroud playing 1080p with an Onboard GPU... | ||
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On July 18 2017 02:29 Clonester wrote: https://twitter.com/Stewie/status/886999553806917632 Wow, Shroud playing 1080p with an Onboard GPU... explains why shroud is 1-19 BIG is winning 14-6 btw. | ||
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GG 16-11 | ||
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On July 18 2017 02:29 Clonester wrote: https://twitter.com/Stewie/status/886999553806917632 Wow, Shroud playing 1080p with an Onboard GPU... What the hell? I hope he means no drivers installed and not actually no GPU... I just lost tons of "fake" money cus of this shit up. Yeah it's not real money but still, I'm competing against a friend >.> | ||
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Faruko
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blame is on him, he can call a technical time out JUST TO BE SURE OF IT | ||
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On July 18 2017 03:24 Faruko wrote: Honestly, how the fuck does shroud doesnt realize he doesnt have the performance he should (i mean, he probably has a pretty comparable set up at his house, the difference would be marginally, going from a 1070/1080 to a on board GPU its not MARGINAL). blame is on him, he can call a technical time out JUST TO BE SURE OF IT Yeah, blame a player who has to worry about a million other things and not the incompetent TO. Players should be able to assume that their pcs are setup properly. This isn't some tournament in your friend's basement. This is supposed to be the highest tier event in a game played by millions. | ||
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Muffloe
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On July 18 2017 03:31 HugoBallzak wrote: Yeah, blame a player who has to worry about a million other things and not the incompetent TO. Players should be able to assume that their pcs are setup properly. This isn't some tournament in your friend's basement. This is supposed to be the highest tier event in a game played by millions. Hmm, i kinda agree, he should be worried about his own performance not the computers | ||
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On July 18 2017 03:31 HugoBallzak wrote: Yeah, blame a player who has to worry about a million other things and not the incompetent TO. Players should be able to assume that their pcs are setup properly. This isn't some tournament in your friend's basement. This is supposed to be the highest tier event in a game played by millions. Wut ? the performance would have been incredibly variable for an on board gpu, if im THAT profesional i would have catch on quick and say "hey, admin pls, i have some frame rate problems" thats like saying a player would never feel a deflated ball on football. pretty terrible argument to be honest to be honest, im kinda with you that PGL should take some blame, but if the player isnt saying anything why would they think theres something wrong ? these are humans btw, not robots | ||
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Mensol
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BIG vs Gambit for legend spot is needed. | ||
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i have more reason to dislike North now. that second tweet wasnt needed in first place, it just gathers more hate towards BIG... | ||
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BeaTeR
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On July 18 2017 04:10 Mensol wrote: AdreN is casually destroying G2. BIG vs Gambit for legend spot is needed. AdreN dominated the map whole match gj gambit | ||
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Pontual
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Get ready for Neymar spam lol | ||
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Mensol
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On July 18 2017 04:30 Pontual wrote: What is this jump bug exactly? Didn't catch the BIG game Get ready for Neymar spam lol | ||
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On July 18 2017 04:30 Pontual wrote: What is this jump bug exactly? Didn't catch the BIG game Get ready for Neymar spam lol If you crouch and jump the game doesnt render the image so you can basically get free info without the risk of someone 1 tapping your head off. Interesting... https://i.redd.it/y20fuyd1f6az.png lol @ Shroud complaining his FPS is terrible. Its certainly PGL's fault for being shit and not having drivers installed. But really its not that hard to have someone come and look at it. I | ||
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Luolis
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On July 18 2017 04:26 Mensol wrote: https://twitter.com/Magiskb0Y/status/887022741811073025 i have more reason to dislike North now. that second tweet wasnt needed in first place, it just gathers more hate towards BIG... And apparently BIG wasn't even there (and some people say Penta wasnt aswell) so nice meme north | ||
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On July 18 2017 04:55 Luolis wrote: And apparently BIG wasn't even there (and some people say Penta wasnt aswell) so nice meme north just the children on North  the guy whos replying is BIGs manager. | ||
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Edit: ESPECIALLY because other teams have already used it. Ropz even used it after a "gentlemans agreement" for mouz vs faze game (i don't really care that he used it, but its pretty dumb that its just being ignored :D) | ||
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On July 18 2017 05:41 plasmidghost wrote: This has to be one of the strangest buys I've ever seen in pro CS, two AWPs and no rifles, what's the reasoning behind this? Well cold saved one | ||
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On July 18 2017 05:41 plasmidghost wrote: This has to be one of the strangest buys I've ever seen in pro CS, two AWPs and no rifles, what's the reasoning behind this? Starplayers in hyperform. | ||
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well deserved win tho! | ||
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confirmed | ||
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On July 18 2017 05:59 Epoxide wrote: "congratulations to astralis for putting up a good fight" - fallen LMFAO I think he said "it was a good fight". | ||
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I know it wasn't meant to be rude but it just sounded so funny to congratulate the losing team :p | ||
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Luolis
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On July 18 2017 06:22 Epoxide wrote: I know it wasn't meant to be rude but it just sounded so funny to congratulate the losing team :p Reminds me of this gem :D | ||
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On July 18 2017 06:23 Luolis wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWAzzoMmpuo Reminds me of this gem :D Holy shit that's hilarious hahaha | ||
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SK vs BIG and VP vs Gambit, they dodged each other which is nice i guess. | ||
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On July 18 2017 20:07 phagga wrote: well, Penta just recovered a 3-12 on this map, so 4-11 is doable I guess... But Penta >>> Faze it seems. Actually All >>> Faze atm. xD | ||
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On July 18 2017 20:48 Mensol wrote: astralis had the same collapse under karrigan. god bless zonic for removing him and bringing gla1ve. Astralis was almost never at the place to win tournaments with Karrigan though. They always went choke save for like 2 tournaments. | ||
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On July 18 2017 21:24 Ragnarork wrote: This is history. Probably the biggest epic fail at a major since Titan at Katowice 2014. Not sure if you speak of Faze or Norths Anti-Eco... | ||
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On July 18 2017 21:32 Pontual wrote: Faze, bad anti-ecos aren't history (I know, I was just joking. He had already written that comment before the anti-eco round began). | ||
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On July 18 2017 21:33 phagga wrote: (I know, I was just joking. He had already written that comment before the anti-eco round began). oh, i'm the guy who didn't get the joke, fuck hahah | ||
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I wonder if NiKo was actually the problem. | ||
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On July 18 2017 20:47 Pontual wrote: This ad by fnatic was so cringy it'll appear on watchmojo top 10 cringiest commercials did they used the infamous "every gravedigger dies" again? | ||
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On July 18 2017 22:07 Muffloe wrote: did they used the infamous "every gravedigger dies" again? Don't know wich one that was, but this time it was kinda an animation where the Fnatic clothed CTs turned to their back and it was full of fnatic fans cheering for them, then suddendly the screen focuses a guy with fnatic hoodie and this guy just makes a creepy  | ||
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On July 18 2017 22:54 Mensol wrote: Lets play overpass against NaVi, what could possibly go wrong? So far, not so much. | ||
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Also that win vs SK in Katowice has duped Na'vi into thinking they are good on overpass when they literally get wrecked on it by nearly everyone else the last few tournaments. Their best results have been on Mirage and (strangely) Train. And those arent really maps to write home about either lol. On July 18 2017 20:18 Luolis wrote: Waylander with an awp 3k lmao Fake Fin > Real Fin. I am so sad I didnt see the sigbet in time QQ | ||
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On July 18 2017 22:25 Pontual wrote: Don't know wich one that was, but this time it was kinda an animation where the Fnatic clothed CTs turned to their back and it was full of fnatic fans cheering for them, then suddendly the screen focuses a guy with fnatic hoodie and this guy just makes a creepy Sounds alot better than this atleast xD | ||
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On July 18 2017 23:57 Muffloe wrote: Sounds alot better than this atleast xD + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bNZ02h9U7I Oh my god that was awful, i regret watching that. It's even worse because it's real people and feels like 10 min watching it | ||
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On July 19 2017 02:43 Pontual wrote: Oh my god that was awful, i regret watching that. It's even worse because it's real people and feels like 10 min watching it an important piece in cringe history | ||
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On July 19 2017 02:52 Muffloe wrote: why did i get my hopes up, i knew there would be no t side to show for aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh Looks like a decent T side .... they had some really well though out rounds. The one A play where they came up vent door and cabin actually had long term ramification. Made it so that xyp had to give up aggressive angles to make sure they dont cross to vent on secret and he got absolutely boned doing it. Its an example of a well crafted long term moves that Fnatic lacked on the T side so win or lose its a significant improvement. Normally they just get crushed by organized teams that are willing to gamble a little. Win or lose its a much better performance against one of the two best teams on nuke imo. | ||
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whew that was tough. | ||
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missing all the duels some of them he has the angles to shoot first i thought he would be better once he stopped IGL ..... we really need him to step up and be on the same level of the rest of the team. | ||
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On July 19 2017 04:09 Mensol wrote: AdreN has to be in the list of top 20 players this year. I'd say top 10 | ||
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Also VP are far from the playoffs all the 2-1 teams are VERY strong and they can easily be playing the 2-2 bracket , hope they get BiG @ the 2-1. | ||
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Have been reading that there is going to be CIS shuffle after major, NaVi needs to make an offer to Zeus which he cant refuse because he dont have a reason to leave Gambit atm. | ||
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On July 19 2017 05:12 Mensol wrote: three inferno in a row for BIG, jesus christ really wanted to see them on another map. I guess versus SK it still is a nice test for them. | ||
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) but wasn't there a gentlemen's agreement on not using the bug? Apparently some players don't care ^^ That's the problem with this agreement, it's obviously not binding and thus basically useless | ||
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On July 19 2017 05:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: Don't wanna start drama ( ) but wasn't there a gentlemen's agreement on not using the bug? Apparently some players don't care ^^ That's the problem with this agreement, it's obviously not binding and thus basically useless Who is using it? | ||
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Pretty sure Legija used it in banana for example, In general i think it should be ok to use it when there are no official rules which forbid it, but after all this drama and then the 16 team gentlemen's agreement it seems kinda shitty | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: Pretty sure Legija used it in banana for example, In general i think it should be ok to use it when there are no official rules which forbid it, but after all this drama and then the 16 team gentlemen's agreement it seems kinda shitty Allright i saw the clip. I think it just came from the backbone, and wasn't really done with ill mind tbh. | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:03 Epoxide wrote: why does nex peek there when they have a four man stack with crossfires? Gob flashed it for him. Sadly it didnt flash anything. | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:04 Luolis wrote: Gob flashed it for him. Sadly it didnt flash anything. Seems like a pretty unnecessary thing to do | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:07 Luolis wrote: I didn't see the situation entirely but to me it looked like they had gob in pit and nex on site and then library dude smoked off (im not 100% sure about it) so i can understand why They had keev on site with an awp and the library guy came small pit | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: Pretty sure Legija used it in banana for example, In general i think it should be ok to use it when there are no official rules which forbid it, but after all this drama and then the 16 team gentlemen's agreement it seems kinda shitty Well why wouldn't BIG use it? They weren't even invited to the meeting were they agreed to not use the bug. Valve doesn't care about the bug. PGL didn't care about it and then gave the green light to use it. And a lot of BIG CT strats are currently based on it. | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:12 TheNewEra wrote: Well why wouldn't BIG use it? They weren't even invited to the meeting were they agreed to not use the bug. Valve doesn't care about the bug. PGL didn't care about it and then gave the green light to use it. And a lot of BIG CT strats are currently based on it. My understanding is that there was/is a gentlemen's agreement where everyone of the 16 teams said they won't use it. (that was after the stuff you mentioned). Look in general i am fine with using it if it isn't forbidden (though i think it probably shouldn't be allowed, it seems broken), but after all this drama and the new agreement it just seems shitty to still use it. Ofc it's not 100% binding, but yeah not a fan of the decision here. But sure, let's give him the benefit of the doubt that it was simply muscle memory i guess. With that being said, sick game. Pretty close and props to BIG here. Still want SK to win though :D | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:16 teddyoojo wrote: big also agreed on not using it seized used it twice in a row against immortals Source? Not Doubting u but drama was evolving so fast the last day maybe I missed it. | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:18 Mensol wrote: https://twitter.com/g5taz/status/887048925609414658 thank you for delivering | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:28 Pontual wrote: Wow Inferno T for SK is awful, while Big defense was perfect. gege Was good yesterday though vs Astralis and there CT was weak vs them. Now today T was bad and CT was better xD | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:28 geokilla wrote: How did BIG pull that off?! they have been putting insane hours since creating the team. every player took their game to next level in last six months. gob b has also learned CSGO inside and out. you can see it in his calls compared to his times in NRG. | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:28 Pontual wrote: Wow Inferno T for SK is awful, while Big defense was perfect. gege Inferno T needs very heavy reads to play well. Gob B setups owned the fuck out of them every time. And this is especially impressive because reading and adjusting ingame is what SK is good at but the reads and the setups were always favourable to Big. And the pit players were kinda absurd, mostly because they were holding utility alot because SK plays slow and then catching them during the execute. But still even though they got caught with a rush once or twice they didnt panic and stuck to the game plan. If the pit player has counter utility hes golden. Considering this same team took Astralis 13-2 on T, it was pretty heavy anti stratting coming in. Certainly a monster achievement but the real test would be to maintain this level once teams have had a look at you. Also .. jump bug ? What jump bug? Tabsen dont need your jump bug. | ||
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Mouz-C9: Be ready for the heart attack plays and slip ups by both teams. (Mouz fucks up in Overtime or 14-16) Penta-F3: Poor Luolis, 2 Fins against 1 Fin (F3 got this) NaVi-Fnatic: Please die NaVi, I dont want to see that Lineup anymore (Fnatic better do this) G2-Astralis: G2 to make the Astralis 2-3 dream a bit closer North-VP: Please VP, the crowed needs its champion SK-Immo: SK should do this. | ||
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On July 19 2017 18:02 phagga wrote: Did the rules change? Commentators just said that mousesports would have to go through all the minors again. So far the bottom 8 from the major were directly seeded for the Major Qualifier, did they change that? I think most likely probability is that they accidentally said that or just in general dont understand the format. | ||
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On July 19 2017 20:18 Muffloe wrote: inb4 this is the game that s1mple decide to show up for S1mple has been topfragging in every game so far. That's barely their main issue. | ||
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On July 19 2017 21:14 Muffloe wrote: I'm definitely okay with these clutches, just saying are you sure lmao ? dat shot by edward holy shit | ||
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On July 19 2017 21:31 Luolis wrote: So apparently simple used jump bug? Nice hippocrates) supposedly fnatic did also | ||
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On July 19 2017 21:35 Bisu-Fan wrote: Ughhh navis t side is so weak its unbelievable seized is a pretty awful igl tbh not his fault tho, he was never asked to be put in this position, but i think a shuffle is coming, headless cs has been out of the norm for way too long. Honestly, out of the possibilities, i would take blad3 and replace it with edward or... starix if he wants to play and is good enough lol | ||
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On July 19 2017 21:33 BrownBear wrote: It's just so hard to knock Fnatic out of a major. They're still able to revert to championship form when they absolutely need to. This was hardly championship form, they actually played much better vs Astralis. This game was pubby AF.. Most of it was just Edward and Siezed losing duel after duel after duel in favorable and to be fair unfavorable spots (and this is despite both of them actually having ok KDR's). Guardian also fell away, it was certainly high level clutching from Fnatic but better teams with individuals on point wont (and dont let that happen). Seized is not cut out for IGL. He is pretty decent fragger but hes dropped hard since he started IGLING. Edward is to inconsistent. On July 19 2017 22:06 Ragnarork wrote: This interview was so troubling watching right after Na'Vi's elimination. :D They were like.. shit these idiots went and got knocked out. Better play it now. Although it wouldnt have killed them to run it just before the game. | ||
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Losing to a full eco very convincingly ! Ok then this game is going to be close it seems, both losing the rounds they should win | ||
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Neo gets the kill 4v5 , then goes alone and peaks and dies , JUST EXECUTE ON THE SITE | ||
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On July 20 2017 00:58 bluzi wrote: I cant stand watching this Neo gets the kill 4v5 , then goes alone and peaks and dies , JUST EXECUTE ON THE SITE To be fair that was a very gambli play from Konfig not a bad play from Neo, although I guess you could argue Neo shouldve had someone come up underpass before that peek. VP arent playing all that horribly North is playing really well imo | ||
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On July 20 2017 01:00 Rebs wrote: To be fair that was a very gambli play from Konfig not a bad play from Neo, although I guess you could argue Neo shouldve had someone come up underpass before that peek. VP arent playing all that horribly North is playing really well imo Not checking shadow ? wtf is Taz doing as the entry frager there .... | ||
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On July 20 2017 01:02 bluzi wrote: Not checking shadow ? wtf is Taz doing as the entry frager there .... Most of the spots they arent checking is because of baits or other ques the defense is setting up to draw attention. Its not because he is just a dumbass who doesnt know there can't be a person shadow. | ||
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On July 20 2017 01:04 Rebs wrote: Most of the spots they arent checking is because of baits or other ques the defense is setting up to draw attention. Its not because he is just a dumbass who doesnt know there can't be a person shadow. I think 100% Byali seen him dropping down ..... | ||
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On July 20 2017 01:06 bluzi wrote: I think 100% Byali seen him dropping down ..... Well they have brought it back to a reset round with a low utility buy on the defense. If they win it they should go ahead on the eco after. Pretty close game considering how aweful they are supposedly playing. | ||
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Edit: yeah definately anyones game now And Pasha whiffs on the lurk play and that gg's the round.. | ||
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On July 20 2017 01:45 Stancel wrote: picking overpass against SK picking overpass against fallen AHAHAHAHAHA I dono about that, KNG and Heni can definately go toe to toe with him. | ||
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On July 20 2017 03:04 Pandemona wrote: FALLEN is madness!!! I guess he can count to 5 | ||
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On July 20 2017 03:42 Epoxide wrote: fuck thats the worst draw Well considering the teams they had all faced in the tournament so this was one of the more likely draws. | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:35 Epoxide wrote: why bother seeding a tournament xdddddddddddddddddd Not the tournament organizers fault that SK lost to BIG | ||
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At least BIG got a nice matchup. At first legends spot was enough but i started to believe in their chances at this tournament. Hopefully they are as good as on inferno on other maps. | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:35 Epoxide wrote: why bother seeding a tournament xdddddddddddddddddd The group stage is seeding aswell. The 3-0 teams were always going to be drawn against the 3-2's first and then theres a guarantee that two 2 3-1 teams play each other. It couldve been SK North or SK Astralis either way 5 Danes get sad on Sat xD | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:36 Luolis wrote: Not the tournament organizers fault that SK lost to BIG On July 20 2017 07:37 Rebs wrote: The group stage is seeding. The 3-0 teams were always going to be drawn against the 3-2's first and then theres a guarantee that two 2 3-1 teams play each other. It couldve been SK North or SK Astralis either way 5 Danes get sad on Sat xD and did they seed the group stage? No. | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:39 Epoxide wrote: and did they seed the group stage? No. They played legends vs challengers first round ? Kinda hard to seed when there is no real official ranking system. No, HLTV.org doesn count. | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:39 Rebs wrote: They played legends vs challengers first round ? Yeah from a half year old result and only for the first round | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:39 Epoxide wrote: and did they seed the group stage? No. So SK lost to BIG because of group stage seeding? | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:41 Epoxide wrote: Yeah from a half year old result and only for the first round Not all teams get to play all tournaments for various reasons (like Gambit) so saying "fuck those irrelevant results" lets go on current form based on tournaments that not all teams get to play and that we dont have an official consensus based ranking system assigned for. (again HLTV.org doesnt count) If you can think of a fairer way to start the rounds feel free to suggest it. As for the second and succeeding rounds. Doesnt matter how much or how "well" they wouldve seeded it. If favourites or legends teams lose you will get stacked games in the proceeding rounds. And the rounds will get progressively more stacked as they go on. Thats ofcourse a given. Forcing matches based on some arbitrary idea of seeding in a swiss system just means you are fixing them which is frankly just wrong. On July 20 2017 07:43 Luolis wrote: So SK lost to BIG because of group stage seeding? I heard Faze went 0-3 because of bad group stage seeding also. edit: I mentioned something about perks but thats silly now that i think about it. THe perk is you get autoqualified. Thats good enough | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:43 Luolis wrote: So SK lost to BIG because of group stage seeding? No | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:43 Rebs wrote: Not all teams get to play all tournaments for various reasons (like Gambit) so saying "fuck those irrelevant results" lets go on current form based on tournaments that not all teams get to play and that we dont have an official consensus based ranking system assigned for. (again HLTV.org doesnt count) If you can think of a fairer way to start the rounds feel free to suggest it. As for the second and succeeding rounds. Doesnt matter how much or how "well" they wouldve seeded it. If favourites or legends teams lose you will get stacked games in the proceeding rounds. And the rounds will get progressively more stacked as they go on. Thats ofcourse a given. Forcing matches based on some arbitrary idea of seeding in a swiss system just means you are fixing them which is frankly just wrong. I heard Faze went 0-3 because of bad group stage seeding also. edit: I mentioned something about perks but thats silly now that i think about it. THe perk is you get autoqualified. Thats good enough Round 2: SK vs Astralis, both are legend teams. BIG vs C9, both are challenger teams. You can still use that dumb seeding for future rounds. | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:50 Mensol wrote: BIG vs VP in semis and BIG vs astralis in finals is needed for csgasm. BIG vs SK or BIG vs Gambit ty. No astralis in my finals thanks) | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:49 Epoxide wrote: Round 2: SK vs Astralis, both are legend teams. BIG vs C9, both are challenger teams. You can still use that dumb seeding for future rounds. yeah and both beat legends teams. If the legends teams would have won them you would still get a stacked round 2. North vs Faze.. orrrr a SK vs North, or a Faze vs Astralis. Manipulating the seeding because favorites lost is not only dumb. Its fundamentally wrong & unfair. My reward for beating a legends team is... Yep another legends team. Thanks menggggggg | ||
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On July 20 2017 08:03 Luolis wrote: Something something GSL format That has its own issues. That will leave people complaining for ages on end. Bottom line is this system tests your skills against a range of styles and opponents so the most complete teams atleast in theory should go through on average. There shouldnt be any "easy" games. In reality there can be but maybe with the exception of Vega (and lol Faze), no team was consistently out of their depth. | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:55 Luolis wrote: BIG vs SK or BIG vs Gambit ty. No astralis in my finals thanks) I think Gambits going to lose against fnatic. Zeus has never beat this fnatic in bo3 afaik. fnatic is looking average at best but its going to be their second semis at major this year. perhaps they are looking average to me because i dont like the way they play... i just find them boring since they are not a very tactical team like astralis/SK/BIG/Gambit. | ||
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On July 20 2017 08:30 Epoxide wrote: Bo3 round robin with one giant 16 team group, top 8 advance problem solved lul I agree that would be the fairest way to do it. Month long major lets GO! | ||
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On July 20 2017 07:43 Rebs wrote: Not all teams get to play all tournaments for various reasons (like Gambit) Just wondering, what is the reason Gambit has not been playing more? Visa issues? | ||
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How does it even work? Astralis and SK are bout 3-1 Should if anything be switched with North vs SK and Astralis vs VP BIG & Gambit 3-0 should face a 3-2 team which is VP/Fnatic/Immortals which fine Which leaves VP 3-2. SK 3-1. Astralis 3-1. North 3.1 VP played North and SK played Astralis why not just make it SK vs VP/North and Astralis vs the other XD | ||
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Which means the format works quite well in regards to "best teams advance" if you think that legends is indeed that important (as a lot of ppl here were trying to say) and you want to bias the draw towards them then you need to rethink as the format as it is still favors the legends. Previous major 6 legends retained and 2 got replaced - Liquid and F3 out and North & Faze in. tldr - the swiss format does his job in retaining the legends and creeping up the best teams from the challengers. | ||
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Should be to find the best team, having arguably the best two teams in the RO8 (current Major champions and IEM World Champions vs the team in the best form who have won the last 3 lan's they have attended) seems abit wrong no matter how they fared in the BO1!!!!! group stage system. Give me GSL Group stage which is bo1 until losers and winners matches when its bo3. That the only way this system is fair if you can't have a full bo3 all the time, which i can understand why you can't or in CSGO it would literally take 3 weeks to do a 16 team lan event lol | ||
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On July 20 2017 18:08 bluzi wrote: FYI from the legends 6 teams retained and only 2 got replaced - Navi & Faze out and IMT & BiG are in. Which means the format works quite well in regards to "best teams advance" if you think that legends is indeed that important (as a lot of ppl here were trying to say) and you want to bias the draw towards them then you need to rethink as the format as it is still favors the legends. Previous major 6 legends retained and 2 got replaced - Liquid and F3 out and North & Faze in. tldr - the swiss format does his job in retaining the legends and creeping up the best teams from the challengers. Retaining the legends shouldn't be a "goal". I want the best teams to win and advance, not the former legends. Even more so considering the fact that there's six months between majors now, and that legend status is basically useless as an indicator of how good a team is. Let's take BIG for example. Yes, they had an incredible run so far. But they've only proven that they're good on inferno. In any Bo3 I'd still favor Cloud9 over BIG to beat nearly any opponent right now. I agree with Pande, GSL would be better with Bo3 matches as soon as there's either a spot in the playoffs or elimination, at stake. | ||
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On July 20 2017 18:38 Ragnarork wrote: Retaining the legends shouldn't be a "goal". I want the best teams to win and advance, not the former legends. Even more so considering the fact that there's six months between majors now, and that legend status is basically useless as an indicator of how good a team is. Let's take BIG for example. Yes, they had an incredible run so far. But they've only proven that they're good on inferno. In any Bo3 I'd still favor Cloud9 over BIG to beat nearly any opponent right now. I agree with Pande, GSL would be better with Bo3 matches as soon as there's either a spot in the playoffs or elimination, at stake. How would you decide the GSL groups ? if you go by the legends status which you seem to believe is wrong then there isn't any good way to seed them , unless you want to give up on the legends idea which will lead to the chaos that we have in Dota2 regarding invites and what not , i like it when its CLEAR who gets invited and who isn't. As i said , for me the elimination is the only BO3 , because the 2-1 and 2-0 teams also playing BO3 is crazy long (for playoffs as you suggested). I mentioned the legends retention because some poster above me suggested that its not fair for the legends to play each other while the challangers play each other in the swiss format (and also in the playoffs) , so i replied in saying that if it was "unfair" then more legends would be replaced by the challengers and its clearly not the case. And having a dark horse happens (BiG) , other teams could've banned inferno if they felt its their only map. I agree that i want the best teams to advance , its everyone goals but you need to take into account timelines , and for me the current format works really well , it can be better with eliminations being Bo3 but i can see that prolonging the tourney to be a long one. What teams do you feel is underserving and which is deserving in the current lineup ? how many "misses" this format had in this Major ? | ||
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Astralis North Big Mouz VP Faze G2 Immortals Fnatic Gambit Vega Penta SK Navi F3 C9 Something like that, you get 1 stupidly tough group i guess like the SK group there but if its BO1 first match, then bo3 winners losers final match you get to play all groups game 1 and winners matches day 1 of lan. Then day 2 all losers matches bo3. Then day 3 all Final matches. Which still only works as playing 4x bo3 a day after the hectic first day! In your last question for me BIG would not got top seed not saying wouldn't have gotten out but wouldn't have taken top seed for sure in a GSL system probably. Faze i doubt would have went out in a b3 losers / final match. The seeding i used for groups was based on top 4 get 1 group each from last major, then the other 4 get put in after it randomly. | ||
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On July 20 2017 19:51 Pandemona wrote: My Groups would have been 2x Legend 2x Challenger x 4 groups so like; Astralis North Big Mouz VP Faze G2 Immortals Fnatic Gambit Vega Penta SK Navi F3 C9 Something like that, you get 1 stupidly tough group i guess like the SK group there but if its BO1 first match, then bo3 winners losers final match you get to play all groups game 1 and winners matches day 1 of lan. Then day 2 all losers matches bo3. Then day 3 all Final matches. Which still only works as playing 4x bo3 a day after the hectic first day! In your last question for me BIG would not got top seed not saying wouldn't have gotten out but wouldn't have taken top seed for sure in a GSL system probably. Faze i doubt would have went out in a b3 losers / final match. As I asked Rag , what injustice happened in this tourney ? which teams were deserving and which weren't to advance? | ||
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The imo the top bracket is way better than the bottom half. Gambit look very very good and solid, then you add SK and Astralis meaning the final could be another one sided affair with a weaker team in it. Quite easily could have BIG/immortals vs North and winner of that is in the grand finals of a major without having to face a top notch team (if VP turn into what we seen the last 3 months xD) But again Injustice is a way to strong word for this, just i have always always been a strong advocate of making any sort of BO1 system disappear because you get way to much random results. You follow Dota as well so it would be like TI7 turning into a bo1 swiss style tournament and the top 8 advance to a bo3 single elimination tournament...it doesn't work as you know in that game (as well as every other esport) that winning a bo1 say EG vs Planet Dog (hellraisers now) could quite easily happen and EG one of the most consistent teams this year could go out etc etc. Used to trigger me in Starcraft 2 when tournaments were putting bo1 groups and it doesn't work it is 1 6 pool and your tournament life could be over, it doesn't make the best even/spectacle. | ||
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On July 20 2017 19:51 Pandemona wrote: My Groups would have been 2x Legend 2x Challenger x 4 groups so like; Astralis North Big Mouz VP Faze G2 Immortals Fnatic Gambit Vega Penta SK Navi F3 C9 Something like that, you get 1 stupidly tough group i guess like the SK group there but if its BO1 first match, then bo3 winners losers final match you get to play all groups game 1 and winners matches day 1 of lan. Then day 2 all losers matches bo3. Then day 3 all Final matches. Which still only works as playing 4x bo3 a day after the hectic first day! In your last question for me BIG would not got top seed not saying wouldn't have gotten out but wouldn't have taken top seed for sure in a GSL system probably. Faze i doubt would have went out in a b3 losers / final match. The seeding i used for groups was based on top 4 get 1 group each from last major, then the other 4 get put in after it randomly. The main drawback to your suggestion is actually what you are trying to prevent , which is relying on the legend status for ranking as you stated before they are unreliable , this will create cases where the challenger teams which should be ranked very high are all of the sudden the best team in the group and you might have the best 3 teams in one group. Swiss has better spread i feel and as i said before if we do losers Bo3 then its the best format (better then GSL to my opinion). I like that you need to lose to 3 different teams that progressively lost then just 2 (GSL) to be out. | ||
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On July 20 2017 20:01 Pandemona wrote: Injustice might be to strong of wording but it's more that the grand final game of Astralis vs SK who both went 3W 1L in a bo1 format are now facing off in the RO8 where you get BIG vs Immortals and one of them is getting further than Astralis/SK this tournament. The imo the top bracket is way better than the bottom half. Gambit look very very good and solid, then you add SK and Astralis meaning the final could be another one sided affair with a weaker team in it. Quite easily could have BIG/immortals vs North and winner of that is in the grand finals of a major without having to face a top notch team (if VP turn into what we seen the last 3 months xD) But again Injustice is a way to strong word for this, just i have always always been a strong advocate of making any sort of BO1 system disappear because you get way to much random results. You follow Dota as well so it would be like TI7 turning into a bo1 swiss style tournament and the top 8 advance to a bo3 single elimination tournament...it doesn't work as you know in that game (as well as every other esport) that winning a bo1 say EG vs Planet Dog (hellraisers now) could quite easily happen and EG one of the most consistent teams this year could go out etc etc. Used to trigger me in Starcraft 2 when tournaments were putting bo1 groups and it doesn't work it is 1 6 pool and your tournament life could be over, it doesn't make the best even/spectacle. As i stated before the QF being the Semi`s is a reasonable complaint but it had some randomness in it , you assume wrongfully that in a GSL format SK will be first and Astralis will be first as well so the current scenario won't happen , you are predicting results that were never played , i will give you a simple example , SK vs BiG first BO1 in the GSL format , BiG wins on inferno (could happen ) then BiG goes to win vs whoever on the other side and SK goes 2nd , we have the same thing no ?The Bo1 in the GSL format will cause the same thing. Also Dota2 have Bo1 in losers brackets in TI no ? Also TI is vastly longer event , as stated numerous times if you had 1 more week you could've done better to reduce variance, sure. | ||
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The Legend status groups are fine though as you can't get a fair seeding system to make the groups. The legend system for a bo1 format isn't very fair. In the groups i made just is there any group there where its unbalanced, i don't think so imo anyway. Looks like it wouldn't be perfect but can you at least see where im coming from with a bo1 system not being the best way to determine who the best teams are and it can be extremely "random" results wise? Yeah in Dota 2 TI loser bracket used to be BO1 as a punishment for finishing that way in the group play phase | ||
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A group would have a team that made top 4, a team that made top 8, a team that qualified 3-0 (or 2-0 in groups) at the qualifier, and a team that qualified 3-1/3-2 (or 2-1 in groups). I don't really like it either, but I feel it's less prone to upsets. Ideally I'd like something closer to TI, with round robin that eliminates maybe one or two teams, and seed the rest in a bracket according to their placement. And no bo1. Bo2 or Bo3. But time & money are always in the way. I'm not saying upsets are bad, but I'd rather see less of them due to Bo1. Also, to answer that: What teams do you feel is underserving and which is deserving in the current lineup ? how many "misses" this format had in this Major ? I don't think teams are "undeserving" per se. And misses are, ultimately, teams that fuck up somehow. Like technically there should be one legend less here and FaZe in, but somehow they completely flopped. But still, I also see that BIG qualified on the back of one map and that it wasn't insta-banned against them is normal, as their strength on the map showed progressively through the groups, and eventually against SK. I also see that IMT qualified by beating Na'Vi, Flipsid3 and Vega, which is certainly not the hardest of runs. You also have cases like Fnatic and G2, which had a similar run to 2-2, facing both Na'Vi and Astralis. Then I'd rank Gambit + C9 as stronger opponents than F3 + VP. In the end, I think it sucks that a bo1 decided between these two teams who would go to playoffs and who would not. | ||
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On July 20 2017 08:25 Mensol wrote: I think Gambits going to lose against fnatic. Zeus has never beat this fnatic in bo3 afaik. fnatic is looking average at best but its going to be their second semis at major this year. perhaps they are looking average to me because i dont like the way they play... i just find them boring since they are not a very tactical team like astralis/SK/BIG/Gambit. I have to always found them boring to watch. Never thought about them being not very tactical. Explains it. | ||
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On July 20 2017 08:25 Mensol wrote: I think Gambits going to lose against fnatic. Zeus has never beat this fnatic in bo3 afaik. fnatic is looking average at best but its going to be their second semis at major this year. perhaps they are looking average to me because i dont like the way they play... i just find them boring since they are not a very tactical team like astralis/SK/BIG/Gambit. I think Gambit'll be fine vs Fnatic. They have better structure, better strats and almost as good individuals. | ||
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I feel it's better now with JW coming back to his usual antics. Adds some flashiness to Fnatic's play. | ||
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On July 20 2017 23:45 Sableyeah wrote: It's a Major... Let's take 2 weeks to host the event so it's possible to BO3 Meh i would be bored as hell if this would take 2 weeks. Just make it GSL groups with bo3 for loser and decider and it should be fine. | ||
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On July 20 2017 23:13 Muffloe wrote: TIL playing from your HEART is boring I have PTSD from that style of play after playing with finnish teams :D | ||
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On July 21 2017 01:24 Luolis wrote: Meh i would be bored as hell if this would take 2 weeks. Just make it GSL groups with bo3 for loser and decider and it should be fine. They did that, I can still hear people whining about "groups of death" .. | ||
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On July 21 2017 03:04 Rebs wrote: They did that, I can still hear people whining about "groups of death" .. Idiots will always whine | ||
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On July 21 2017 21:06 Pontual wrote: Stop the echo pls, why do they need to get audio from casters mic and also the arena? They want to make you feel "sitting in the arena". I hate it. | ||
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On July 21 2017 23:13 Brett wrote: Lol what a throw from gambit Fnatic throws it back anyways meh none of these teams is going to win the major but they're giving each other a good run for the money | ||
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On July 21 2017 23:14 beentheredonethat wrote: Fnatic throws it back anyways meh none of these teams is going to win the major but they're giving each other a good run for the money True lol | ||
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I cant see any reason Gambit cant win it .. Aside from the obvious issue of pressure. In terms of ability they have shown plenty. Fnatic is not a terrible team, maybe not championship level. Gambit is unbeaten so far. You can only beat what you play. | ||
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On July 21 2017 23:16 Rebs wrote: I cant see any reason Gambit cant win it .. Aside from the obvious issue of pressure. In terms of ability they have shown plenty. Fnatic is not a terrible team, maybe not championship level. Gambit is unbeaten so far. You can only beat what you play. I don't think Gambit is on Tier 1 level but then again they're right now working hard at proving me wrong | ||
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or how tall of a man is adren | ||
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On July 21 2017 23:19 BrownBear wrote: Gambit wins the honor of getting stomped by SK/Astralis. I'm just glad we won't have to watch Fnatic anymore. Doesnt matter who they play, Gambit will rarely ever get stomped. They probably wont beat SK/Astralis but they wont get stomped. | ||
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On July 21 2017 23:20 Rebs wrote: Doesnt matter who they play, Gambit will rarely every get stomped. They probably wont beat SK/Astralis but they wont get stomped. Yeah, Gambit are just solid. Like the old Zeus-Navi | ||
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 fnaticthanks for proving me wrong Gambit. Zeus put it end to his losing streak against fnatic in bo3s. | ||
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They have the skills, they have a great igl, they have a way to play csgo. | ||
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On July 21 2017 23:23 Faruko wrote: The only reason i dont see gambit winning the major would be mostly because pressure could get to them (those last shots by mou, if that wasnt the last round of the match he would ahve hit that shot 100%) They have the skills, they have a great igl, they have a way to play csgo. Those whiffs by Mou were legit pressure. You could see he was struggling so hard. But the rest of the squad have been absolutely nerveless. Does Dosia look like someone who takes pressure !?? I DONT THINK SO ! Mid round clutching vs Fnatic (who did a terrible job, didnt feel like phalanx fnatic at all) over and over. Maybe Fnatic was being bad but the confidence from winning them in high stakes games will go a long way. Fnatic may have done them a favor raising their confidence individually. | ||
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On July 22 2017 00:25 Ysellian wrote: That was so bad from Astralis. That was a "get caught with your pants down after pussying out when trying to assert your dominance." | ||
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On July 22 2017 00:37 Ragnarork wrote: This game is happening way too soon... I don't mind at all ^^ | ||
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On July 22 2017 00:46 BrownBear wrote: Device throwing down the gauntlet. SK collectively picking it up though in the final round | ||
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On July 22 2017 00:56 Rebs wrote: Fallen is whiffing alot. He cant do that and get away with it on cache, once there is a hole in the defense everyone else will just get smothered. Yeah especially as he and Taco both were on A with awps and both whiffed all shots. | ||
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On July 22 2017 01:04 Luolis wrote: What the fuck SK. Why did you rotate everyone into A. wtf... Pressure and gambles? Im gonna call this 2-0 Astralis. Fallen in this form is not good enough. And even if he raises his game on Overpass that will be hard as it is. | ||
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On July 22 2017 01:05 Rebs wrote: Pressure and gambles? Im gonna call this 2-0 Astralis. Fallen in this form is not good enough. And even if he raises his game on Overpass that will be hard as it is. Yeah i just dont understand why they would gamble that especially AFTER they already killed a dude from A main and made it a 4v4. | ||
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On July 22 2017 01:06 Luolis wrote: Yeah i just dont understand why they would gamble that especially AFTER they already killed a dude from A main and made it a 4v4. Thats why I said pressure. Pressure makes you do things you shouldnt. | ||
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Regarding the gamble thing, yeah i understand its because of pressure, just weird that possibly the worlds best team goes for that kind of a yolo gamble even pressured. | ||
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Fallen god Felps god Who's turn next? | ||
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On July 22 2017 01:13 Pandemona wrote: Cold god Fallen god Felps god Who's turn next? TACO 1v4 | ||
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On July 22 2017 01:13 Pandemona wrote: Cold god Fallen god Felps god Who's turn next? You missed TACO god earlier | ||
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On July 22 2017 01:14 Faruko wrote: maybe im wrong but... you know he is coming from A main why peek ? just play the angles and the crossfire They wanted to double peek him so they have a free 2v1 but they timed their peeks wrong. | ||
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On July 22 2017 01:15 Ysellian wrote: Yeah, no reason for it. Especially with the bomb down. Still SK money is crazy low. When your guys are God clutching 1v2s that will catch up to you eventually. | ||
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On July 22 2017 01:21 Luolis wrote: Honestly SK was not looking like they should at all in that game. Losing so many aimduels they shouldn't, their CT-defaults especially just looking kind of bad. Hopefully they have something better for the 2 other maps because this looked bad. Yeah there were Fnaticing themsevles to stay in that game. Didnt look like a good game from them at all. | ||
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On July 22 2017 01:45 Luolis wrote: Way too close but they saved it The composure on the retake though ooof. This is such high level mid round play. | ||
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On July 22 2017 01:46 Rebs wrote: The composure on the retake though ooof. This is such high level mid round play. Yeah Fallen really saved it by baiting Device | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:06 Luolis wrote: Guess not, SK is just looking shit. Fucking hell They are going for alot of win the round plays because the clock is so low and Astralis is just holding angles. "Coldzera defused the bomb with less than 1 second left." | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:07 Luolis wrote: On another hand people who say that this game is the real final and the winner of this game will win the major really annoy me. yeah, im not big on either sk or astralis. hoping vp/gambit, maybe big, can save it | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:11 Luolis wrote: Fallen not having a good game. If it was Allu people would already call -him +Oskar or something retarded. Allu doesnt ingame lead. Im totally down for - Allu + Oskar :p | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:11 Rebs wrote: Allu doesnt ingame lead. Im totally down for - Allu + Oskar :p -Allu +Oskar would actually be retarded (though that doesnt have anything to do with this game so i guess we shouldnt talk about that). | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:12 Brett wrote: Felps just feeding this match Hes been forced to make alot of those plays. Hes never been the first one picked. Thats usually been Fallen Fer or Taco. | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:20 dmnum wrote: astralis actually broke sk Yep have to agree. Takes alot to do that but everything about there play was far superior, mostly the composure. The preparation was also completely on point starting from the Veto's to the actual maps. To each players individual roles . Xyp lurks, Device picks. Everything was like they knew what to look for and when. Sk havent been dominated like this in the past few tournaments. Its hard to comeback from it sometimes. | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:10 Epoxide wrote: device really has been owning fallen so far that's a meme I haven't heard in a long time but for real, FUCK! SK ((( I don't like Astralis.Well, this is VP's for the taking now )))) | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:50 Faruko wrote: The fact that some think that Astralis won because luck is mind blowing lol Who thinks that :O | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:24 Brett wrote: Every bit of timing, every bit of luck just going Astralis' way. Astralis out playing them now but feels like ST got tilted from the early bl and some random people on HLTV, but its hltv anyway ok maybe i went too far lol but honestly i didnt see any luck, Astralis read SK the entire match | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:56 Pandemona wrote: Was some lucky shots though, you telling me Dupreeh headshot wallbang on cold was all planning and reading xD a lot of wallbang arent exactly luck, hitting the shot can be considered luck but come on, everyone spam those, it was bound to hit one | ||
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SK weren't at all at there best after like round 8 on Overpass but on Cache they were just getting a bit unlucky. Like the casters were even saying, some of the 1v1 duels or just straight up positional play was favorable you might seem. Device always in position to take out Fallen was 80% him reading up on where Fallen goes and then guessing well, but also the one evident where he had a better spawn for that pick was also evident. | ||
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On July 22 2017 02:54 Faruko wrote: and some random people on HLTV, but its hltv anyway ok maybe i went too far lol but honestly i didnt see any luck, Astralis read SK the entire match Guess you missed the part where I said they were outplaying them by that point, but hey, just read what you want! | ||
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On July 22 2017 03:18 Pandemona wrote: Not banning inferno vs BIG has to be stupid unless you think they are not that good on it...but even so, just ban it make them play something else. I guess they really dont want to play nuke? Though if i recall correctly BIG autobans nuke anyway so i dunno :D | ||
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On July 22 2017 03:25 Luolis wrote: Yea there were sound issues for a sec. Thanks! | ||
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On July 22 2017 03:24 Ysellian wrote: Is it me or were there sound issues? Yea there were sound issues for a sec. | ||
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On July 22 2017 03:33 Luolis wrote: Legija, Gob b and Tabsen all use a wireless mouse. Wireless mouse > wired mouse anyway because its more comfortable to move around. Wireless master race ))) If the wire tug is really that big an issue you can always just use a cord holder. Judging hard. | ||
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On July 22 2017 03:35 Rebs wrote: If the wire tug is really that big an issue you can always just use a cord holder. Judging hard. Cord holder hasn't helped me aswell. I've suffered with that problem for like many years, i'll gladly buy a wireless next when i have money :D | ||
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On July 22 2017 03:36 Luolis wrote: Cord holder hasn't helped me aswell. I've suffered with that problem for like many years, i'll gladly buy a wireless next when i have money :D My next sigbet with you is definitively going to have something to do with this ! | ||
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On July 22 2017 03:51 Rebs wrote: My next sigbet with you is definitively going to have something to do with this ! What can i say, im talking with experience) | ||
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On July 22 2017 04:20 Luolis wrote: BIG making some amateur mistakes. How can they take that long to execute A ffs You dont fuck with the "best" cbble team in the world lel... | ||
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On July 22 2017 04:41 Luolis wrote: BIGs nades are disgusting :D Thats why Legija is in the team, he literally sits and practices nades all day for every situation. Not just set smokes and stuff. | ||
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On July 22 2017 06:08 Luolis wrote: Wtf is happening BIG. Complete meltdown. Anti stratted in the start. Players failing later. ohh that fail spray on Balc lost the round. SHould be an easy 2k at that level. | ||
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On July 22 2017 07:51 Rebs wrote: its so sad this game is so late and the Poles dgaf.. you disappoint me Krakow they got kicked out, theyre not allowed in the venue this late ) | ||
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edit* Btw taunting is not lame, its part of LAN culture which is basically the origin of eSports. They have booths atleast. PCs back to back and trashtalking face to face. | ||
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On July 22 2017 07:55 Laserist wrote: To be honest, booth to booth trash talk is really lame and disturbing. As long as it does get personal i'm fine. Game ends trash talk ends. | ||
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On July 22 2017 07:58 Pontual wrote: As long as it does get personal i'm fine. Game ends trash talk ends. Yeah I'm fine with it. At lan parties we'd trash talk all the time once things got heated. | ||
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On July 22 2017 08:00 Ysellian wrote: Yeah I'm fine with it. At lan parties we'd trash talk all the time once things got heated. I think trash talk ingame is great. As long as you dont insult the other guy directly. The rush is pretty epic. doesnt matter what level you are at as long as it matters to you. | ||
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On July 22 2017 08:00 Ysellian wrote: Yeah I'm fine with it. At lan parties we'd trash talk all the time once things got heated. + Show Spoiler + Trash talk is awesome, even if it is only for the chance of the bully getting beaten. And its way better then all that cringeworthy post/pre/inbetween games stuff that get run. I would also like to have the crappy table+chair lans back. Nothong beats a singing and taunting TaZ that rubs it into the face of his opponents. | ||
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Also, fuck off anyone that think BIG won only with the jump crouch. Because that's clearly not the case. | ||
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Oh well at least it was a stupidly entertaining game but still, i think they have used there "one time" with that major performance | ||
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Second to last day, let's go! Banking on North. | ||
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On July 22 2017 20:04 Pandemona wrote: Oh new uniforms for VP? Look very different Polish flag version. | ||
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On July 22 2017 21:06 beentheredonethat wrote: North go home already. I'm not liking that k0nfig toxicitiy k0nfig is not toxic? OT: how is north communicating so badly... ? | ||
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On July 22 2017 12:19 BrownBear wrote: So long, Bug You won't be missed.Bet youre a salty c9 fan) | ||
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But right now, I don't get how they can be this bad. They've got everything they need on paper. Great players, a great IGL, a decent coach, a great structure behind them. And then you see them in situations where you even wonder if they communicate... VP now... I'm yet again impressed, because they closed such a big gap in terms of performance, I honestly didn't think it'd be possible this time. | ||
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On July 22 2017 22:43 Mensol wrote: Gambit are so good ffs. come on astralis. Astralis like ArsenLUL and not even in the same game | ||
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https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/6n282a/hours_played_of_csgo_in_the_past_2_weeks_by_all/ | ||
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On July 22 2017 23:17 PhoenixVoid wrote: Not sure if anyone posted this, but damn, Gambit put in their hours for this Major. https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/6n282a/hours_played_of_csgo_in_the_past_2_weeks_by_all/ lol zeus 200 h | ||
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There is a disclaimer at the bottom. Its kinda of ridiculous to suggest you play 15 hours a day/ | ||
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On July 22 2017 23:33 phagga wrote: I just stumbled over this Gambit video, not sure if this was already posted, but I love it! + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43q7Qj_NKCU Gambit is quickly becoming my 2nd favourite team ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | ||
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On July 23 2017 00:04 Rebs wrote: midair HS from Xyp falling out game. Even the X God gets CSGO'ed it was brutal | ||
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On July 23 2017 00:11 Mensol wrote: astralis rotations giving me chills. gla1ve is a mastermind. Ehh not really, its relies entirely on the players they put on the extremities to sell the presence so teams never know. It also helps when they keep getting kills on their own. If Xyp dies or gets pinched they can rotate where ever they wont it doesnt matter. Edit: see round 14, this time the player on the other split got picked and the "rotation got dumpstered." edit: round 30. Dupreeh literally sells an entire push by himself with set smokes. | ||
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On July 23 2017 00:29 Rebs wrote: https://clips.twitch.tv/WonderfulFineSparrowKeepo The X God eats and the people cheer... The ladies want him, the guys wanna be like him | ||
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On July 23 2017 00:27 Pandemona wrote: Gambit are way in favor here though, that CT side was more than enough to take it to them as T. Going to go to the wire this map and i think they will step up and take it 16-14 or something Thanks braah, Englishman with their shitty predictions cursing the X God... If you make Plays without taking top Banna control and keeping players tied there teams will just over rotate you to death. Not a very good T side. The tactics are too basic the last 4-5 rounds. They are just hoping basic set smoke takes are going to win them the round. Astralis having none of it. lol Zeus take bomb Arch after your guy clears out site by himself. | ||
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On July 23 2017 01:30 Pandemona wrote: WTF he just killed....oh my Astralis?! Who cares, they have Device who can just kill your whole team. | ||
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On July 23 2017 01:32 Rebs wrote: Who cares, they have Device who can just kill your whole team. Well, hello there Thorin | ||
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On July 23 2017 01:36 Muffloe wrote: hey, thorin's not that bad.. his dev1ce-boner's tickled my funny bone for quite some time tho His Danish boners in general are actually bigger than Anders lol. Astraslis has actually been dominant on gun rounds (on both sides). 6 of gambits rounds are pistol based. They have an economy now, gonna take something big otherwise I think Astralis are going to roll this off. | ||
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On July 23 2017 01:55 Kipsate wrote: Gambit has 1 rifle round so far on T I think Well they only need 1 more and they play a force buy ! LETS FUCKING GOG 1!@! !!!!@! X GOODDDDDDD Regardless of the result two things are clear \ Sk Astralis would have been a really shitty final. (it wouldnt have been much different to what you saw yesterday) People complaining about matchups can shove it. | ||
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On July 23 2017 01:59 Muffloe wrote: zeus is a hero Somewhere NaVi's managers are crying themselves to sleep watching Zeus be amazing | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:03 BlackCompany wrote: Somewhere NaVi's managers are crying themselves to sleep watching Zeus be amazing and that thing makes me smile somehow :D | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:03 BlackCompany wrote: Somewhere NaVi's managers are crying themselves to sleep watching Zeus be amazing Hehe.. will be interesting to see what happens after the major, the zeus-stock is at an alltime high :-P | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:07 Muffloe wrote: Hehe.. will be interesting to see what happens after the major, the zeus-stock is at an alltime high :-P my guess is Gambit won't be affected by reshuffle even if they lose finals no reason for them i'd say | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:13 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: my guess is Gambit won't be affected by reshuffle even if they lose finals no reason for them i'd say yeah, i agree. no doubt na'vi will do all they can tho | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:17 Muffloe wrote: yeah, i agree. no doubt na'vi will do all they can tho basicly trading Guardian with Angel solves NaVi's IGL/structure problem seized may return to his previous role and Guardian plays with his friend Styko | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:21 Mensol wrote: At this point ESforce is going to give Zeus a blank cheque and tell him the get any player he want in CIS. Maybe but VP is doing great and I dont think he'll be going back to NaVi ... | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:21 Mensol wrote: At this point ESforce is going to give Zeus a blank cheque and tell him the get any player he want in CIS. kinda like how na'vi was first formed(iirc) :-P | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:22 Muffloe wrote: kinda like how na'vi was first formed(iirc) :-P yeah it was Kazakh millionaire Arbalet who gave blank cheque to starix and tell him to create CIS all-star team. | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:28 Mensol wrote: yeah it was Kazakh millionaire Arbalet who gave blank cheque to starix and tell him to create CIS all-star team. it was Marat Gumashvich, his kids had a big interest in cs 1.6 back in days, so he got involved eventually, and tbh did a great job in making dozen of tourneys with good prizemoney, as well as becoming a key factor in forming such popular brand as Na'Vi | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:22 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: basicly trading Guardian with Angel solves NaVi's IGL/structure problem seized may return to his previous role and Guardian plays with his friend Styko ange1 is not leaving HR. He have the shares of team. each HR player has signed two years contract at start of the year. They see it as a long-term project. | ||
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On July 23 2017 02:36 Mensol wrote: ange1 is not leaving HR. He have the shares of team. each HR player has signed two years contract at start of the year. They see it as a long-term project. well signing a contract does not guarantee a player stays no mattar what Na'Vi definitly got some money for paying full clausula if they want, and it seems HR made one step behind recently in terms of consistency | ||
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On July 23 2017 04:32 snow2.0 wrote: The crowd really is something. Reminds me of finnish crowds at the asus rog cs tournaments but in bigger scale :D | ||
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On July 23 2017 04:41 blobrus wrote: You can hear a pin drop when VP isn't doing well. This is hilarious. Nothing surprising, obviously theyre gonna cheer for their home team :D | ||
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On July 23 2017 04:42 Luolis wrote: Nothing surprising, obviously theyre gonna cheer for their home team :D I know, I love it. | ||
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On July 23 2017 04:46 Mensol wrote: it has to be Zeus best chance ever to win a major. gambit winning will be glorious | ||
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On July 23 2017 04:49 Muffloe wrote: Gambit vs Immortals, was there a single person in the world predicting that Don't they give out pickem stats later? We can get some idea from that. | ||
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On July 23 2017 04:42 Epoxide wrote: is royal road a thing in cs? It will be if Immortals win lol | ||
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Special mention to kNg especially, who posted extremely good performances, while a few months ago, he was fucking 9-16th at the copenhagen games qualifier... This guy is super promising. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ASGwHJE.gif) hope Gambit wins it | ||
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Gambit have beaten bigger and better teams than immortals this tournament. Immortals similarly eventually got over the line vs BIG who gave them a better fight than VP However with the way this tournament is going, the only winner will be the bookmakers and valve not having to give out gold/silver coins xD | ||
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On July 24 2017 00:19 FreakyDroid wrote: Man, NaVi cant catch a break even in CS ... 'Zeus was the problem' lol They kinda had it set up with starix tho, but things happened and they were left with seized as the mediocre igl | ||
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Come on Gambit, close it! | ||
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you are one map away from the major you deserve all long. | ||
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On July 24 2017 02:09 RuiBarbO wrote: So idk what you guys think, but it seems to me like that was some really sloppy play from both sides. Felt like Immortals were always in bad positions and just won rounds because they hit crazy shots from time to time or Gambit players were slow on the draw. I disagree.. | ||
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On July 24 2017 02:09 RuiBarbO wrote: So idk what you guys think, but it seems to me like that was some really sloppy play from both sides. Felt like Immortals were always in bad positions and just won rounds because they hit crazy shots from time to time or Gambit players were slow on the draw. I think its a mental thing as a spectator , when someones sees the highest rated team in the world play then every round they win is OMG and every clutch is crazy , some of the plays IMT did for example were indeed crazy individual skills which you need in the T1 of comp , when Cold does it ppl go crazy when KnG does it ppl call it luck , Gambit showed class in that CT side despite X-God playing really shaky defense at B vs a very capable T side team in IMT. We as spec are missing ALOT from the game , when a team rushes in , the counter nades the fakes , the cover to each other , Gambit players are really not slow on the draw , if they were they couldnt beat a team like Ast. You dont reach the finals while being "always in bad positions" you should give them much more credit , i bet my month salary that if i switched the names of the teams and the players and it was VP vs SK with VP winning the Train with the exact same plays we would be going crazy for this final and the hype would be through the roof , reading few pages in reddit and hltv (dear god is this the worst place on the internet ???) you could clearly see the bias against the "t3 teams in the fina" | ||
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) , going through hobbit and adren is hard as it gets , hope they wont and GAMBIT pulls it off!!! | ||
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nade in the face | ||
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Ok maybe not, what the F xD | ||
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On July 24 2017 02:54 Pandemona wrote: Immortals are back! We got a game on our hands Aaaand they're gone again ... xD | ||
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Haha i no idea what they did that last round oh well. CT gods inc! | ||
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On July 24 2017 02:57 Pandemona wrote: Haha i no idea what they did that last round oh well. CT gods inc! If they get that 2x AWP they are locking this out | ||
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this is not the way to go !!!! they are building the economy of IMT ! | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:10 Pandemona wrote: This tournament aka "Force buy > Win" xD Actually Gambit are bleeding all those force buys , the only one they won was a 4 AK buy ! | ||
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E U S | ||
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PLEASE WHAT ARE THOSE JUMPS IN APT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:19 beentheredonethat wrote: I DON'T KNOW WHO SHOULD WIN THEY'LL ALL BE SO SAD IF THEY LOSE X_X Zeus is going to shoot himself if he loses a 14-9 lead with a CT partial buy | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:21 bluzi wrote: Zeus is going to shoot himself if he loses a 14-9 lead with a CT partial buy I am inclined towards hoping immortals win, just so this "zeus mastermind tactician"-meme dies... EDIT: Fuck, now I have to endure this nonsense for the next few month... Gratz to Gambit though, rather unexpected. CS is exiting again. | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:28 Mensol wrote: HObbit is about to cry, so is AdreN.. even im about to cry lol | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:28 Faruko wrote: HOBBIT I LOVE YOU, WHAT A GOD I think all the ppl who say Navi on suicide watch are crazy , i am 100% sure that ALL the Navi fans wanted Zeus to win and ALL the current Navi lineup wanted Zeus to win and are happy for him. | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:29 Kipsate wrote: so happy for Adren too, all those times he was in Hellraisers etc and just didn't give up then got to Gambit and now he is a major winner. This! Everyone talking about Zeus, but AdreN deserves it just as much. | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:29 bluzi wrote: I think all the ppl who say Navi on suicide watch are crazy , i am 100% sure that ALL the Navi fans wanted Zeus to win and ALL the current Navi lineup wanted Zeus to win and are happy for him. I'm a NaVi fan and couldn't be happier that Zeus won that tournament. Comeback ??? | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:29 bluzi wrote: I think all the ppl who say Navi on suicide watch are crazy , i am 100% sure that ALL the Navi fans wanted Zeus to win and ALL the current Navi lineup wanted Zeus to win and are happy for him. Im so happy for Zeus and the boys, hobbit, adren, dosia, mou, all worked their asses off to win this But zeus man, a new chapter in his legendary carreer | ||
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Henn1 Lucas1 and KNG are extremely talented though, not saying they should do some roster changes but if Boltz and Steel stepped up to there level they would be crazy good in clutches. They showed how good they are with that dominate performance on Cobble one of the hardest maps to master imo. Gambit probably the most consistent team in the tournament though so credit is due to them. | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:29 bluzi wrote: I think all the ppl who say Navi on suicide watch are crazy , i am 100% sure that ALL the Navi fans wanted Zeus to win and ALL the current Navi lineup wanted Zeus to win and are happy for him. These people are the ones that think teams should be able to foresee the future, and that making a CS team is just a puzzle game about fitting differently shaped pieces together. | ||
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navi just failed to put a igl in the game, as i think a decent IGL (instead of edward) in this line up would win a major no problem | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:44 Faruko wrote: Zeus wasnt working, anyone saying otherwise its dead wrong, of course it wasnt the "brand" but the players navi had navi just failed to put a igl in the game, as i think a decent IGL (instead of edward) in this line up would win a major no problem Problem back then was that Starix was igling as a coach so Zeus was just doing basic support player stuff. | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:47 Faruko wrote: csgo crowd is just the best there is in esports, its in a whole other league Agreed , its also the best Esport to watch as a casual and hardcore , tons of action , tons of big plays , great competitive balance as the game is kinda symmetric , its damn intensive as well as the decisions and plays are split seconds and surprising , for instance in Dota (my other esport im following) you have a quiet time at the start and until you start seeing things happen it takes a while , also there are LONG periods of time that nothing really happening in the game. For me CS 1.6 was the best (as i was a kid and also played a ton) and now csgo is back on top of my fav games to watch. I can barely watch a full dota tournament anymore , i skip most games and watch some highlights , but this major i watched a ton (also at work ) and enjoyed it very much , oh and also Zeus is a god. | ||
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On July 20 2017 10:20 Sableyeah wrote: Woohoooooo crazy draws! Gambit > fnatic Astralis < SK BIG > Immortals (if tabseN shows form which he will!) North < Virtus Pro Might aswell have BIG in finals :D Anddduh Gambit wins it if they make finals => EZ!!!! FUCK YEAH SO HAPPY FOR ZEUS AND GRATS ADREN! | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:39 BeaTeR wrote: Happy for Adren, very long path to this trophy, did you guys know his first international experience came from wcg 2005 when his team lost to 3D in the finals yeah K23 in shitty ass source. I saw that tournament. Also Hobbit hugging Dosia is the cutest thing I have ever seen in counterstrike, | ||
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On July 24 2017 03:56 bluzi wrote: Agreed , its also the best Esport to watch as a casual and hardcore , tons of action , tons of big plays , great competitive balance as the game is kinda symmetric , its damn intensive as well as the decisions and plays are split seconds and surprising , for instance in Dota (my other esport im following) you have a quiet time at the start and until you start seeing things happen it takes a while , also there are LONG periods of time that nothing really happening in the game. For me CS 1.6 was the best (as i was a kid and also played a ton) and now csgo is back on top of my fav games to watch. I can barely watch a full dota tournament anymore , i skip most games and watch some highlights , but this major i watched a ton (also at work ) and enjoyed it very much , oh and also Zeus is a god.Yeah, csgo had a very rough start, but look where it is right now. Every single round has something exciting going, there's not single moment to actually catch breath in csgo, even low level csgo can be fun to watch | ||
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On July 24 2017 06:59 beentheredonethat wrote: credit where credit is due. but tbh immortals got into the final beating BIG and VP which is like not the hardest thing to do. Immortals are tier two (solid tier two though). Gambit - their performance was astonishing. I think we'll have to watch out for them over the next months. But for IMT, I'm fairly sure we became witness of a fluke. Immortals has way more silverware prior to this. Their biggest criticism has been the fact that they havnet qualified for majors when they should. Both teams are just as likely to full off or kick on. I find this "they played X" and they played "y" absolutely flabbergasting. There are very few easy opponents at this this level anymore I absolutely loathe people who devalue performances based on opponents. You can only play what you are faced up against. People did the same with the SK wins putting in "qualifiers" for how strong the opposition was. Bullshit | ||
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On July 24 2017 06:59 beentheredonethat wrote: credit where credit is due. but tbh immortals got into the final beating BIG and VP which is like not the hardest thing to do. Immortals are tier two (solid tier two though). Gambit - their performance was astonishing. I think we'll have to watch out for them over the next months. But for IMT, I'm fairly sure we became witness of a fluke. well you always have a part of luck when it comes to bracket and path, that's the case in most esport or sport games - but they did what they had to do, and beating VP with the whole crowd cheering against you is quite a performance brazilian CS amazes me, specially about the fact that they are far from europe yet they were able to catch up na'vi staff lack of good judgement has been impressive so far, happy that zeus exposed them | ||
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On July 24 2017 07:09 Rebs wrote: Immortals has way more silverware prior to this. Their biggest criticism has been the fact that they havnet qualified for majors when they should. Both teams are just as likely to full off or kick on. I find this "they played X" and they played "y" absolutely flabbergasting. There are very few easy opponents at this this level anymore I absolutely loathe people who devalue performances based on opponents. You can only play what you are faced up against. People did the same with the SK wins putting in "qualifiers" for how strong the opposition was. Bullshit It has nothing to do with devalueing what they did! IMT did the best they could do (except beating Gambit) so of course they did a great job, and had they won the major, all kudos and all the glory to them. Nevertheless, the path they had was easier. In CS:GO, there is imho no clear no #1 to beat, there's rather a range of 2-4 teams which you should be able to at least compete with to be called a tier one team. I don't see IMT compete over more than one Bo3 with Astralis, SK, even Faze (granted that the early exit wasn't the start of a long term slump), and G2 on their good days. Consistency is key to be Tier 1 and if you go for that, you're left with Astralis and SK as clear tier 1 and then Faze > G2 and then the rest. I repeat, it's not devalueing the achievement they made. It's simply putting things into perspective. Because if you look at the major alone, then yes, IMT is #2 of the world and gambit is #1 in the world. But I'm fairly certain this is not how it is. On July 24 2017 07:14 Makro wrote: well you always have a part of luck when it comes to bracket and path, that's the case in most esport or sport games - but they did what they had to do, and beating VP with the whole crowd cheering against you is quite a performance brazilian CS amazes me, specially about the fact that they are far from europe yet they were able to catch up na'vi staff lack of good judgement has been impressive so far, happy that zeus exposed them Beating VP against that crows shows a mentality that is astonishing and impressive and basically confirms that these guys are ready to take on any major at any time, although this was in great parts their first one. | ||
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And yes, right now Gambit is #1 and IMT is #2, whatever you think they might or might not be is just theories that doesnt hold when you consider that in the thoughest tournament right now gambit was #1 and imt #2 | ||
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His plans where he uses just a tec9 or P250 even when he has enough money to buy a rifle on T-side is also something that's pretty much unheard of... | ||
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On July 27 2017 03:03 jojamon wrote: So happy for Zeus. He was clearly not the problem in Na'Vi His plans where he uses just a tec9 or P250 even when he has enough money to buy a rifle on T-side is also something that's pretty much unheard of... People do that for full nades on support players all the time. | ||
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On July 27 2017 03:07 Rebs wrote: People do that for full nades on support players all the time. But he had like 6k bank. He could easily afford a full buy. He would peek banana on Inferno to get info very fast. Sometimes he finds a pick then steals a gun and runs away. No other team really does that consistently. | ||
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On July 27 2017 03:09 jojamon wrote: But he had like 6k bank. He could easily afford a full buy. He would peek banana on Inferno to get info very fast. Sometimes he finds a pick then steals a gun and runs away. No other team really does that consistently. That seems like a low percentage greedy play. I dont see whats smart about that. But ok. | ||
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On July 27 2017 04:30 Rebs wrote: That seems like a low percentage greedy play. I dont see whats smart about that. But ok. He can play aggressive/scouting anti-eco and not risk losing a rifle to other time and potentially lose the game. | ||
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On August 01 2017 13:58 saddaromma wrote: He can play aggressive/scouting anti-eco and not risk losing a rifle to other time and potentially lose the game. Thats nothing new vs Anti Ecos. It is not super common, true, but think of players like Flusha. He has been doing that stuff in Anti Ecos and even full buy rounds for ages | ||
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Though sometimes I don't get why teams resort to that kind of decisions, and at the same time play kinda recklessly against ecos, without using their mollies, nade, etc to flush out close corners and ambush spots where a Five-seven. That's like textbook anti-eco stuff and yet.... Exactly the reason I would rather like full nades and a UMP in the second/third round than a naked AK + Armor. Having one is fine, if you can afford some nades as well. | ||
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Still it kind of makes sense if teams try to get their cash as far ahead as possible. Not using nades saves like 1k per player (assuming you use all your nades), directly buying an AK saves you the 1.2k for the UMP (even though SMG bonus money can be even better). But given the power of pistols i do favour your approach of UMP + nades and like 2 AKs | ||
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On August 01 2017 13:58 saddaromma wrote: He can play aggressive/scouting anti-eco and not risk losing a rifle to other time and potentially lose the game. Yeah what everyone else said. Being greedy vs anti ecos like that is nothing new. Alot of people do it for various reason again as everyone said, infact alot of them do it to get faster awps to drop/buy in the first gun rounds/ I thought you were implying he was deliberately buying pistons saving money even with full nades available on gun rounds which is a dumber play the more I think about. | ||
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