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On September 22 2017 01:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Destiny 1 had 25 million users in 2015, one year after release. Overwatch had 30 million.
Unless Bungee had the worst money management in game development history, it takes a lot of stretched logic to pretend it wasn't a financial success.
I agree with your point but I'm not sure if I agree with your reasoning. Like, to my understanding, Overwatch's "users" are inflated because of internet cafes and free weekends, Destiny doesn't have that, however those accounts could be counting 2nd hand Destiny things. Like if I bought The Taken King, I have an extra Destiny disc, I can give that to you, and you install it, now you're a Destiny account even though Bungie and Activision didnt make any money because its 2nd hand.
But I digress, I'm all for being skeptical Destiny 2 might have bombed or done well, but I can't possibly imagine a scenario where Destiny 1 did poorly, especially because Destiny is probably the only AAA game where we have a lot of the business deal known to the public, it's a 500m deal, which includes marketing the game, for 4 games across 10 years, of which we know Activision gets ~70% of that, they made 300m+ million a few days in the first installment, which only took 3 years to develop.
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On September 22 2017 01:29 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2017 01:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Destiny 1 had 25 million users in 2015, one year after release. Overwatch had 30 million.
Unless Bungee had the worst money management in game development history, it takes a lot of stretched logic to pretend it wasn't a financial success. I agree with your point but I'm not sure if I agree with your reasoning. Like, to my understanding, Overwatch's "users" are inflated because of internet cafes and free weekends, Destiny doesn't have that, however those accounts could be counting 2nd hand Destiny things. Like if I bought The Taken King, I have an extra Destiny disc, I can give that to you, and you install it, now you're a Destiny account even though Bungie and Activision didnt make any money because its 2nd hand.
Taken king was an add on that didn’t require the disk, but there was little reason to play the game without it once it was released. The number of users that would be added by this disk sharing scenario would be insignificant. Plus it was cheaper to buy Taken King as an expansion than buy a whole new copy of Destiny GoTY with Taken King.
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On September 22 2017 01:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Destiny 1 had 25 million users in 2015, one year after release. Overwatch had 30 million.
Unless Bungee had the worst money management in game development history, it takes a lot of stretched logic to pretend it wasn't a financial success.
the users in Destiny included people who played for free during free weekends. also, don't move the goalposts. the statement was "huge financial success". that is what i disagree with.
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On September 22 2017 02:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2017 01:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Destiny 1 had 25 million users in 2015, one year after release. Overwatch had 30 million.
Unless Bungee had the worst money management in game development history, it takes a lot of stretched logic to pretend it wasn't a financial success. the users in Destiny included people who played for free during free weekends. also, don't move the goalposts. the statement was "huge financial success". that is what i disagree with.
Citation needed. This information is given to stock holders in annual reports. I find it hard to believe that would slide past a legal department, but also be public knowledge.
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On September 22 2017 02:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2017 01:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Destiny 1 had 25 million users in 2015, one year after release. Overwatch had 30 million.
Unless Bungee had the worst money management in game development history, it takes a lot of stretched logic to pretend it wasn't a financial success. the users in Destiny included people who played for free during free weekends. also, don't move the goalposts. the statement was "huge financial success". that is what i disagree with.
Yes, because Overwatch never had free weekends.
Oh. Wait.
And let me move the goalpost back then...unless Bungee had the worst money management in game development history, it takes a lot of stretched logic to pretend it wasn't a huge financial success. Happy?
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On September 22 2017 03:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
ya, the problem is ATVI announced Overwatch hit 1 billion in revenue.
what are D1's revenue #s? so far we have "Hearthstone + Destiny revenue at $850 million".
Overwatch sold $565mil in 8 months.
Destiny sold $500mil in 1.
Overwatch's $1b announcement was after a full fiscal year.
Destiny/Hearthstone's was after 2 fiscal quarters.
Overwatch is obviously bigger than Destiny. Overwatch is also one of the biggest sellers in recent, or all time, history.
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On September 22 2017 03:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
ya, the problem is ATVI announced Overwatch hit 1 billion in revenue.
what are D1's revenue #s? so far we have "Hearthstone + Destiny revenue at $850 million".
That isn’t a problem. You are just confused.
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On September 22 2017 03:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Destiny sold $500mil in 1.
look up "sold into retail" and "sold through to customer" to understand what the $500 million # means.
Gamestop doesn't pay up front for games.
ATVI has already given a few revenue #s for D1 which should make it obvious they didn't make $500 million in 1 month. In the court case it was revealed 6.3 million units were sold in the first month which is congruent with the $325 million revenue # that ATVI released publicly.
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We have hit peak Jimmy “I believe what I want to believe.” Destiny failed by metrics as say by Jimmy.
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did i say D1 failed? where did i say that? i disagree with the comment D1 was a "huge financial success".
then i presented some facts and logic to back this viewpoint.
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So you are arguing that the PR statements might overstate its success? Does that really need to be proven?
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i'm disagreeing with a poster on here who stated the game was regarded a "huge financial success".
On September 21 2017 18:51 lestye wrote:
If they're not going to reveal numbers for the entirety of Destiny 1, which was regarded as a huge financial success, especially for a brand new franchise, I'm doubtful they'll reveal numbers for Destiny 2.
i think they'll reveal more concrete #s for Destiny 2 a week or two after the PC release. i think they'll do this because they like revealing big giant #s for maximum impact. by "more concrete" #s ... i'm referring to either units sold and/or revenue totals.
On September 22 2017 00:39 lestye wrote:
And I don't think your point holds up, so far, they've only made a big deal of Overwatch hitting a billion, and probably because it did so very quickly. Ultimately, if you still disagree with me, Kotick said they have 8 billion dollar franchises, so that should be super easy to find out and end this discussion :-P
the 8 billion dollar franchises are: CoD, WoW, Diablo, Skylanders, Guitar Hero, Candy Crush Saga, Hearthstone, and Pitfall!
it'll be interesting to see if Destiny becomes #9 before Destiny3 is released.
for clarity... i like reading lestye's posts. he/she makes many interesting observations. i just disagree with him/her on this point.
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If we compare Destiny to all of human history, it isn’t that big of deal. I don’t even know why there is a thread about it.
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On September 22 2017 03:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
did i say D1 failed? where did i say that? i disagree with the comment D1 was a "huge financial success".
then i presented some facts and logic to back this viewpoint.
Maybe you should stop and carefully summarize the point you are trying to make. You've gotten into these financial-side discussions, unprovoked, "because you find it fascinating". But no one is certain of the point you're intending to make, so it just sounds like you're dumping on the game. Don't be surprised when people get skeptical or defensive.
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On September 22 2017 04:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:i'm disagreeing with a poster on here who stated the game was regarded a "huge financial success". Show nested quote +On September 21 2017 18:51 lestye wrote:
If they're not going to reveal numbers for the entirety of Destiny 1, which was regarded as a huge financial success, especially for a brand new franchise, I'm doubtful they'll reveal numbers for Destiny 2.
i think they'll reveal more concrete #s for Destiny 2 a week or two after the PC release. i think they'll do this because they like revealing big giant #s for maximum impact. by "more concrete" #s ... i'm referring to either units sold and/or revenue totals.
And how wasn't it a huge financial success? It was one of the biggest new IP launches, it's something they boast about all the time. Even if I concede it didn't make a billion dollars, it still performed great.
Show nested quote +On September 22 2017 00:39 lestye wrote:
And I don't think your point holds up, so far, they've only made a big deal of Overwatch hitting a billion, and probably because it did so very quickly. Ultimately, if you still disagree with me, Kotick said they have 8 billion dollar franchises, so that should be super easy to find out and end this discussion :-P
the 8 billion dollar franchises are: CoD, WoW, Diablo, Skylanders, Guitar Hero, Candy Crush Saga, Hearthstone, and Pitfall!
Oh.... you were fucking with me. I think I'd like to get back on topic now.
Have any of you guys done the nightfall yet? I'm still doing the campaign but I saw on the subreddit the nightfall is getting a lot of hate.
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On September 22 2017 06:54 lestye wrote:
Oh.... you were fucking with me. I think I'd like to get back on topic now.
no i'm not. i don't think Destiny is a billion dollar franchise.
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People got real mad because it was timed this week. I wouldn't get to bent out of shape, it changes every week. The Raid has a couple issues with RNG, but people say it is what they want. And should still never have match making.
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On September 22 2017 07:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2017 06:54 lestye wrote:
Oh.... you were fucking with me. I think I'd like to get back on topic now.
no i'm not. i don't think Destiny is a billion dollar franchise.
And the only other person in this thread that even mentioned those words was just quoting Activision CEO as saying "we think it will be our next billion dollar franchise".
I'm usually not one for formalities or rigorous structure when it comes to posting on a casual gaming forum, but the reason you get into it with so many people in multiple different threads is because it's hard to know what you're trying to argue or why. Nothing you've posted since release has been about gameplay. You've bumped the thread with a random unprovoked comment/link about Destiny 2's financial situation three times (1, 2, 3). It comes across as though you are believe the game is underperforming, or even want it to underperform, whether or not either of those is actually the case.
If you're intending to argue that Destiny 2 must not be as great as everyone hoped because it didn't sell well or performed short of Activision's expectations, then you shouldn't be surprised if the people that are still posting in the thread (and therefore presumably enjoying it) disagree and think that it's a good game. It's not uncommon for games or films to profit heavily while still being critically panned, or to be very well-received but flop at the box office.
If you're just posting Forbes links tracking Destiny/Activision's week to week financial success (or failure) for no reason other than you yourself find it interesting, then I don't know what sort of responses you expect.
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On September 22 2017 10:20 Duka08 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2017 07:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 22 2017 06:54 lestye wrote:
Oh.... you were fucking with me. I think I'd like to get back on topic now.
no i'm not. i don't think Destiny is a billion dollar franchise. And the only other person in this thread that even mentioned those words was just quoting Activision CEO as saying "we think it will be our next billion dollar franchise". I'm usually not one for formalities or rigorous structure when it comes to posting on a casual gaming forum, but the reason you get into it with so many people in multiple different threads is because it's hard to know what you're trying to argue or why. Nothing you've posted since release has been about gameplay. You've bumped the thread with a random unprovoked comment/link about Destiny 2's financial situation three times ( 1, 2, 3). It comes across as though you are believe the game is underperforming, or even want it to underperform, whether or not either of those is actually the case. If you're intending to argue that Destiny 2 must not be as great as everyone hoped because it didn't sell well or performed short of Activision's expectations, then you shouldn't be surprised if the people that are still posting in the thread (and therefore presumably enjoying it) disagree and think that it's a good game. It's not uncommon for games or films to profit heavily while still being critically panned, or to be very well-received but flop at the box office. If you're just posting Forbes links tracking Destiny/Activision's week to week financial success (or failure) for no reason other than you yourself find it interesting, then I don't know what sort of responses you expect.
id rather talk about Destiny than what i'm expecting
people wanted sources.. they got 'em. if i'm misquoted i correct the person misquoting me.
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