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lol this game evokes such strong emotions from people who aren't too versed/naturally talented in card games
so basically you're using a really outdated deck for the meta, each level of trophies has a slightly different meta and you need to adapt to that
i hang around anything from 3-3.5k so i'm fairly versed in the meta for that level
there are only really 3 types of decks that don't have a straight up some form of advantage, and since this game is extremely low on RNG even a small advantage if played correctly will just never lead to a loss
if you have all 3 legendaries, you can do some variation of the legendary trifecta deck, which is usually playing such combos like fire spirits/hog or goblings hog with a zap to backup or princess to backup. uses ice wizard to defend everything, and some kind of killer (barbs or minip) to do fast damage to stuff like hogs, RG etc.
otherwise you can do the trifecta hog musk valk deck if you have high level rares which doesn't even make full use of legendary cards if you don't have any
there are also the non hog trifecta legendary decks which involve using minipekka and only counterpushing since the those kinds of decks have a really hard time initiating slowpushes which this deck takes advantage of. It's very good vs the other 2 decks as a sort of metagame thing (and often uses poison to even further counter the meta of placing back pumps+princesses) but is kind o fbad vs everything else
excep the deck which you are iusing which gets destroyed by poison AND by the regularl hog decks. so basically you just copied chief pats deck and don't really understand the game so you complain instead of adapting to the meta.
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nah fuck that, sparky is a piece of shit design card and the designer who made it is a fucking stupid moron. and them nerfing mortar because its too OP when it wasn't, and then coming up with a card that two shots a tower is beyond idiotic.
and no i have no legendaries, thats why i'm not in legendary arena. tried hog decks with hog/musk/valk as a base before, i dropped 300 trophies. switched back to my RG deck, back in 2800 and climbing. only lose to sparky. poison is tough like you said. since i'm slow and don't have good reaction time, i will always have trouble with hogs because i can't always place canon in the correct spot on time. but most of the time i can beat hogs. but once in a while one will slip through and its annoying as hell.
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On June 15 2016 11:22 BrTarolg wrote:
lol this game evokes such strong emotions from people who aren't too versed/naturally talented in card games
so basically you're using a really outdated deck for the meta, each level of trophies has a slightly different meta and you need to adapt to that
"Adapt". You mean grind it out until you get the required cards? Or loose some cash?
Please take a minute to read your own post and realize what you've just said.
The game itself might not be RNG during a fight, but before that it's just a different story.
I've stopped bashing the game alright, but please don't act like building a new deck/getting legendaries to adapt is quickly done. It's a massive grind that can easily keep up with MMOs.
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France12911 Posts
I made it to legendary arena two weeks ago, it took me so much time after the mortar nerf but I realised staying in my bad guild with only one active player in arena 7+ was not worth it, I could not gain 30 cards from donations so I'd advance slower than other players in the long run. After going into a decent guild I quickly moved into arena 8 as I expected, being able to upgrade commons to lvl 9 much more quickly.
I will try to have 7 rare on my main deck in order to be able to play tourneys but it's so long :/
This game may be pay2win but it took me less months to have cards near tournament level than just being able to play ranked games in LoL, so it's actually not that bad.
I don't see it having much success as a real esports game tho, even watching "top" players you don't have much room to outplay your opponent, who wins seems kinda random in the French tourney I watched.
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On June 16 2016 04:16 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 11:22 BrTarolg wrote:
lol this game evokes such strong emotions from people who aren't too versed/naturally talented in card games
so basically you're using a really outdated deck for the meta, each level of trophies has a slightly different meta and you need to adapt to that
"Adapt". You mean grind it out until you get the required cards? Or loose some cash? Please take a minute to read your own post and realize what you've just said. The game itself might not be RNG during a fight, but before that it's just a different story. I've stopped bashing the game alright, but please don't act like building a new deck/getting legendaries to adapt is quickly done. It's a massive grind that can easily keep up with MMOs.
If you're aiming for tournament level decks you'd have multiple of them by now including multiple legendaries if you started since the soft launch
I've saved up 40k gold many times, you don't need to put in any money to get legendaries nor reach legendary arena which is basically required if you want to progress fast this game
I'm probably only a couple month off from having every single legendary + a full tournament suite of cards and you wouldn't need to spend a penny to attain that
Also the game uses distribution algos to make sure that you always get an evenish spread of cards too
Literally if you're losing to something and it's early on then you need to get to A8 first so you can play the game
if you're already at a8 and losing to stuff then you need to spend a couple days building a different deck and then stop sucking lol
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Total bs I play for months and not a single legendary or super magical. If u want legendary get lucky or pay up. Can't get into legendary without legendaries. U can look at players highest trophies. Losing to opponents w legendaries that have been to legendary arena. Opponents I can beat dont have legendaries and are like me, highest trophies in upper 2900s but not quite. The players in my clan who hit legendary first got ice wiz and princess. Not a coincidence
The legendary cards are just vastly superior and cost effective compared to everything else
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France12911 Posts
Many players in my clan got to legendary with the trifecta deck. Some with RG+spawn cards.
It really is that easy, even with lvl 2 poison as long as you have lvl 6+ on hog/musk/valk and 8-9 on the filling cards...
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It was easy to have these rares to 6 2 monthes ago, today it's not. Everybody wants them. I did it to legendary with a 3 musk deck (and a princess, bu got it like 2 days before breaking 3k, did up to 2800 without her). RG decks could be easier to up these days as people are less asking for it.
On another note, it's the same shit with people saying sparky is easy to counter. what is easy is to spot who are the cheap hog deck users  (they hard counter sparky). Sparky is a shitty card that will insta win the game if your deck is not a hard counter and u misplayed a bit (on just one push, u fail, u lose a tower) or got unlucky (drop on sparky/RG and all your troops aggro RG, hooray!).
And stop saying going to legendary is easy when u did it 2 monthes ago. Time have changed. As a f2p player going to legendary today is pain in the ass. (but you can still do it without leg imo, barrier is more psychological on this one)
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On June 16 2016 12:07 BrTarolg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2016 04:16 KeksX wrote:On June 15 2016 11:22 BrTarolg wrote:
lol this game evokes such strong emotions from people who aren't too versed/naturally talented in card games
so basically you're using a really outdated deck for the meta, each level of trophies has a slightly different meta and you need to adapt to that
"Adapt". You mean grind it out until you get the required cards? Or loose some cash? Please take a minute to read your own post and realize what you've just said. The game itself might not be RNG during a fight, but before that it's just a different story. I've stopped bashing the game alright, but please don't act like building a new deck/getting legendaries to adapt is quickly done. It's a massive grind that can easily keep up with MMOs. If you're aiming for tournament level decks you'd have multiple of them by now including multiple legendaries if you started since the soft launch I've saved up 40k gold many times, you don't need to put in any money to get legendaries nor reach legendary arena which is basically required if you want to progress fast this game I'm probably only a couple month off from having every single legendary + a full tournament suite of cards and you wouldn't need to spend a penny to attain that Also the game uses distribution algos to make sure that you always get an evenish spread of cards too Literally if you're losing to something and it's early on then you need to get to A8 first so you can play the game if you're already at a8 and losing to stuff then you need to spend a couple days building a different deck and then stop sucking lol
Again, you need to realize what you're writing.
"If you started since the soft launch" - so everyone not having started then is out?
"Reach legendary arena (...) basically required" So everyone not in legendary is screwed?
"Only a couple of months off" After having played since soft launch?
"You need to get to A8 first so you can play the game" What am I doing before that?
So yeah, obviously, if you're not a top player yet, it's because you suck at this game. Not because of all the other mechanics in this game that halt your progress. Nope. Those are fine. Just git gud.
The cycle does also not help since it's only about what chests you get. Making sure you at least get a magical chest guaranteed. The cards in there are a different story though.
@Furikawari:
The barrier is a psychological one because the amount of grind required to get it on average is making me kill myself. I want to play the game, not work.
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What's up with those players with legendary cards throwing the game in lower arena to get into TV Royale?
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On June 16 2016 17:11 Poopi wrote:
Many players in my clan got to legendary with the trifecta deck. Some with RG+spawn cards.
It really is that easy, even with lvl 2 poison as long as you have lvl 6+ on hog/musk/valk and 8-9 on the filling cards...
i'm def bad at the game. my reflexes are quite slow, so i cannot play hog, because too many matches turn into hog vs hog which requires quick thinking and reflexes. i play slow push decks like RG and mortar before it got nerfed. so hog is not an option. i drop hundreds of trophies with hog. RG, i hover around 2800 to 2900. RG is 9 right now as are my commons, rares are 6. i think once i upgrade the RG to 10 and up a few more cards and hit level 10, i can get in.
But yeah sparky total horse shit design, now i know how idra felt when he saw carriers. dropping a sparky is a nice skill toi have. APOLOGIZE FOR PLAYING THAT CARD
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Well you obviously have to play a few months to get to legendary arena in the first place, but to say that you need legendary cards to get to legendary arena, or that it's impossible without dumping money into the game is completely untrue
A good guideline is that you should be able to break the "noob barrier" of A4 within 2-3 weeks, and then aim to hit A7 within a month and stay there for a month or two to hit A8.
Once you touch A8, try to hang there as much as you can to buy legendary cards through gold. You honestly don't need to spend a single dime to get a decent suite of legendaries (obviously luck with SMC can help)
After that, within a month of a8 you should have at least 1 fully ready tournament levelled deck which you can use to kick hard ass in tournaments (and stay in legendary arena indefinitely)
If you're complaining about cards you don't have and you're only 2 weeks into the game, well yeah you're 2 weeks in, you're still learning. Be a little bit patient and try to understand how you can still maximise your odds even vs people with higher levelled cards etc.
If you are getting stuck at the A4 barrier after 2 weeks, that basically means you need to improve your skill and understanding of the game. It's really normal to beat people with vastly higher levelled cards than you using skill alone
I regularly go up vs people with lvl 11/12 commons and sometimes these can be the easiest players to beat because they literally suck at the game to be down at 3.5k cups with those levels of cards, even if i am at a huge card level disadvantage
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nah again you are making stuff up. there are about 30 peeps in my clan now. there are four in legendary, and the ones who made it the quickest had ice mage, princess or both. legendary cards confer such a huge advantage, and upper a7 is infested with them. like i literally just made it into legendary for the first time a few minutes ago after playing for months using my RG hut deck. the final match fittingly was killing a stupid sparky user (he sucked). if he had used something broken like say a miner/princess/minion horde deck i would've been fucked. i probably won't be able to stay long in A8, so i'm just going to wait (and not attack) until shop can give me a legendary of my own. which means i'll have to shell out 20 bucks or so to get one. upgrading my hut from level 6 to 7 seemed to give enough edge to get in. but the thing is, everyone else is upgrading their cards as well. so its a never ending arms race.
and obviously people with higher than average card levels are actually easier to beat than people with lower card levels. it means they suck at the game. there are level 9s down in pekka playhouse. that still doesn't change the fact that getting into legendary is ridiculously difficult.
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On June 17 2016 14:51 fishjie wrote:
nah again you are making stuff up. there are about 30 peeps in my clan now. there are four in legendary, and the ones who made it the quickest had ice mage, princess or both. legendary cards confer such a huge advantage, and upper a7 is infested with them. like i literally just made it into legendary for the first time a few minutes ago after playing for months using my RG hut deck. the final match fittingly was killing a stupid sparky user (he sucked). if he had used something broken like say a miner/princess/minion horde deck i would've been fucked. i probably won't be able to stay long in A8, so i'm just going to wait (and not attack) until shop can give me a legendary of my own. which means i'll have to shell out 20 bucks or so to get one. upgrading my hut from level 6 to 7 seemed to give enough edge to get in. but the thing is, everyone else is upgrading their cards as well. so its a never ending arms race.
and obviously people with higher than average card levels are actually easier to beat than people with lower card levels. it means they suck at the game. there are level 9s down in pekka playhouse. that still doesn't change the fact that getting into legendary is ridiculously difficult.
well you just proved it yourself.. you dont need to have legendary cards to hit legendary lol
obviously the 3 legendaries (princess, IW, miner) are top tier cards, but i can 100% bet you (and i've done this multiple times) i can maintain a strong presence in legendary arena just using non legendaries by running the trifecta hog deck (and no, i'm not even max tournament level with that deck, im running lvl 6 musk and valk lol)
The fact that you're using an extremely outdated strategy (RG huts) is obviously going to stop you from climbing easier
And it doesn't even take that long to get the legendaries, it's just a few weeks of donations and saving gold and you basically get to buy them easily from the shop
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srsly every f2p ggoal should be
a> get good - stop whining about cards you don't have and do your best with the tools you have
b> climb high - get to legendary arena asap with under-levelled cards so that you can progress the game the fastest. Est time it should be 2-3 months of gameplay for you to hit this level as a f2p player
c> save up and buy the legendary cards yourself. Once you have 1 legendary of your own it's literally impossible to NOT be in legendary arena by this point
Of course legendary cards confer a huge advantage, but to say you can't get to a8 without them is pure scrub talk
Multiple people in my clan have SEVERAL TIMES OVER hit legendary with secondary accounts which we *deliberately* hold back in terms of card levels. We've had people as low as lvl 7 hit legendary arena (in fact, these were engineered accounts with the sole purpose of hitting legendary arena as a lvl 7 so that they could use it to buy a legendary card and compete in RPL)
Of course every single match is going to be vsing lvl 9/10's with legendary cards, and it's an uphill battle. But considering the low average skill of most people playing the game, you can simply outplay them and STILL climb to a8 anyway
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On June 17 2016 22:47 BrTarolg wrote:
Multiple people in my clan have SEVERAL TIMES OVER hit legendary with secondary accounts which we *deliberately* hold back in terms of card levels. We've had people as low as lvl 7 hit legendary arena (in fact, these were engineered accounts with the sole purpose of hitting legendary arena as a lvl 7 so that they could use it to buy a legendary card and compete in RPL)
Curious as to what the lvl 7 engineered accounts decks were. Did they mostly focus on leveling only certain cards to stay lvl 7? If so, which did they upgrade?
I'm also a lvl 7 in arena 7 and having a hard time making much progress, sometimes falling back to A6. Been relying on Lava Hound though, my only legendary pull. I would love to move away from LH as it feels like a one trick pony, but I seem to fall with other decks.
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made a7 as 7.
now 9. dont really feeling like grinding for a8 without a legendary, too much hassle and i'd probably drop in and out. so just stayed in a7 this whole time.
also crown chests are easier to open in the 2 - 2.5k range 
and yes fuck sparky :D
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France12911 Posts
On June 18 2016 03:18 QzYSc2 wrote:well im level 7 and made a7 so im pretty proud of myself : D decklist: http://imgur.com/fivH5N9
Made it as lvl 6... As long as you are playing OP cards such as hog x).
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If you're in A7 and lvl 7 then you're doing good!
I wouldn't expect most people to hit a8 until mid/late lvl 8 tbh
Hitting legendaries as a7 basically requires engineered accounts where you donate very little and upgrade a very specific set of cards (mostly hog trifectas and stuff)
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Or dropping sparky. Most bad lvl 8 in arena 8 are sparky players. When I see a lvl 8 at 3k trophies, 90% of the time he is a sparky player. Best card to carry :s.
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