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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 17 2017 05:24 GMT
#2441
I would play fire marth before fire dad like I said, but it doesn't really matter.

PME = pick my edit. It's basically like a PMU (pick my units) except instead of picking which units to use, people pick ways for you to hack the game and change shit.

Radiant duo are solid games to play kinda any time. I'd play FE8 first, but after that just play them whenever.
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
June 17 2017 05:43 GMT
#2442
If you do play Fire Emblem 8, be sure to use Gilliam.

Beyond that, you can't really go wrong with unit selection. The nice thing about Fire Emblem 8 is that you can use anyone and you can clear the game - though choice picks will make your life easier.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
June 17 2017 06:29 GMT
#2443
Use Seth
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51630 Posts
June 17 2017 06:55 GMT
#2444
On June 17 2017 15:29 chocorush wrote:
Use Seth


wait does he get more broken? I mean chapter 1 paladin is pretty broken.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 07:42:16
June 17 2017 07:40 GMT
#2445
He has some of the highest growths in the game despite starting promoted, and has base stats comparable to 20/1 units. We banned Seth in our draft because he's too much better than the next-best unit to not pick first, and makes the draft meaningless if you make him free for everyone (since you can always just bank on Seth).

IS was on some crazy shit when they set his bases/growths.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 10:01:47
June 17 2017 10:01 GMT
#2446
Hilariously, there's enough XP for Franz to reach level 20 in time for the first Knight Crest. Eirika still managed to get a lot of XP as well.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
June 17 2017 11:01 GMT
#2447
On June 17 2017 15:55 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 15:29 chocorush wrote:
Use Seth


wait does he get more broken? I mean chapter 1 paladin is pretty broken.

for chapter 1 paladins you have gunter and jagen one one hand...and then fe7 marcus seth and titania on the other, it's crazy
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
June 17 2017 13:06 GMT
#2448
Growths are kind of icing on the cake. One of the biggest traps people fall into is not using their starting pallies, and the game is probably quite difficult if you don't use Seth.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 14:52:28
June 17 2017 14:48 GMT
#2449
Nah, Seth-less FE8 is still quite easy since the enemy quality takes so long to really ramp up (it doesn't have an explicit tutorial like Lyn Mode, but the pre-route split chapters still feel Lyn Mode-esque in terms of simplicity and enemy quality). In Seth-less play, Franz with the Ch. 4 Dracoshield starts to do a lot of the juggernauting from that point anyway and once you get Duessel (Ephraim route) or Saleh (Eirika route) they do a lot of the work too.

The game slows down a lot in Seth-less but isn't really much harder.
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RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
June 18 2017 01:36 GMT
#2450
On June 17 2017 14:43 Frudgey wrote:
If you do play Fire Emblem 8, be sure to use Gilliam.

Beyond that, you can't really go wrong with unit selection. The nice thing about Fire Emblem 8 is that you can use anyone and you can clear the game - though choice picks will make your life easier.


What's the deal with Gilliam, I never used him on my playthroughs of FE8
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51630 Posts
June 18 2017 02:18 GMT
#2451
On June 17 2017 23:48 TheYango wrote:
Nah, Seth-less FE8 is still quite easy since the enemy quality takes so long to really ramp up (it doesn't have an explicit tutorial like Lyn Mode, but the pre-route split chapters still feel Lyn Mode-esque in terms of simplicity and enemy quality). In Seth-less play, Franz with the Ch. 4 Dracoshield starts to do a lot of the juggernauting from that point anyway and once you get Duessel (Ephraim route) or Saleh (Eirika route) they do a lot of the work too.

The game slows down a lot in Seth-less but isn't really much harder.


okay just so you know I've started FE8 im at the intro chap(or side chap) for ephram.
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
June 18 2017 02:26 GMT
#2452
On June 18 2017 10:36 RuiBarbO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 14:43 Frudgey wrote:
If you do play Fire Emblem 8, be sure to use Gilliam.

Beyond that, you can't really go wrong with unit selection. The nice thing about Fire Emblem 8 is that you can use anyone and you can clear the game - though choice picks will make your life easier.


What's the deal with Gilliam, I never used him on my playthroughs of FE8

Gilliam is hot garbage, don't use him.

Gilliam has very restricted movement, and Seth is a straight up better tank than Gilliam.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 03:35:27
June 18 2017 03:31 GMT
#2453
On June 18 2017 10:36 RuiBarbO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 14:43 Frudgey wrote:
If you do play Fire Emblem 8, be sure to use Gilliam.

Beyond that, you can't really go wrong with unit selection. The nice thing about Fire Emblem 8 is that you can use anyone and you can clear the game - though choice picks will make your life easier.


What's the deal with Gilliam, I never used him on my playthroughs of FE8

Frudgey just really likes Armor Knights.

On June 18 2017 11:26 Frudgey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 10:36 RuiBarbO wrote:
On June 17 2017 14:43 Frudgey wrote:
If you do play Fire Emblem 8, be sure to use Gilliam.

Beyond that, you can't really go wrong with unit selection. The nice thing about Fire Emblem 8 is that you can use anyone and you can clear the game - though choice picks will make your life easier.


What's the deal with Gilliam, I never used him on my playthroughs of FE8

Gilliam is hot garbage, don't use him.

Gilliam has very restricted movement, and Seth is a straight up better tank than Gilliam.

He's not great, but he's actually not "hot garbage" either lol. That term should be reserved to the game's real strugglers like the trainees and Marisa.

Taking the Ch. 7 Knight Crest is a pretty legit option for Gilliam to early promote to GK and make some midgame contributions. Franz is usually the first contender for it, but on Ephraim route it's not a bad idea to let Franz get a few more levels and take the Ch. 10 Crest instead and early-promote someone else. Kyle, Forde, and Gilliam are all fine options for that, though Gilliam is worse than the other two.

The 2nd Knight Crest is a lot later on Eirika's route (ch. 10 on Ephraim vs. ch. 13 on Eirika), so he's harder to justify there.
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RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
June 18 2017 04:32 GMT
#2454
On June 18 2017 12:31 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 10:36 RuiBarbO wrote:
On June 17 2017 14:43 Frudgey wrote:
If you do play Fire Emblem 8, be sure to use Gilliam.

Beyond that, you can't really go wrong with unit selection. The nice thing about Fire Emblem 8 is that you can use anyone and you can clear the game - though choice picks will make your life easier.


What's the deal with Gilliam, I never used him on my playthroughs of FE8

Frudgey just really likes Armor Knights.

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 11:26 Frudgey wrote:
On June 18 2017 10:36 RuiBarbO wrote:
On June 17 2017 14:43 Frudgey wrote:
If you do play Fire Emblem 8, be sure to use Gilliam.

Beyond that, you can't really go wrong with unit selection. The nice thing about Fire Emblem 8 is that you can use anyone and you can clear the game - though choice picks will make your life easier.


What's the deal with Gilliam, I never used him on my playthroughs of FE8

Gilliam is hot garbage, don't use him.

Gilliam has very restricted movement, and Seth is a straight up better tank than Gilliam.

He's not great, but he's actually not "hot garbage" either lol. That term should be reserved to the game's real strugglers like the trainees and Marisa.

Taking the Ch. 7 Knight Crest is a pretty legit option for Gilliam to early promote to GK and make some midgame contributions. Franz is usually the first contender for it, but on Ephraim route it's not a bad idea to let Franz get a few more levels and take the Ch. 10 Crest instead and early-promote someone else. Kyle, Forde, and Gilliam are all fine options for that, though Gilliam is worse than the other two.

The 2nd Knight Crest is a lot later on Eirika's route (ch. 10 on Ephraim vs. ch. 13 on Eirika), so he's harder to justify there.


Are you saying Amelia is hot garbage??

I guess if you're playing through without using Tower of Valni or whatever it's called she's probably not as good. But man, my first playthrough with her she literally dodged everything, and I didn't even build her in a particularly careful way.
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
June 18 2017 04:43 GMT
#2455
Hot garbage is relative. She's pretty good once you "waste" a ton of resources on her.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 05:38:29
June 18 2017 05:29 GMT
#2456
FE8 just isn't really a kind game for trainee/Est-type units. Enemy quality is really low through such a huge portion of the game, so having a marginally better unit late in the game isn't worth the tradeoff of having a worse one earlier. The game is only 20 chapters with no gaidens, while most other FE games range from 25-30 chapters, so you have a lot less time to raise people and make them good without grinding.

On top of which, the trainees don't even have better growths than other units. They just have more levels to gain, which means you expend more resources to make them good, but don't get more out. They only have any sort of meaningful advantage at 20/20 with infinite XP, otherwise at any point prior they aren't giving you better value for what you put in.

And on top of all that, the trainee classes all have 4 Mov prior to promotion rather than normal infantry movement, making them uniquely annoying to use.
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TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-18 14:41:20
June 18 2017 14:40 GMT
#2457
if you use the tower any unit is more or less equally awesome since you can just grind to some arbitrarily high level and steamroll the game. Who cares how uber your stats are at that point when you ORKO and have no risk of death?

But if you don't use the tower Amelia is nearly unusable
rip
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51630 Posts
June 18 2017 16:31 GMT
#2458
On June 18 2017 23:40 TomatoBisque wrote:
if you use the tower any unit is more or less equally awesome since you can just grind to some arbitrarily high level and steamroll the game. Who cares how uber your stats are at that point when you ORKO and have no risk of death?

But if you don't use the tower Amelia is nearly unusable


yeah learning that right now, I made ross work so far but, maybe if I promote him to hero he gets good?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
June 18 2017 16:44 GMT
#2459
On June 19 2017 01:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 23:40 TomatoBisque wrote:
if you use the tower any unit is more or less equally awesome since you can just grind to some arbitrarily high level and steamroll the game. Who cares how uber your stats are at that point when you ORKO and have no risk of death?

But if you don't use the tower Amelia is nearly unusable


yeah learning that right now, I made ross work so far but, maybe if I promote him to hero he gets good?

If you use Ross you should make him a berserker...that being said, you shouldn't use ross.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 18 2017 17:49 GMT
#2460
Ross is the most usable of the trainees since he joins early enough, but he's still not all that worth it. For a ton of extraneous effort, you get a unit that's only slightly better than Garcia, and still worse than Gerik.
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