EPTOn April 13 2017 03:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
No kliff though
No kliff though
But Kliff is like, the worst of the starting villagers.
Emphasis on starting because lol Atlas.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
But Kliff is like, the worst of the starting villagers. Emphasis on starting because lol Atlas. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On April 15 2017 12:16 TheYango wrote: But Kliff is like, the worst of the starting villagers. Emphasis on starting because lol Atlas. ...you talking bases right? Because it takes all of one chapter to make kliff the best unit in the game Also I pulled alm and luka and alm is...not fantastic | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Basically he makes an okay Cav or Mage, but nothing exceptional. "Best unit in the game" is definitely pushing it because Gaiden promo mechanics limit the benefits of his growth spread. EDIT: He's also a decent archer since his growths complement the archer line's abysmal base speed, but IDK I don't really feel like you need the extra archer. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On April 15 2017 15:19 TheYango wrote: Nah, even growth-wise. He has a great speed growth, but that doesn't really matter since Merc line base speed is insane so Grey is going to outperform him as a straight combat unit. His spell set is okay so he makes an alright Mage, but Tobin learns Excalibur earlier and critically learns Physic while Kliff just gets a couple more offensive spells that are less useful than Physic. Basically he makes an okay Cav or Mage, but nothing exceptional. "Best unit in the game" is definitely pushing it because Gaiden promo mechanics limit the benefits of his growth spread. EDIT: He's also a decent archer since his growths complement the archer line's abysmal base speed, but IDK I don't really feel like you need the extra archer. I would upload an image...but apparently TL changed the restrictions because pictures taken by my phone are too large apparently...but Kliff is a monster. At least in SoV Kliff's one weakness is his str growth at 35% which is easily offset by giving him bolt sword in early game and forging a steel sword in midgame. The kid basically solo'd chapter 4 with no effort for me. Also managed to pull lukas and alm in heroes, neither seems that great | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On April 15 2017 16:00 Cricketer12 wrote: I was looking at Alm and saw his stat line was similar to Lucina's overall. His maxed neutral values are HP 45/ATK 33/SPD 30/DEF 28/RES 22 compared to 43-34-36-25-19 for Lucina. Slightly more HP, defense, and res but speed lower by 6. With the same weapon I figured they'd be pretty comparable but apparently he's much worse? I guess I don't understand how powerful speed is?I would upload an image...but apparently TL changed the restrictions because pictures taken by my phone are too large apparently...but Kliff is a monster. At least in SoV Kliff's one weakness is his str growth at 35% which is easily offset by giving him bolt sword in early game and forging a steel sword in midgame. The kid basically solo'd chapter 4 with no effort for me. Also managed to pull lukas and alm in heroes, neither seems that great | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On April 16 2017 00:26 calgar wrote: I was looking at Alm and saw his stat line was similar to Lucina's overall. His maxed neutral values are HP 45/ATK 33/SPD 30/DEF 28/RES 22 compared to 43-34-36-25-19 for Lucina. Slightly more HP, defense, and res but speed lower by 6. With the same weapon I figured they'd be pretty comparable but apparently he's much worse? I guess I don't understand how powerful speed is? I'd say it makes a pretty big difference, since double-hitting requires having 5 more speed than your opponent and that will significantly alter how a duel between two characters plays out. For example, with those numbers and not looking at abilities, Lucina will deal 44 damage to him for each 24 that he deals (I think? someone can double check), assuming they both have a weapon that gives +16. This is because of the speed difference. Throw that +1 attack seal on Lucina and Alm is toast. | ||
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
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GTR
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guess it's back to the drawing board. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 17 2017 13:28 Varanice wrote: apparently the top teams the last couple weeks are running flier emblem Just in time for some flier emblem quests Though I've been able to get 7-win streaks with horse emblem, but unfortunately with one or two deaths so I can't max out. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On April 17 2017 15:56 GTR wrote: this week i've just felt helpless in arena. haven't been able to 7-win streak at all and the week is about to end with me getting 3k at most. guess it's back to the drawing board. I was this last season couldnt hold a good streak and barely scrapped out a 3.6k through a lucky last match up where the dancer ran someone in to die and was also separated from the other two. This season however i have been crushing i cant lose and am just limited by my units so ive hit 4.6k Im running lvl40 5* nino with fury 3 desparation 3 hone atk 3 ( i finished building my nino and she obliterates everyone with olivia) Lvl 36 olvia, sharena, selena 4* she kills hector so easily and julia removing my nino counters. Now i am focused on training all my other units up to 40 and earning hero merit. I want to promote my sharena as her and nino have been with me since i started playing. I suggest finding a good skill inhertiance build and going for it,im free to play as well so i think the best way is to stay away from inherting specials as they tend to be very expensive SP wise | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On April 17 2017 15:56 GTR wrote: this week i've just felt helpless in arena. haven't been able to 7-win streak at all and the week is about to end with me getting 3k at most. guess it's back to the drawing board. My core of Nowi/Julia/Sword User (Marth, Selena)/Bonus Hero has been putting me in the 4k+ range for a while now. I think a large part of this is because I gave Nowi Bowbreaker, which means any time I run into Takumi or anyone, it's basically a 4v3. Between that and the fact that Julia attacking any melee character not named Hector puts them in kill range for Marth/Selena/Nowi, there aren't too many lineups I've run into where I feel like I just had no path to victory. Green mages are scary but they're also squishy. And Hector is too slow to get to the fight before he's the last one standing, at which point Sword User can let him attack until he dies. I'm also working on farming SP and merit on my core units. Nowi has glimmer now, but honestly, I'm a little bit underwhelmed with how much damage it deals, like it doesn't decide too many fights that weren't already decided. Trying to work out if there's anything to do with Lyn that makes her really scary. But I'm mostly waiting for new stuff to do other than just hit training tower level 10 and spending my arena swords. | ||
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On April 19 2017 15:15 Varanice wrote: leveling and farming SP for navarre and damn does he OTK a lot Man I was underwhelmed by him. Maybe 5* Navarre is waaaaay better. Decided to pull all 5 summons and got 5* Elise, thereby resetting my meager pity bonus while getting yet another 5* healer. One more and I can go for team heal emblem. | ||
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chocorush
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On April 20 2017 00:42 RuiBarbO wrote: Man I was underwhelmed by him. Maybe 5* Navarre is waaaaay better. Decided to pull all 5 summons and got 5* Elise, thereby resetting my meager pity bonus while getting yet another 5* healer. One more and I can go for team heal emblem. Really shouldnt be pulling colourless, if its not a focus unit that you want, theres just way too many crappy colourless units to justify it. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On April 20 2017 00:46 chocorush wrote: Is class change just for villagers? This is a mechanic I don't really like and would be fine if it was gone forever. Yes only the 5 villagers can class change. Everyone else is locked | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 20 2017 00:46 chocorush wrote: Is class change just for villagers? This is a mechanic I don't really like and would be fine if it was gone forever. Did you get the game? | ||
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chocorush
696 Posts
Not yet. I've just been too busy lately, so I figured I might as well wait for everyone else to get it to take a crack at it. And Gaiden has never really compelled me to go out and play it, so I haven't been particularly excited for this one. | ||
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calgar
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