EPTAnd its not something new for WH:2 either. Grimgor has been soloing armies since the start.
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22406 Posts
And its not something new for WH:2 either. Grimgor has been soloing armies since the start. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
"See that giant demon the size of a church standing next to the devil incarnate wielding a gigantic flaming sword? Please go kill it." "But sir-" "It's fine man you have a spear!" | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
This sort of character portrayal is central to the Warhammer fiction - its all about singly powerful men (with the occational woman) altering history and the world by their might alone. The gameplay simply mirrors this. Making lords and heroes weaker because one feels they are too powerful or too silly would be to refuse everything that makes Warhammer what it is: A bombastic power fantasy allowing us poor nerds to dream of the impossible chance to mold our own fates. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17752 Posts
On December 28 2017 21:08 plated.rawr wrote: Heroic figures in the Warhammer universe are the archetypical male powerfantasy trope, transcendant of genre - a single person with unwavering purpose and righteous indignation, with powers rivalling that of the gods, alone crushing any foe, army or nation daring to defy them, with their own hands. Im sure Freud would point to repressed sexuality as the cause of such fantasies (specifically; that of a teen boy's repressed lust towards his own mother - this is Freud we're talking about, after all). This sort of character portrayal is central to the Warhammer fiction - its all about singly powerful men (with the occational woman) altering history and the world by their might alone. The gameplay simply mirrors this. Making lords and heroes weaker because one feels they are too powerful or too silly would be to refuse everything that makes Warhammer what it is: A bombastic power fantasy allowing us poor nerds to dream of the impossible chance to mold our own fates. Actually, to think of it, notable women in WH (few and far between) have usually been reserved for more scheming roles (grey eminence) rather than almighty fighters. I guess Freud would have a field day with that too. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On December 28 2017 09:53 Manit0u wrote: Why horny nerds? There isn't that much pervy stuff left after the Fimir have been retconned (there's Morathi/Malekith supposed incest but that's pretty much it). I always assumed the taste for megalomaniac grandeur and absurd power in fantasy came from some sexual frustration somewhere. That need for uber everything mega powerful super warriors crashing into mega super duper doubleplusmore epic battles had something to do with overcompensating. I personally lost interest in incarning god like figures crushing dragons and demons for breakfast the day i got laid. Maybe also visits at the local games workshop convinced me that there were something there. Too much Freud probably. Sometimes a cigar is just a supermanly archetypal warrior moving mountains with his thought. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14137 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On December 29 2017 00:48 Sermokala wrote: We get it Biff you think women wouldn't be fans of miniatures and all warhammer fans are straight virgins. Most people are polite enough to keep those opinions to themselves but hey you gotta be you. Don’t get angry, i love warhammer. The absurd grandeur is actually really amusing. But i can’t help seeing something a bit virgin like in it  That said, i think that need to always make everything and everyone the most hugest everything kind of ruins the setting in some level. Mazdamundi is the greatest badass of all time. Until you read about Nagash who is the greatest badass of all times. Until you read about... etc etc. At the end no one and nothing is ever “not soooo important”, meaning nothing really matters. You can’t have 255 most badass chararcters ever in one universe, it simply doesn’t work. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But warhammer art style has always been "what if a heavy metal cover went to war?" Things like the "cult of pleasure" and their lack of cloths fit into that trope of heavy metal cover art. Which is born out of male centered objectification of women. Its just that the witch elves murder everyone, rather than adopt a sexy pose. In the grand tapestry of sexist nerd shit, it doesn't even factor. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17752 Posts
On December 29 2017 03:11 Plansix wrote: As someone who played Warhammer, Warhammer 40K, Warmachine(these people suck a naming shit) and Flames of War(see, everyone is bad), it is a pretty dude dominated hobby. That's why I switched over to Infinity (if someone made it into a computer game it would be amazing). The models are gorgeous, rules are awesome and it's great for everyone. But, speaking of fan-service and sexism, Infinity is rather heavily inspired by anime themes (Ghost in the Shell primarily) so you have that too. I mean, just check this guide for choosing your faction (it's a bit dated but still hilarious): ![[image loading]](https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0341/24/1407993300240.jpg) Seriously though. If you're into miniature wargaming/painting, you should definitely check out their minis since I believe them to be one of the best (if not the best) around. All metal, poses are great and the level of detail is insane. https://catalog.infinitythegame.com/ | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
It has been an interesting campaign so far. My early game plan was to secure the eastern coast of Ulthuan followed by slamming Moussilon, giving me good relations and trade with Brettonia and the Empire. Afterwards I pushed back into Ulthuan, secured it and went to war against Morathi. Mazdamundi was also at war with her so I had to race him to her capital (that landmark building is awesome). I managed to snag the Ancient City and was looking to end Morathi for good, but she confederated with Naggarond. That was my next target. I had 3 armies in the north, a fourth one under recruitment back home and another shitty stack far south (meant to keep Teclis alive). Tyrion marched through Hag Graef and into Naggarond while my other 2 full stacks split up to pacify the other Dark Elves and, oddly, Skaven (why the AI did not clear them by that point was beyond me). In the middle of this, on turn 70, Chaos pops. Fun times... The north and eastern side of Ulthuan was razed and another armada just ignored Teclis and headed for my Vampire Coast settlements. Honestly, fighting defence battles were you are not meant to win is exciting. You just try to hold out as long as possible while praying your cavalry/fliers will manage to take out Hellcannons in time. My economy went into the garbage bin trying to recruit more armies, but thankfully as soon as a bunch of Chaos armies fell everyone liked me and offered those juicy trade agreements. The next 10 turns were spent running around whittled down armies that tried to run away from you, leading to some silly ambush-and-hope-it-works moments (let's not talk about sea battles where YOU CANT CHASE DOWN AN ARMY WHY WHY WHY). The 10 turns after that were spent recolonizing everything. First wave of Chaos down, I thought it would be the only one. Oh, how silly I was... The second wave hit when I was about done with the Dark Elves and Aghol. This one went a bit better, mainly because I learned my lesson and build walls everywhere (except inner Ulthuan, I figured Lothern would stop enemy ships from just sailing past... well, imagine my surprise when it didn't). Suddenly, Chaos stacks hit a brick wall on a settlement, lost half their army taking it and then are stuck raiding and playing hide and seek with my clean up armies. I also confederated Teclis and had him flee his starting city as it was about to be surrounded by 6 angry Chaos stacks. I swear that city has been razed and rebuilt like 5 or 6 times over the course of the game. Around turn 130 things started to settle down and I had finished rebuilding everything. Started purging the jungle from Skaven, when another third Chaos wave hits, complete with Archaon and a nice cinematic. Teclis takes on three full armies at once and wins, not once but twice. The Noble in his army just refused to die and held like eight units in place for archers/artillery/spells to wipe everything out (probably inspired by Tyrion's deeds on the battlefield). This is when I noticed the Dwarfs started to blob hard. I wanted to go to war with them, but they were allied with the Empire and Brettonia and, between the 3, controlled all of the old world. Direct war was, thus, not an option. Not only would I have to fight on a huge front, but their trade agreements were what was keeping my economy nice and running. But wait, don't the High Elves have an option to spend Influence to shift relations? Yes, they do! Aaaaaaaaaaand relations are in the 3 digit mark thanks to Shield of Civilization. Ok, now Chaos had to end for good. I bought a very pricey Military Access from the Empire and marched east to take on one of the big Chaos factions (and some Vampire Counts, because why not, everybody hates them) while 2 other armies played hide and seek in the old Dark Elf lands. Now, like I said, turn 164, Chaos is gone. Shield of Civilization is gone, relations start to plummet to normal values (the Dwarfs used to have like +1000 with me, now it's going down to double digit). I confederated one of the 2 remaining High Elf factions (kept as trading partners, but now my economy would be fine without any trade agreements), the second one will join me in a few turns. Afterwards it's time to remove Mazdamundi and, thus, take full control of Americahammer. I'll also be looking to drop the relations between the Dwarfs and Empire/Brettonia so I can start munching the blue blob as soon as possible. The game has swung between epic, tedious and boring a bunch of times now. Now I fear only the tedious parts remain as I'd have to plow through infinite dwarf stacks. I've had auto resolve bit me in the rear a couple times, losing units and having to halt for a few turns to get my stack full again. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On January 03 2018 13:40 xDaunt wrote: Goddamn, fucking Skaven are eating my High Elf troops alive with their goddamned masses of catapults. I can't do shit against them in sieges without dragons, which I don't have yet. What skaven faction are you fighting against? In none of my campaigns did they ever managed to be relevant whatsoever. I reaaaaaaally hope that the TK patch nerfs the dawis and buffs massively greenskins and skavens. And stops the AI from being "scared" of invading corrupted land as that gives a really dumb inherent advantage to the VC. Now, Skaven artillery is some serious BS. If you bring an elite infantry army, you are signing up for a world of pain. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
My key when fighting skaven is to split my forces, push in and throw some trash at their cannons/catapults. They don’t have a single unit that can catch even the most garbage of cavalry. If I wait for the Skaven to come, they can just swamp me. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 08 2018 20:32 Biff The Understudy wrote: What skaven faction are you fighting against? In none of my campaigns did they ever managed to be relevant whatsoever. I reaaaaaaally hope that the TK patch nerfs the dawis and buffs massively greenskins and skavens. And stops the AI from being "scared" of invading corrupted land as that gives a really dumb inherent advantage to the VC. Now, Skaven artillery is some serious BS. If you bring an elite infantry army, you are signing up for a world of pain. I was playing as Teclis against Skrolk. Skrolk had like 4 catapults backstopping his army, which just annihilated my sword masters and everything else. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On January 09 2018 07:32 Plansix wrote: Glad to see the Skaven gunline bullshit has transferred from table top into Total WarHammer. It was all lightning cannons. None of this catapult sillyness. But just as bullshit. Notorious to tar pitting elite units with garbage skaven slaves and coring out the rest of the army with cannons, warp fire throwers and censor bearers. I remember it being so bad that a couple Skaven players had to promise to change tactics before people would agree to play. My key when fighting skaven is to split my forces, push in and throw some trash at their cannons/catapults. They don’t have a single unit that can catch even the most garbage of cavalry. If I wait for the Skaven to come, they can just swamp me. At the same time, it’s not as if skaven had a wonderful roster outside their excellent artillery. I mean, without it they wouldn’t stand a chance. I hate dwarf vs skaven with a burning passion though. Without cavalry to shut down their bs, it’s really heartbreaking to see them just demolishing everything from a distance wit theit green, goofy sci fi cannons. Still, in campaign, they are beyond awful. Have you ever faced a strong skaven faction in SP? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Also, Skrolk is fucking immortal for a caster. Like tanky beyond reason. Edit: Biff: Skrolk in single player. And there is a random fortress south of the wood elves that is always threatening to explode over the southern provinces. Wood elves do not do well against Skaven | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On January 09 2018 07:40 xDaunt wrote: I was playing as Teclis against Skrolk. Skrolk had like 4 catapults backstopping his army, which just annihilated my sword masters and everything else. Yeah, i feel your pain. Maybe that’s where silver helms become reaaaally necessary. High elves can do more or less without any cavalry or just dragon princes, but against such amazing artillery, you simply need a lot of mobility. The good yhong is that the AI sucks at protecting its artillery. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 09 2018 07:50 Biff The Understudy wrote: Yeah, i feel your pain. Maybe that’s where silver helms become reaaaally necessary. High elves can do more or less without any cavalry or just dragon princes, but against such amazing artillery, you simply need a lot of mobility. The good yhong is that the AI sucks at protecting its artillery. I had a bunch of chariots, but the problem is that it was a siege map so I had no way to force effectively force them past the walls and the garrison to get them on the artillery. And I couldn't linger with my army and siege the city for an extended period of time due to bullshit Skaven ambush mechanics. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On January 09 2018 08:40 xDaunt wrote: I had a bunch of chariots, but the problem is that it was a siege map so I had no way to force effectively force them past the walls and the garrison to get them on the artillery. And I couldn't linger with my army and siege the city for an extended period of time due to bullshit Skaven ambush mechanics. Yeah then there is not much to do but just charge and hope to still be in one piece when you finally reach them. Chariots suck in siege battle, but unless you have a dragon, nothing really makes a big difference there. There is a problem with sieges and range in general. I found that for example, HE can win every siege vs DE by just throwing all their arrows from out of range before the fight even starts. Since towers have become almost insignificant, there is no meaningful way to defend against that. | ||
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