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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 15:28:44
February 23 2015 15:27 GMT
#821
In sc2 zerg towers are not the ones that make boring games, but swarm hosts. And before that Protoss turtled without towers anyways.


I'm talking of the second half of WOL where zerg routinely turtled with infestors and mass spines while making a death blob of infestor + broodlord + queen + spine+spore crawlers and just walking around spreading creep to all of your buildings. That was a big problem vs protoss, they didn't use static D nearly as much vs terran~

No idea what humans would do, but some maps where you can conduit 5-10% of the map and others where you can conduit 40% of it isn't very healthy
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 15:37:21
February 23 2015 15:36 GMT
#822
Well that is the least of GG's problems. Most maps are still pretty terrible.

As for WoL, blame that on Blizzard. That was only way Zergs could win consistently. Sc2 was a snorefest most of its life, but I want to avoid same faith for GG.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
February 23 2015 15:46 GMT
#823
It wasn't the only way, but it was the most solid way by a considerable margin so people would pull it out for 5 games in a best of 7. Literally. For 6+ months.

I doubt GG will ever be balanced as well as sc2 which had some definite weird periods in its lifespan up to now, but reducing the huge balance variances with maps will go a long way to reducing that.

Unless they just roll with it brood war style and make a lot of maps with different features and racial balance aspects
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
February 23 2015 15:50 GMT
#824
Well, in SC2 static defense really sucks if you want to commit fully as a strategy, since they are considerably easy to take down with mass armies. Armies deal terrible terrible damage in SC2 and artillery units wreck havoc on static defense, while in GG they merely tickles the walls.

I think it is fine to allow conduit building since they'll consume a huge amount of investment to lay down from base to base while epic units have fun on them. Only issue is even mass T1 units have hard time on walls which creates the early game problems.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 16:39:09
February 23 2015 16:37 GMT
#825
Well, in SC2 static defense really sucks if you want to commit fully as a strategy, since they are considerably easy to take down with mass armies.


The problem is more with "static" defense which is mobile or can teleport or move around the map and costs no supply, which a player can then make a huge blob of and move it around with his army which should be of similar strength to the opponents army, completely tipping the balance and making it impossible for him to win a fight

that's why it's a very fragile balance when you make "STATIC DEFENSE" which has legs or a teleporter attached to it
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
February 23 2015 22:39 GMT
#826
https://www.greybox.com/greygoo/en/forum/topic/1422/?page=9#post-19242

+ Show Spoiler +
The next update is focused on performance issues! We are currently targeting early next week, but as always, there's a chance it could be pushed back further. Cross your fingers! - Berek
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
HewTheTitan
Profile Joined February 2015
Canada331 Posts
February 24 2015 00:57 GMT
#827
cool.

btw, almost the same game performance with max settings as with minimum, as long as I reduce my resolution. Thanks to whoever gave me the idea.
HewTheTitan
Profile Joined February 2015
Canada331 Posts
February 24 2015 01:01 GMT
#828
Cryo, since you seem to know about computers:

Any advice for buying a gaming laptop? Budget is $2k. It has to be a laptop because it's being paid for by somebody else.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
February 24 2015 13:48 GMT
#829
On February 24 2015 07:39 Laserist wrote:
https://www.greybox.com/greygoo/en/forum/topic/1422/?page=9#post-19242

+ Show Spoiler +
The next update is focused on performance issues! We are currently targeting early next week, but as always, there's a chance it could be pushed back further. Cross your fingers! - Berek


Sweet

On February 24 2015 10:01 HewTheTitan wrote:
Cryo, since you seem to know about computers:

Any advice for buying a gaming laptop? Budget is $2k. It has to be a laptop because it's being paid for by somebody else.


Laptops are annoying, but we have some threads in the tech support section of TL
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
February 24 2015 15:05 GMT
#830
I still want that balance dev diaries they talked about for more than 1 week.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-24 18:08:55
February 24 2015 18:08 GMT
#831
I'd rather have an imbalanced game than a slightly more balanced slideshow tbh

if it's not going to be esport level play i find it kinda hard to give a fuck unless it's completely broken or there are very annoying mechanics (such as every game being one race spamming 10% of their unit choice and never building the other 90%)

it's not going to be competition ready for a while if ever; so making the game actually fun to play (as long as it's kinda reasonably balanced) is #1 priority for me
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17703 Posts
February 25 2015 17:42 GMT
#832
Grey Goo bottomed out last night at 108 players.
are people finding it tough to find similarly skilled opponents when the player pool dips that low ?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
February 25 2015 20:00 GMT
#833
that is 108 total players (SP+MP). And experience with other RTS say that only about 10% of total players play MP.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 25 2015 23:56 GMT
#834
A lot of players are waiting for the patch. I know at least a few who put this game aside until performance is fixed.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
February 26 2015 01:25 GMT
#835
On February 26 2015 08:56 LegalLord wrote:
A lot of players are waiting for the patch. I know at least a few who put this game aside until performance is fixed.


Yea everyone i have on skype is not playing atm waiting for performance improvements etc
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
HewTheTitan
Profile Joined February 2015
Canada331 Posts
February 26 2015 05:02 GMT
#836
They said a performance patch is coming in the next week or two. Here's hoping.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17703 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 05:52:02
February 26 2015 05:48 GMT
#837
On February 26 2015 08:56 LegalLord wrote:
A lot of players are waiting for the patch. I know at least a few who put this game aside until performance is fixed.


Grey Box and Grey Goo make for an interesting case study providing a counter example to Blizzard's philosophy of only realeasing a game when it is ready.

it looks more and more like Grey Goo was released because the publisher/developer simply ran out of cash.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10927 Posts
February 26 2015 09:18 GMT
#838
On February 26 2015 14:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 08:56 LegalLord wrote:
A lot of players are waiting for the patch. I know at least a few who put this game aside until performance is fixed.


Grey Box and Grey Goo make for an interesting case study providing a counter example to Blizzard's philosophy of only realeasing a game when it is ready.

it looks more and more like Grey Goo was released because the publisher/developer simply ran out of cash.


Blizzard did that case study perfectly fine themselves.

Bnet 2.0.
Diablo 3.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
February 26 2015 10:24 GMT
#839
On February 26 2015 14:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 08:56 LegalLord wrote:
A lot of players are waiting for the patch. I know at least a few who put this game aside until performance is fixed.


Grey Box and Grey Goo make for an interesting case study providing a counter example to Blizzard's philosophy of only realeasing a game when it is ready.

it looks more and more like Grey Goo was released because the publisher/developer simply ran out of cash.

Hardly. Unlike Blizzard, Grey Box probably did not sit on a mountain of cash the size of mount everest. Very few companies can afford to spend four years developing a single video game.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10796 Posts
February 26 2015 10:41 GMT
#840
On February 26 2015 19:24 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 14:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On February 26 2015 08:56 LegalLord wrote:
A lot of players are waiting for the patch. I know at least a few who put this game aside until performance is fixed.


Grey Box and Grey Goo make for an interesting case study providing a counter example to Blizzard's philosophy of only realeasing a game when it is ready.

it looks more and more like Grey Goo was released because the publisher/developer simply ran out of cash.

Hardly. Unlike Blizzard, Grey Box probably did not sit on a mountain of cash the size of mount everest. Very few companies can afford to spend four years developing a single video game.


I would be pretty happy with a mountain of cash the size of Mount Everest myself.
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