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Gorsameth
Netherlands22474 Posts
On November 24 2015 22:30 udgnim wrote: there was little to no competition. UT also released with ranked stats I don't remember a ranked mode in UT, UT2k3 or UT2k4. (UT3 does not exist) and good to know that competitive Quake never existed. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Re: wallhack ultimate. It doesn't remove all skill per se, I'd say it switches the skillset applied instead (with maybe a reduction in skill ceiling too). Ult sounds are global (they're also the same whatever the user's team, welp), so if an enemy Widowmaker activates her ult you know they can see you. So it's on you to play around it. I'm more annoyed by Bastion's and Soldier 76's ults. I know Soldier 76's, McCree's and D. Va's are all partly about zoning (since all 3 are countered by diving behind cover for the duration) so they're not very interesting. It's more about satisfying the user than the enemy, but they're too similar for my tastes. However, on the basic principle (use it when you want to clear a path/stall by making the enemy take cover) having one of this type creates some dynamics in the gameplay. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On November 24 2015 22:52 Alaric wrote: I think he meant competition in the sense that there wasn't another popular FPS to compete for its player base. Now, especially on consoles, you'll have all the CoD, and CS:GO, and TF2, etc. even if they're different games, they're FPS at the core so there'll be some overlap. Re: wallhack ultimate. It doesn't remove any skill per se, I'd say it switches the skillset applied. Ult sounds are global (they're also the same whatever the user's team, welp), so if an enemy Widowmaker activates her ult you know they can see you. So it's on you to play around it. I'm more annoyed by Bastion's and Soldier 76's ults. I know Soldier 76's, McCree's and D. Va's are all partly about zoning (since all 3 are countered by diving behind cover for the duration) so they're not very interesting. It's more about satisfying the user than the enemy, but they're too similar for my tastes. However, on the basic principle (use it when you want to clear a path/stall by making the enemy take cover) having one of this type creates some dynamics in the gameplay. It should be noted that 76 and McCree's ults are also both countered by shields of any kind. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On November 24 2015 22:32 Gorsameth wrote: I don't remember a ranked mode in UT, UT2k3 or UT2k4. (UT3 does not exist) and good to know that competitive Quake never existed. and if its just about improving, you see the stats of your current game compared to your average. It being higher then your average shows pretty well that you imrpoved. O never mind i just realized from whom the original post came >.< . It is good to know though that they probably will implenent a kill feed. Was also nice to see the the one EU tournament casted by esl casters. Even though one team stomped everyone. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
A kill feed would be nice, however. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 25 2015 05:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: It is so easy to please you guys, it's really ridiculous Have you considered that maybe you might have unreasonable expectations from the free beta for a game that is in development? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
And sorry that we can only really talk about what actually exists right now, promises don't count for anything. Maybe it will get better in 6 months, maybe not. If any criticism is answered with "hey we are in beta they will SURELY change that!" then maybe your expectations are simply too low. This is blizzard we are talking about, not some indie game studio with no ressources. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Ranked mode? Who needs that crap? A real scoreboard after the game? That would only increase toxicity! 5 minute games are totally fine!! People who are content no matter what are the worst thing ever. Call it bitching if you want, i am sorry for having an actual opinion on things instead of being a sheep. On November 25 2015 03:04 Plansix wrote: If there is anything I have learned from competitive games, its that ranked mode is something that provides feedback that people assume is improvement because a number increases. But the two are only tangentially related. A kill feed would be nice, however. And this is still wrong. Elo is the best statistic we have about improvement, even if you don't like it | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 25 2015 05:31 The_Red_Viper wrote: Perfect example why we can't have nice things. Hey one game mode is totally enough! Ranked mode? Who needs that crap? A real scoreboard after the game? That would only increase toxicity! 5 minute games are totally fine!! People who are content no matter what are the worst thing ever. Call it bitching if you want, i am sorry for having an actual opinion on things instead of being a sheep. What the actual fuck is your problem. No one is saying it's fine. Because no one believes that the game is going to ship like this. Time and fucking time again you seem to have no idea what the word *BETA* means. It means it's not the finished game. It's like looking at a nice cut of raw meat and then screaming that you wouldn't eat it. Of course you wouldn't, it hasn't been prepared or cooked yet. But we can comment that the meat is good and will eventually be made into a nice steak. We would literally all be on your side if Blizzard said that what is being played right now is the game that they're going to ship for $40-$60. But that's not what's going to happen. That's not what a beta is. So fucking stop. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Reminds me of when blizzard invited all of those whiners from reddit thread. Give it a rest viper nobody here wants to hear your crap, make constructive posts or stop all together. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Very creative indeed. Blizzard already said they aren't sure if they can ship the game with ranked mode. Like that's literally one of the most basic things competetive games have these days. But everything will be fine! Criticism in the beta is bad because it isn't the finished game!!!!!11 What kind of stupid logic is that. If anything people should be extremely criticial right now so blizzard actually gives a damn. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
In short: Bitching about the same shit over and over doesn’t mean people are going to give a shit. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 25 2015 05:44 The_Red_Viper wrote: The same old "hey everything will change for the better 100% so any criticism right now is pointless" post. Very creative indeed. Blizzard already said they aren't sure if they can ship the game with ranked mode. Like that's literally one of the most basic things competetive games have these days. But everything will be fine! Criticism in the beta is bad because it isn't the finished game!!!!!11 What kind of stupid logic is that. If anything people should be extremely criticial right now so blizzard actually gives a damn. 4 weeks into a 8 month beta? Yeah, that's pointless. When it gets to April and they still don't have anything, start complaining. Criticize things that exist but are implemented poorly. They know it's not finished, we know it's not finished, everyone knows it's not finished. Your bitching will not make it any less so. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
Also, the game is played on 20 tickrate, has no scoreboard, and is made by the same company whose latest offerings are Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm. While there may be a competitive scene, it will be designed from the ground up to be a casual game, so don't expect a lot of support from Blizzard in that regard. | ||
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