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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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ref4
2933 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:21 Plansix wrote: And people love them. I would also point out the most cosmetics in real life can't be seen by the person wearing them. unless you know when you come across a mirror. every bathroom has a mirror. pretty sure you'll see yourself in your cosmetics IRL at least twice a day (more if you like taco bell). not to mention with how narcissistic young people are nowadays they'll more than likely see their cosmetics with the copious amounts of selfies on their facebook, instagram, twitter whatever else. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:18 Requizen wrote: And I never understood it there either. Gun skins, sure, because that's literally what's always in your vision. But a hat you only see on character select and death cams. People like altering their character to be their own. You can't see it all of the time, but other people can see your skin, and you can likely see it at certain points (character select, "Play of the Game" intro). Blizzard and Valve are catering to that desire for customization. As long as it's purely cosmetic, there's no reason to complain about it. On October 29 2015 02:27 Plansix wrote: People like to dress up action figures. Its the exact same appeal of customizing a WH40K army or making a costume for Halloween. Knowingly or not, Plansix, you struck the perfect example here for Req. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22209 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:29 ref4 wrote: unless you know when you come across a mirror. every bathroom has a mirror. pretty sure you'll see yourself in your cosmetics IRL at least twice a day (more if you like taco bell). not to mention with how narcissistic young people are nowadays they'll more than likely see their cosmetics with the copious amounts of selfies on their facebook, instagram, twitter whatever else. Selfies are not to see yourself. they are to show other people how good you look. same thing with skins in an FPS. they are a status symbol and a means to show off. And people will spend a lot of money on stuff like that. You don't buy designer cloths because they are the best, you buy them so others can see you have the money to buy them. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:29 ref4 wrote: unless you know when you come across a mirror. every bathroom has a mirror. pretty sure you'll see yourself in your cosmetics IRL at least twice a day (more if you like taco bell). not to mention with how narcissistic young people are nowadays they'll more than likely see their cosmetics with the copious amounts of selfies on their facebook, instagram, twitter whatever else. Just a little ageism in there to make sure this post is total junk. My fiancee and I take selfies with each other all the time and we are not teens. So your theory of narcissism is pretty shit, IMO. And you see the equipment at the beginning of every match, which is more often than a mirror. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:28 Disengaged wrote: God, Tracer looks SO MUCH FUUNN AHHHHHH | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: People like altering their character to be their own. You can't see it all of the time, but other people can see your skin, and you can likely see it at certain points (character select, "Play of the Game" intro). Blizzard and Valve are catering to that desire for customization. As long as it's purely cosmetic, there's no reason to complain about it. Knowingly or not, Plansix, you struck the perfect example here for Req. I can't claim it was my observation. The art director of the new Xcom said it about why people love the equipment screen. But the observation is on point and its why cosmetics are so profitable. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:27 Plansix wrote: People like to dress up action figures. Its the exact same appeal of customizing a WH40K army or making a costume for Halloween. Yeah but when I paint up my Necrons and Daemons it's more for my happiness than my opponents. Though, I do appreciate playing against a painted army than against one who isn't. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
In Overwatch you will just buy a skin, in WH40k you customize each character to your liking and that is unique. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On October 28 2015 22:54 Yurie wrote: Oh then it might be interesting. Stopped with LoL and smite due to the unlock systems and stuck to DotA instead. Unlocks and similar things that cause an uneven play-field are the bane of any multi player game. In single player you don't really notice it unless they shove it in your face, you just have more challenge. u can unlock every current and future god in smite for 30$ which is imo very fair price | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:33 Plansix wrote: Just a little ageism in there to make sure this post is total junk. My fiancee and I take selfies with each other all the time and we are not teens. So your theory of narcissism is pretty shit, IMO. And you see the equipment at the beginning of every match, which is more often than a mirror. I said young people no teens. You can be an adult and still young. Age 18 - 30, 35 people are young. Anyway thanks for proving my point. Might want to add reading comprehension to your bucket list. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:47 Kipsate wrote: Isn't that more about the process of painting and dressing up instead? There is typically an inventory or at least some menu where you can play virtual dress up regardless. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:48 ref4 wrote: I said young people no teens. You can be an adult and still young. Age 18 - 30, 35 people are young. Anyway thanks for proving my point. Might want to add reading comprehension to your bucket list. To old for that. I am what I am and that is a guy who points out shitty posts about narcissism. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:47 Kipsate wrote: Isn't that more about the process of painting and dressing up instead? In Overwatch you will just buy a skin, in WH40k you customize each character to your liking and that is unique. Yeah that's what I'm saying, it's different than buying a skin. He tried to compare buying skins to painting an army, which is completely not the same. I'm not saying they shouldn't do hats/skins, I'm just saying I probably won't buy them unless it's like a really cool weapon skin. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:47 kongoline wrote: u can unlock every current and future god in smite for 30$ which is imo very fair price And to be honest, I would have been moderately ok if Blizzard had gone that route. I bought that back before Smite released and it was beyond worth it - far more value than I got out of anything in League. That said, if Blizzard is going to make all characters available fo' frizzle, I'm super happy about that. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
People have cared about how they looked for the past... forever. Maybe you dont care about how you look, but its not narcissistic for other people to care about how they look. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:55 Requizen wrote: Yeah that's what I'm saying, it's different than buying a skin. He tried to compare buying skins to painting an army, which is completely not the same. I'm not saying they shouldn't do hats/skins, I'm just saying I probably won't buy them unless it's like a really cool weapon skin. "And I wont buy any...unless I do" lol. And I dont see how its different...you paint your army so it can be unique and be yours...same reason people buy skins.. Saying skins is a status of financial success is silly..as a lot of broke people use their income on skins in video games who are anything but financially successful. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 29 2015 03:01 MaestroSC wrote: "And I wont buy any...unless I do" lol. And I dont see how its different...you paint your army so it can be unique and be yours...same reason people buy skins.. Saying skins is a status of financial success is silly..as a lot of broke people use their income on skins in video games who are anything but financially successful. The only skins I would buy are weapon skins that I could see as well as enemies. I wouldn't buy a hat that I only see at hero select, it just doesn't make much sense to me. And that's really still not the same thing. Your specific paint job is going to be unique to you (unless you paint specifically to be similar to lore/another person), skins are the same for everyone. It's like when Pulsefire Ezreal came out in LoL and freaking every Ezreal you saw was using it. I bought a lot of skins in League. I always did it because I liked the way they looked or the effects they had. It was never so people would see me and think I was badass or cool. And I never saw anyone using a skin and thought "oh man they must be good at the game". | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 29 2015 03:01 MaestroSC wrote: "And I wont buy any...unless I do" lol. And I dont see how its different...you paint your army so it can be unique and be yours...same reason people buy skins.. Saying skins is a status of financial success is silly..as a lot of broke people use their income on skins in video games who are anything but financially successful. I think it'd be more accurate to say it presents the illusion of financial success. Lots of broke people also spend money on fancy clothes or other cosmetic real life things in order to exude that status, often in an inherently counter-productive way. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On October 29 2015 01:50 Plansix wrote: I find the entire discussion of declaring games failures or successes through the setting of arbitrary metrics super tiresome. It is this circle jerk debate where everyone just sets their own bar and claims the game got there or didn’t make it based on that their own standards. Well don't think anyone in here has said HOTS was either a failure or a succes. I think most people view it as something that's inbetween. It's making a bit of money, but it's likely not hugely profitable. Its possible that they notice that there is a huge potential to get a large portion of the market, if it kicks off then other companies might attempt to copy them. This is the fastest way to get as many people to play the game, by making it F2P with no limitations on actual gameplay. There are two major reasons to got F2P. 1. You want to cater to the eastern asian market where it has a huge impact on whether people want to play it or not. 2. The brand value of the company of the game is not strong enough and the entry barrier to the market is too high. For instance Riot had to make League of Legends F2P as it - in 2009 - was competting with AAA companies. AAA companies on the other hand can spend more money towards advertising. Further if the game is in a very competitive market, it's also unlikely that people will spend money upfront (which was the case with Heroes of the Storm). Most likely, I think OW will have an upfront payment of $10-20 + microtransactions (similar to CS:GO). That's unless they really think they could obtain a huge playerbase in asia where FPS historically haven't been as popular. | ||
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