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I can't believe this is Blizz's first new IP in 16 years! The last time Blizzard came out with an original IP I was virtually a fucking zygote. It was Starcraft 1. And this actually looks pretty cool...I got bored of TF2 really quick, this looks like it will have quite a bit more depth. Personally I think we're all more than a little tired of gritty, dismal realism and it's nice to see a shooter that looks silly and fun for once.
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On November 12 2014 07:35 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2014 07:23 ref4 wrote:On November 12 2014 06:57 diehilde wrote:
so, blizz scraps the ambitious project and announces a game with a generic superheroes story, generic pixar look and generic team shooter gameplay? Blizz has gone from never failing to amaze to never failing to disappoint in the last two decades :/ Titan was supposed to be a MMO, but why would you make competition for one of your biggest cash cow (WoW)? It just doesn't make sense from a financial point of view. IMO Overwatch is a good move from Blizzard since now they pretty have at least one game/one foot in all the video game genres out there (RTS, MOBA, FPS, hack-and-slash, MMORPG etc.) Besides nobody plays a FPS game for the story, as long as it is fun. Or they dont give 2 hoots about competition and instead changed it because they could not make it fun/engaging/whatever enough as an MMO.
Don't believe every reasoning they release to the public...
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I found Overwatch announcement to be pretty funny for me. On one hand the art style is terrible, I dislike it very much. Being an active wow player already fills my cartoony graphics limits, something else would be way better. On the other hand gameplay looked promising enough and got me interested in the game (unlike hots and hearthstone). I hope I'll get into beta to check it out.
On November 12 2014 06:01 RuiBarbO wrote:
I'm curious to see where the art style goes as they add more characters and unveil more maps. Maybe they'll even put in a female character whose waist is more than half the width of her shoulders.
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On November 12 2014 09:47 Nilrem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2014 09:11 furymonkey wrote:
I would say first impression is very important for casual players, and by going this art style, they will able to reach wider audience group, such as the one from WoW. Majority of video game players falls under casual player category.
Hardcore players will only be attracted to the game if the gameplay are well designed, not due to the art style.
I sort of have to disagree. The idea of gameplay and art style (aesthetics) is not something that can simply stated as black or white. Even with hardcore players, if the art style is too damning, one can still be turned off. It is a culmination of both and while one may carry more weight than the other (gameplay more than aesthetics), one cannot merely underplay or ignore the latter. For myself, the viability of the game as a whole will not be determined until I can get my hands on it. The general feel, killing capabilities, and potential for it being skill reliant will be figured out next year. I do not want the game to be built around the idea of competitive play. Having tools available would be greatly appreciated. In the end, the game looks like it will be fun to play with friends. If it holds more depth than other games released lately, I will be happy. At this point, I am just looking forward to playing a game that is actually fun.
I think the art is pretty important when your gameplay looks like a mashup of 3 or 4 popular titles from recent years. A more subtle and original look could make a lot of those Dota and TF2 related features look less like direct ripoffs and demonstrate that the company is still capable of having their own original ideas too. As it is now, some moments and details in the trailer were a bit too directly reminescent of the game's influences (TF2 medic ray, anyone?).
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On November 12 2014 10:02 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2014 09:53 diehilde wrote:On November 12 2014 07:53 Godwrath wrote:
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@diehilde Yep, it is sad, but probably it was for the best. Atleast for me, MMORPGs are just a chore nowadays and their moment has passed. Maybe in ten years, when i am completely desintoxicated of the genre, i may enjoy something new, but for now, a fun shooter which is not TF will serve me well. While I agree that I dont have time for grinding classic MMORPGs anymore, I think the unrealized potential of the genre is a lot bigger than that of the team shooter genre. On November 12 2014 07:23 ref4 wrote:On November 12 2014 06:57 diehilde wrote:
so, blizz scraps the ambitious project and announces a game with a generic superheroes story, generic pixar look and generic team shooter gameplay? Blizz has gone from never failing to amaze to never failing to disappoint in the last two decades :/ Titan was supposed to be a MMO, but why would you make competition for one of your biggest cash cow (WoW)? It just doesn't make sense from a financial point of view. IMO Overwatch is a good move from Blizzard since now they pretty have at least one game/one foot in all the video game genres out there (RTS, MOBA, FPS, hack-and-slash, MMORPG etc.) Besides nobody plays a FPS game for the story, as long as it is fun. Why is it that nowadays everybody comments on blizzards actions like a shareholder? I am commenting as a gamer and as a gamer all I can say is that their recent (well almost a decade now really) products have pretty much sucked hard in comparison to their classics. And from the looks of it this "Overwatch" game is far from classic material as well. I dont care how much money blizz makes and if its a "good move" from an economical point of view. I like analogies, so here is one: Imagine McDonalds would have been the finest steak house in the world at some point in the past and now they would be releasing a new trashy burger. Why would I care about it being potentially profitable for McDonalds? I like a good steak, not fast food. Im no shareholder, Im a fan of good video games and as such, Im disappointed by blizz and this "Overwatch" bs. Being able to make more money doesnt justify everything. This is hugely disappointing and Im calling it. It is very much your personal opinion that the game sucks, and you state it like its a fact. I for one am positively surprised by this and very much look forward to testing it. In contrast Heroes of the Storm was a big diappointment to me.
Agreed, it is very much subjective whether a game "rocks" or "sucks" but how well it does on sales and on a financial point of view is cold, hard fact. There is no product in the world that is liked by 100% of the population. In my opinion I quite like the take on Overwatch since it branches out in a different direction than the good ol' Starcraft/Warcraft/Diablo themes. In regards to Heroes I find it fun to play but awfully boring to spectate so I don't expect it to explode like the next big Esport Blizzard has b touting about, unless some drastic basic changes are made.
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On November 13 2014 00:00 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2014 10:02 Redox wrote:On November 12 2014 09:53 diehilde wrote:On November 12 2014 07:53 Godwrath wrote:
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@diehilde Yep, it is sad, but probably it was for the best. Atleast for me, MMORPGs are just a chore nowadays and their moment has passed. Maybe in ten years, when i am completely desintoxicated of the genre, i may enjoy something new, but for now, a fun shooter which is not TF will serve me well. While I agree that I dont have time for grinding classic MMORPGs anymore, I think the unrealized potential of the genre is a lot bigger than that of the team shooter genre. On November 12 2014 07:23 ref4 wrote:On November 12 2014 06:57 diehilde wrote:
so, blizz scraps the ambitious project and announces a game with a generic superheroes story, generic pixar look and generic team shooter gameplay? Blizz has gone from never failing to amaze to never failing to disappoint in the last two decades :/ Titan was supposed to be a MMO, but why would you make competition for one of your biggest cash cow (WoW)? It just doesn't make sense from a financial point of view. IMO Overwatch is a good move from Blizzard since now they pretty have at least one game/one foot in all the video game genres out there (RTS, MOBA, FPS, hack-and-slash, MMORPG etc.) Besides nobody plays a FPS game for the story, as long as it is fun. Why is it that nowadays everybody comments on blizzards actions like a shareholder? I am commenting as a gamer and as a gamer all I can say is that their recent (well almost a decade now really) products have pretty much sucked hard in comparison to their classics. And from the looks of it this "Overwatch" game is far from classic material as well. I dont care how much money blizz makes and if its a "good move" from an economical point of view. I like analogies, so here is one: Imagine McDonalds would have been the finest steak house in the world at some point in the past and now they would be releasing a new trashy burger. Why would I care about it being potentially profitable for McDonalds? I like a good steak, not fast food. Im no shareholder, Im a fan of good video games and as such, Im disappointed by blizz and this "Overwatch" bs. Being able to make more money doesnt justify everything. This is hugely disappointing and Im calling it. It is very much your personal opinion that the game sucks, and you state it like its a fact. I for one am positively surprised by this and very much look forward to testing it. In contrast Heroes of the Storm was a big diappointment to me. Agreed, it is very much subjective whether a game "rocks" or "sucks" but how well it does on sales and on a financial point of view is cold, hard fact. There is no product in the world that is liked by 100% of the population. In my opinion I quite like the take on Overwatch since it branches out in a different direction than the good ol' Starcraft/Warcraft/Diablo themes. In regards to Heroes I find it fun to play but awfully boring to spectate so I don't expect it to explode like the next big Esport Blizzard has b touting about, unless some drastic basic changes are made.
You could say the same about csgo though, no?
But maybe csgo has more suspense cause of the gamemode itself?
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On November 12 2014 05:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2014 05:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 12 2014 04:16 MilkDud wrote:On November 12 2014 04:10 Yacobs wrote:On November 12 2014 04:09 MilkDud wrote:
Did anyone else feel slightly uncomfortable with the feeling that the cinematic trailer looks like it was marketed towards 11 year olds while glorifying and sanitizing violence and its consequences?
Right because teens wouldn't enjoy cartoony violence without Blizzard's evil influence. I'm not even talking about teens here. It seems like Blizz is aiming even younger with this trailer. It's attitudes like this that created the "Real is Brown" and "Real is Slow" age of gaming. Gritty and dark doesn't mean more mature. It just means the game looks gritty and dark. Having blood in a game doesn't mean it's for adults. It means that the game has blood in it. Agreed, I am tired of games that try to be realistic or gritty. Sure, the game is filled with bloodless violence, but so is CS. Even Unreal and Quake have super minimal gore(compared to games today). Really, I am just tired of games being so serious and I am happy Blizzard is switching it up. I hope that kid from the trailer becomes a playable character and runs around in his hoddie, backpack and that huge punchy fist as a weapon.
Signing up on this one myself. Its boring and, to an extent, exhausting that every AAA shooter is "brown and serious". Its incredibly rare to get exceptions even to the extent of TF2. Let alone something even brighter like this.
The cinematic was silly and fun, the art style is bright and colourful and clean, the gameplay looks solid enough and has some nice exciting features.
10 hype points out of 10 personally.
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On November 13 2014 00:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 00:00 ref4 wrote:On November 12 2014 10:02 Redox wrote:On November 12 2014 09:53 diehilde wrote:On November 12 2014 07:53 Godwrath wrote:
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@diehilde Yep, it is sad, but probably it was for the best. Atleast for me, MMORPGs are just a chore nowadays and their moment has passed. Maybe in ten years, when i am completely desintoxicated of the genre, i may enjoy something new, but for now, a fun shooter which is not TF will serve me well. While I agree that I dont have time for grinding classic MMORPGs anymore, I think the unrealized potential of the genre is a lot bigger than that of the team shooter genre. On November 12 2014 07:23 ref4 wrote:On November 12 2014 06:57 diehilde wrote:
so, blizz scraps the ambitious project and announces a game with a generic superheroes story, generic pixar look and generic team shooter gameplay? Blizz has gone from never failing to amaze to never failing to disappoint in the last two decades :/ Titan was supposed to be a MMO, but why would you make competition for one of your biggest cash cow (WoW)? It just doesn't make sense from a financial point of view. IMO Overwatch is a good move from Blizzard since now they pretty have at least one game/one foot in all the video game genres out there (RTS, MOBA, FPS, hack-and-slash, MMORPG etc.) Besides nobody plays a FPS game for the story, as long as it is fun. Why is it that nowadays everybody comments on blizzards actions like a shareholder? I am commenting as a gamer and as a gamer all I can say is that their recent (well almost a decade now really) products have pretty much sucked hard in comparison to their classics. And from the looks of it this "Overwatch" game is far from classic material as well. I dont care how much money blizz makes and if its a "good move" from an economical point of view. I like analogies, so here is one: Imagine McDonalds would have been the finest steak house in the world at some point in the past and now they would be releasing a new trashy burger. Why would I care about it being potentially profitable for McDonalds? I like a good steak, not fast food. Im no shareholder, Im a fan of good video games and as such, Im disappointed by blizz and this "Overwatch" bs. Being able to make more money doesnt justify everything. This is hugely disappointing and Im calling it. It is very much your personal opinion that the game sucks, and you state it like its a fact. I for one am positively surprised by this and very much look forward to testing it. In contrast Heroes of the Storm was a big diappointment to me. Agreed, it is very much subjective whether a game "rocks" or "sucks" but how well it does on sales and on a financial point of view is cold, hard fact. There is no product in the world that is liked by 100% of the population. In my opinion I quite like the take on Overwatch since it branches out in a different direction than the good ol' Starcraft/Warcraft/Diablo themes. In regards to Heroes I find it fun to play but awfully boring to spectate so I don't expect it to explode like the next big Esport Blizzard has b touting about, unless some drastic basic changes are made. You could say the same about csgo though, no? But maybe csgo has more suspense cause of the gamemode itself?
That depends on the person watching it. I think CS in general is fun to spectate as long as the observer does a good job. On the other hand, for me, DotA clones are really boring to spectate while they can be fun when playing with friends.
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On November 13 2014 01:35 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 00:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 13 2014 00:00 ref4 wrote:On November 12 2014 10:02 Redox wrote:On November 12 2014 09:53 diehilde wrote:On November 12 2014 07:53 Godwrath wrote:
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@diehilde Yep, it is sad, but probably it was for the best. Atleast for me, MMORPGs are just a chore nowadays and their moment has passed. Maybe in ten years, when i am completely desintoxicated of the genre, i may enjoy something new, but for now, a fun shooter which is not TF will serve me well. While I agree that I dont have time for grinding classic MMORPGs anymore, I think the unrealized potential of the genre is a lot bigger than that of the team shooter genre. On November 12 2014 07:23 ref4 wrote:On November 12 2014 06:57 diehilde wrote:
so, blizz scraps the ambitious project and announces a game with a generic superheroes story, generic pixar look and generic team shooter gameplay? Blizz has gone from never failing to amaze to never failing to disappoint in the last two decades :/ Titan was supposed to be a MMO, but why would you make competition for one of your biggest cash cow (WoW)? It just doesn't make sense from a financial point of view. IMO Overwatch is a good move from Blizzard since now they pretty have at least one game/one foot in all the video game genres out there (RTS, MOBA, FPS, hack-and-slash, MMORPG etc.) Besides nobody plays a FPS game for the story, as long as it is fun. Why is it that nowadays everybody comments on blizzards actions like a shareholder? I am commenting as a gamer and as a gamer all I can say is that their recent (well almost a decade now really) products have pretty much sucked hard in comparison to their classics. And from the looks of it this "Overwatch" game is far from classic material as well. I dont care how much money blizz makes and if its a "good move" from an economical point of view. I like analogies, so here is one: Imagine McDonalds would have been the finest steak house in the world at some point in the past and now they would be releasing a new trashy burger. Why would I care about it being potentially profitable for McDonalds? I like a good steak, not fast food. Im no shareholder, Im a fan of good video games and as such, Im disappointed by blizz and this "Overwatch" bs. Being able to make more money doesnt justify everything. This is hugely disappointing and Im calling it. It is very much your personal opinion that the game sucks, and you state it like its a fact. I for one am positively surprised by this and very much look forward to testing it. In contrast Heroes of the Storm was a big diappointment to me. Agreed, it is very much subjective whether a game "rocks" or "sucks" but how well it does on sales and on a financial point of view is cold, hard fact. There is no product in the world that is liked by 100% of the population. In my opinion I quite like the take on Overwatch since it branches out in a different direction than the good ol' Starcraft/Warcraft/Diablo themes. In regards to Heroes I find it fun to play but awfully boring to spectate so I don't expect it to explode like the next big Esport Blizzard has b touting about, unless some drastic basic changes are made. You could say the same about csgo though, no? But maybe csgo has more suspense cause of the gamemode itself? That depends on the person watching it. I think CS in general is fun to spectate as long as the observer does a good job. On the other hand, for me, DotA clones are really boring to spectate while they can be fun when playing with friends.
Nah sure, i just meant what makes csgo more fun to watch than for example overwatch?
Shooters are just pretty hard to spectate i think, but maybe the csgo gamemode in itself is interesting enough (once you are dead you stay dead till next round, etc), there is some kind of suspense in it.
If you are dead and just join again, maybe it is hard for a spectator to enjoy it?
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He was originally talking about Heroes, not Overwatch, I think
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On November 13 2014 01:40 SKC wrote:
He was originally talking about Heroes, not Overwatch, I think
Oh fuck, ahah yeah i should read more than the bold part i guess -.-
But then again, my point "kinda" stands, do you think a shooter like overwatch would be fun to watch at all?
Edit: no he talks about overwatch, today is a weird day man -.- :D
edit2: just forget that i am too dumb to read
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If people can appreciate CS, Quake, TF2, there's nothing about Overwatch's concept that makes it bad to spectate.
That specific sentence was about Heroes. "In regards to Heroes I find it fun to play but awfully boring to spectate". Then the other guy talked about Overwatch because of your reply.
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On November 13 2014 01:44 SKC wrote:
If people can appreciate CS, Quake, TF2, there's nothing about Overwatch's concept that makes it bad to spectate.
CS has the format which makes it kinda easier to spectate i think.
Quake was mostly 1vs1 which is a plus in that regard as well.
TF2, i never even heard there is an esports scene tbh
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TF2 wasn't really a big thing in ESPORTS because there was no real support. But there was a competitive scene. The same thing could be said in regards to Dota, and it easily blew up with proper support. If lots of people play it lots of people will watch it.
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Of course overwatch will be fun to watch
Casually, it will be fun to watch people enjoying themselves playing the game (assuming its enjoyable, always an "if" but I'm not too worried).
Competitively, it will be fun to watch people playing incredibly well and doing things you never knew were possible etc. The design SOUNDS like it leaves a ton of space for creativity (contrasting certain other pre-beta blizzard games) which would easily make up for any percieved lack of "skill" required (no twitch aiming necessary or w/e) in terms of causing interesting competitive gameplay.
However, if there's one thing SC2 has taught us it's that a "purely competitive" game doesn't have the same capacity for success that a more accessible, fun game does. So don't worry too much about the competitive aspects.
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On November 13 2014 01:47 SKC wrote:
TF2 wasn't really a big thing in ESPORTS because there was no real support. But there was a competitive scene. The same thing could be said in regards to Dota, and it easily blew up with proper support.
Yeah sure, but you don't need a huge support when people like it.
I just never saw TF2 mentioned as esports either.
So i kinda wonder if overwatch would have the same problem (well blizzard will probably support it, but is it fun to watch?)
I don't think it is a weird thing to say that shooters are kinda hard to appreciate in the first place.
(but then again, i think the cod and halo scene in america isn't even small?)
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TF2's issue wasn't that it was hard to spectate. Most people agree Melee is an awesome fighting game, both to play and watch, but it wasn't really big for the longest time because reasons.
Shooters were the first genre to dominate ESPORTS, and not only with Quake and CS. Outside of Korea there really wasn't anything near their size until SC2 was released. They were the first genre with million dollar promotional tournaments and failed experiences on television. Even console FPS' were sucessful, MLG was based on Halo. There is nothing about FPS' that make it particularly poor to watch. I would say it's far better than an RTS in that regard.
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On November 13 2014 00:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 00:00 ref4 wrote:On November 12 2014 10:02 Redox wrote:On November 12 2014 09:53 diehilde wrote:On November 12 2014 07:53 Godwrath wrote:
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@diehilde Yep, it is sad, but probably it was for the best. Atleast for me, MMORPGs are just a chore nowadays and their moment has passed. Maybe in ten years, when i am completely desintoxicated of the genre, i may enjoy something new, but for now, a fun shooter which is not TF will serve me well. While I agree that I dont have time for grinding classic MMORPGs anymore, I think the unrealized potential of the genre is a lot bigger than that of the team shooter genre. On November 12 2014 07:23 ref4 wrote:On November 12 2014 06:57 diehilde wrote:
so, blizz scraps the ambitious project and announces a game with a generic superheroes story, generic pixar look and generic team shooter gameplay? Blizz has gone from never failing to amaze to never failing to disappoint in the last two decades :/ Titan was supposed to be a MMO, but why would you make competition for one of your biggest cash cow (WoW)? It just doesn't make sense from a financial point of view. IMO Overwatch is a good move from Blizzard since now they pretty have at least one game/one foot in all the video game genres out there (RTS, MOBA, FPS, hack-and-slash, MMORPG etc.) Besides nobody plays a FPS game for the story, as long as it is fun. Why is it that nowadays everybody comments on blizzards actions like a shareholder? I am commenting as a gamer and as a gamer all I can say is that their recent (well almost a decade now really) products have pretty much sucked hard in comparison to their classics. And from the looks of it this "Overwatch" game is far from classic material as well. I dont care how much money blizz makes and if its a "good move" from an economical point of view. I like analogies, so here is one: Imagine McDonalds would have been the finest steak house in the world at some point in the past and now they would be releasing a new trashy burger. Why would I care about it being potentially profitable for McDonalds? I like a good steak, not fast food. Im no shareholder, Im a fan of good video games and as such, Im disappointed by blizz and this "Overwatch" bs. Being able to make more money doesnt justify everything. This is hugely disappointing and Im calling it. It is very much your personal opinion that the game sucks, and you state it like its a fact. I for one am positively surprised by this and very much look forward to testing it. In contrast Heroes of the Storm was a big diappointment to me. Agreed, it is very much subjective whether a game "rocks" or "sucks" but how well it does on sales and on a financial point of view is cold, hard fact. There is no product in the world that is liked by 100% of the population. In my opinion I quite like the take on Overwatch since it branches out in a different direction than the good ol' Starcraft/Warcraft/Diablo themes. In regards to Heroes I find it fun to play but awfully boring to spectate so I don't expect it to explode like the next big Esport Blizzard has b touting about, unless some drastic basic changes are made. You could say the same about csgo though, no? But maybe csgo has more suspense cause of the gamemode itself?
CSGO can show case individual skill which increases spectator value
I haven't really noticed that with HotS in my BlizzCon viewing
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I used to watch a little competitive TF2 but it never really got big. Format wasn't bad; typically 6v6 with max 1 medic, 2 scout, 2 soldier and 1 or 2 of other "tech" classes (frequently a demo).
It was fun to watch but it just...never really took off.
And although that was the standard format...Highlander was a way cooler idea. X-D
Shame its hard to get consistent and communicative 9-person teams.
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