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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16932 Posts
when Blizzard and ATVI commits limited resources to a beta test they want serious feedback from real money spending customers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFM_(customer_value) i've gotten into every SC2 beta super early every round due to Blizzcon attendance and the amount of cash I've spent on the Starcraft franchise. i also think Blizzard wants feedback from people who are not Blizzard fans and in a calculated move they'll dish out a certain # of invites to people with no predetermined allegiance to them.. AKA free BNet accounts. layered over that Blizzard wants substantial technical feedback from a variety of PC configurations and video cards. its all calculated and measured.. ATVI does nothing as expensive as a beta in a random way because there is too much money on the line. | ||
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lestye
United States4184 Posts
They said random is random, and I believe it. Video cards probably have way more influence than $ spent. On February 19 2016 22:33 Redox wrote: Or you can talk about heros being boring or one-dimensional to play. Torbjorn and Symmetra belong in that category for me. Also not a big fan of Mercy and Bastion. I think heroes LOOK a lot simpler than they are. I think the Perfect example is Medic from TF2. Medic in a nutshell: You hold down left mouse button and follow people around. But that's not really accurate on how the best players in TF2 play it, there's a lot of skill at the high level, not just doing that 1 job and calling it a day. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16932 Posts
On February 20 2016 02:07 lestye wrote: I really doubt that. I know a good chunk of people who have 11 years of wow, collectors edition on several games,decent Blizzcon attendance and they didnt get in. Meanwhile my friends 13 year old little brother get in and all they do is play hearthstone. read my entire post. ATVI doesn't put their $10,000 customers into the same pile as their $0 customers. They just don't. if they've invited a group of $0 customers its in a calculated move to get feedback from people with no allegiance to Blizz products and/or the guys CPU/GPU specs. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
If we go down that path of discussion, just as well they could try to woo in non-paying customers with the beta access in hopes of them falling in love with the game and becoming paying customers for Overwatch and future games rather than giving access to people that already bought or will buy it anyway. I don't have a wikipedia link though. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16932 Posts
ATVI never throws around its limited resources randomly.. ever. http://kotaku.com/activision-has-been-hit-with-layoffs-i-m-told-freesty-1759229868 | ||
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DCRed
Finland435 Posts
On February 20 2016 01:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think ATVI treats customers who've spents thousands of dollars very differently than a free BNet account with $0 of spending.. that includes Beta Access. when Blizzard and ATVI commits limited resources to a beta test they want serious feedback from real money spending customers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFM_(customer_value) i've gotten into every SC2 beta super early every round due to Blizzcon attendance and the amount of cash I've spent on the Starcraft franchise. i also think Blizzard wants feedback from people who are not Blizzard fans and in a calculated move they'll dish out a certain # of invites to people with no predetermined allegiance to them.. AKA free BNet accounts. layered over that Blizzard wants substantial technical feedback from a variety of PC configurations and video cards. its all calculated and measured.. ATVI does nothing as expensive as a beta in a random way because there is too much money on the line. Yeah that's why my main account with every game, more money in WoW alone than I can count, pre-ordering everything etc etc doesn't get beta access while my smurf account with like total of 10$ spend on it got beta access. And all those poor sods in reddit crying why they don't get invites with thousands spend on their accounts meanwhile random joes who are not even interested get invites. Not to mention, regardless of my anecdotal evidence, imagine the shitstorm if lying about pre-ordering giving increased access got leaked out? They'd lose shit ton of those pre-orders right away. Do you actually do anything else except praise your lord and savior Bobby Kotic and his miracle of ATVI? Or do you just get paid to advertise. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21945 Posts
On February 20 2016 02:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Beta tests are too expensive to do random shit... they're just telling you its random to manage expectations. ATVI never throws around its limited resources randomly.. ever. http://kotaku.com/activision-has-been-hit-with-layoffs-i-m-told-freesty-1759229868 1) they are so expensive they had a long beta phase where all the people invited were journalists and streamers long before hype was needed for sales. 2) Blizzard is independent from Activision. Activision has no say in what happens at Blizzard 3) your spouting bullshit. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16932 Posts
On February 20 2016 02:28 Gorsameth wrote: 1) they are so expensive they had a long beta phase where all the people invited were journalists and streamers long before hype was needed for sales. 2) Blizzard is independent from Activision. Activision has no say in what happens at Blizzard 3) your spouting bullshit. the entire LotV beta access pre-order complex set of rewards and bonsues has ATVI fingerprints all over it. So does this Covert Ops thing. if you think Blizzard comes up with all that themselves and ATVI just says "ya ok whatever u want" you are dreaming. A publisher convinced Morhaime to rename the company.. so claiming a publisher has no influence on Morhaime's company is incorrect. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21945 Posts
On February 20 2016 02:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote: my info about how ATVI analyzes its customer base comes from my work with Arnica Software Corporation. utterly irrelevant since they do not have a say in the activities of Blizzard! | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16932 Posts
On February 20 2016 02:33 Gorsameth wrote: utterly irrelevant since they do not have a say in the activities of Blizzard! if a previous publisher with very little power can tell Morhaime to rename the company.. then ATVI can have far more influence. | ||
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lestye
United States4184 Posts
On February 20 2016 02:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote: read my entire post. ATVI doesn't put their $10,000 customers into the same pile as their $0 customers. They just don't. if they've invited a group of $0 customers its in a calculated move to get feedback from people with no allegiance to Blizz products and/or the guys CPU/GPU specs. When it comes to Beta products, they absolutely do not give a shit. Random is Random for the sake of beta invites. The whales who buy hearthstone packs do not get priority over randoms who have $0 invested in the context of beta invites. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16932 Posts
On February 20 2016 02:07 lestye wrote: I really doubt that. I know a good chunk of people who have 11 years of wow, collectors edition on several games,decent Blizzcon attendance and they didnt get in. Meanwhile my friends 13 year old little brother get in and all they do is play hearthstone. They said random is random, and I believe it. Video cards probably have way more influence than $ spent. i'm glad you've conceded its not random On February 20 2016 02:28 Gorsameth wrote: 2) Blizzard is independent from Activision. Activision has no say in what happens at Blizzard 3) your spouting bullshit. this is hilarious. #3. its "you are" or "you're" but its hilarious in the same line as some sweraing. #2. Blizzard is a subsidiary of ATVI. Blizzard is not independent. Morhaime reports to an ATVI guy. Morhaime no longer has a seat on the ATVI board. therefore, you are spouting bullshit. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Atleast if Reinhart blocks for you, you can't see much. Alone your pretty much just a bad 76. Also Mercy can't guardian angel anymore towards dead teamies, because people had issues discerning dead from alive teamies. Nerf because people are blind, feelsbadman. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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DCRed
Finland435 Posts
On February 20 2016 03:20 FeyFey wrote: Bastion is now more evil then pre noverwatch. Old damage + 360 rotation. Amp it up and melt everything before it can even shoot at you. Atleast if Reinhart blocks for you, you can't see much. Alone your pretty much just a bad 76. Also Mercy can't guardian angel anymore towards dead teamies, because people had issues discerning dead from alive teamies. Nerf because people are blind, feelsbadman. Mercy was pretty strong because of that as well. Team pushes to fight a point, team dies, mercy dives in and gets a free resurrect on everyone. They should probably buff her res range though now that she can't just dive to a dead player and get free res. Also yeah bastion dmg is so high now that I feel like pubs will see it as a problem still seeing as it's so easy to stomp with him, at least if you've one healer/tank babysit you. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16932 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
I will also miss tanking Tracer bombs with it. But I think they are just experimenting with Bastion after they saw Bastion and Reinhardt sitting on the paylod and drive it to the first check point without any problems in some tournaments. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On February 20 2016 05:47 FeyFey wrote: yeah super tank bastion was also silly, though some heroes could easily hit the core and melt him, but I guess many don't know about the core, should disable turning while core is hit haha. But atleast that Bastion gave you some reaction time. I will also miss tanking Tracer bombs with it. But I think they are just experimenting with Bastion after they saw Bastion and Reinhardt sitting on the paylod and drive it to the first check point without any problems in some tournaments. Even with a Tracer he had so much tank that you could unload into his core and he'd just turn around and wreck your face and just E back up like nothing just happened | ||
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