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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11922 Posts
February 19 2016 21:15 GMT
#2301
Nah, you just need to boil some newts eye with a bit of mandrake and the feet of a live chicken while chanting the wytches song and dancing barefooted across a woodland clearing that is naturally exactly circular, on which either 7 or 15 mushrooms grow, on midnight of the day after the new moon.

It is proven that that increases your chance of joining the Beta manyfold.
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
February 19 2016 21:31 GMT
#2302
On February 20 2016 03:20 FeyFey wrote:
Bastion is now more evil then pre noverwatch. Old damage + 360 rotation. Amp it up and melt everything before it can even shoot at you.
Atleast if Reinhart blocks for you, you can't see much. Alone your pretty much just a bad 76.

Also Mercy can't guardian angel anymore towards dead teamies, because people had issues discerning dead from alive teamies. Nerf because people are blind, feelsbadman.


Kaplan said yesterday that they will probably revert that Mercy change since it wasn't meant to affect her power. If it's such a concern they should make it into an option toggle where new players can take it away if they want to.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-20 01:53:44
February 20 2016 01:39 GMT
#2303
some good stuff about tick rate, interpolation and extrapolation.
who woulda thought CS160 would come in handy when discussing video games

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3u5kfg/everything_you_need_to_know_about_tick_rate/

and then here is a nice video explaining lag compensation



it'll be interesting to see what the tick rate is for the final full release PC version of overwatch. It will be an indicator of how serious Blizzard is about making this a competitive title.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-20 02:17:32
February 20 2016 02:17 GMT
#2304
On February 20 2016 10:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it'll be interesting to see what the tick rate is for the final full release PC version of overwatch. It will be an indicator of how serious Blizzard is about making this a competitive title.

It's always amazing how Liquid forums pretend that being serious about making competitive titles is remotely relevant to anything.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-20 03:03:01
February 20 2016 03:01 GMT
#2305
guess you didn't see my post about uncle mike thinking its an integral part of Blizzard's game dev process. so from the perspective Mike Morhaime provided... its relevant to more than just "anything".
according to Mike Morhaime its relevant to everything.

so umm ya... i guess Mike's an idiot.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 20 2016 03:06 GMT
#2306
On February 20 2016 12:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
guess you didn't see my post about uncle mike thinking its an integral part of Blizzard's game dev process. so from the perspective Mike Morhaime provided... its relevant to more than just "anything".
according to Mike Morhaime its relevant to everything.

so umm ya... i guess Mike's an idiot.

No, Mike Morhaime is a CEO who has practiced buzzwords and marketing speak.

The fact that you take his word at face value says a lot more about you than it does about him.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-20 03:14:49
February 20 2016 03:10 GMT
#2307
i don't think he's bullsihtting... if he were an accountant type CEO then maybe.
he is an engineer, coder and company founder. not some cookie cutter MBA guy like EA has spouting bullshit. The guy attends GSL events... Does the big SC2 reveal in Korea... etc etc etc.

so when the leader of the organization says its vital to all their game development.. and Blizzcon is the culmination of a year of competition in SC2, Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm and WoW i'd say competitive play is important to Blizzard game development.

and that is how its relevant.

your comment is so far out in left field its silly.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 20 2016 03:22 GMT
#2308
On February 20 2016 12:10 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i don't think he's bullsihtting... if he were an accountant type CEO then maybe.
he is an engineer, coder and company founder. not some cookie cutter MBA guy like EA has spouting bullshit

so when the leader of the organization says its vital to all their game development.. and Blizzcon is the culmination of a year of competition in SC2, Hearthstone, and WoW i'd say competitive play is important to Blizzard game development.

and that is how its relevant.

SC2 is an exception, and the only game Blizzard has truly released with the intent of professional competition. And in the next two expansions, the competitive features were minor (limited to a handful of new units), while the casual, single player and team-based multiplayer had major overhauls and feature additions.

Hearthstone is a prime example of a game released with accessibility, playability and non-dedicated play in mind, considering the highly competitive genre it was matched with.

WoW is a perfect example of what the general strategy of Blizzard has been (and, IMO, should be): player interest and fun first, competitive play once the base exists.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-20 03:30:57
February 20 2016 03:29 GMT
#2309
you forgot heroes of the storm and the automatch button in so many of their games.

thanks for acknowledging the competitive aspect of the majority of Blizzard titles.
glad you can now see how competitive play is 'relevant to anything'.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 20 2016 03:37 GMT
#2310
On February 20 2016 12:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
you forgot heroes of the storm and the automatch button in so many of their games.

thanks for acknowledging the competitive aspect of the majority of Blizzard titles.
glad you can now see how competitive play is 'relevant to anything'.

Well, since we're clear on how little it takes for a game to be "competitive", you'd agree that tick rate isn't relevant to anything, right?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-20 03:39:34
February 20 2016 03:38 GMT
#2311
and Diablo3's season mode is a really competitive outlet as well. All i have for Borderlands is an Excel spreadsheet and keeping score by hand in a manual scavenger hunt mode played on the honour system. D3 guys have a fully automated season scoring system that's really damn cool .. i really wish Borderlands had it.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
February 20 2016 03:47 GMT
#2312
The D3 season leaderboards frankly don't mean anything besides who has more time to play. It has almost nothing to do with skill besides the fact that those who play eventually pick up some skill. It's all about luck in fishing for that perfect rift.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-20 04:26:32
February 20 2016 04:03 GMT
#2313
On February 20 2016 12:47 Valiver wrote:
The D3 season leaderboards frankly don't mean anything besides who has more time to play. It has almost nothing to do with skill besides the fact that those who play eventually pick up some skill. It's all about luck in fishing for that perfect rift.


its miles better than what Borderlands has.. and its not just about time on the toughest difficulty levels.
and if Borderlands had a season mode damn that would be sweet. It is clear Blizzard is more committed to competitive play than Gearbox.

and none of this means anything about a game like Overwatch which is almost completely devoid of PvE. D3's season mode demonstrates Blizzard's commitment to turning just about anything it can into "competitive play" of some form...and its a form of competition Borderlands players are begging for.

On February 20 2016 12:37 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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On February 20 2016 12:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
you forgot heroes of the storm and the automatch button in so many of their games.

thanks for acknowledging the competitive aspect of the majority of Blizzard titles.
glad you can now see how competitive play is 'relevant to anything'.

Well, since we're clear on how little it takes for a game to be "competitive", you'd agree that tick rate isn't relevant to anything, right?


how little? most of the games they make are made for competition. and those that aren't they find ways to superimpose or overlay some kind of competitive aspect in WoW and D3.

any how.
tick rate along with the other factors in the link i posted impact the upper level of competitiveness... its all in the link i posted. a tick rate of 2 makes competitive play very frustrating no matter how great the interpolation is. a tick rate of 128 opens up the possibility of competitive play being really good if the other factors discussed in the link i provided are taken care of properly. a proper tick rate is a necessary but not sufficient condition for satisfying hit detection mechanics.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
February 20 2016 11:35 GMT
#2314
Guys, what is even the point keeping this discussion going?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
February 20 2016 18:05 GMT
#2315
Jeff Kaplan is going all Rob Pardo on us.

http://www.pcgamesn.com/overwatch/overwatch-beta-backlash-surprised-jeff-kaplan-may-have-done-things-differently-in-hindsight

"if i had to do it over again i'd call it an alpha and put an NDA on it."
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22459 Posts
February 20 2016 18:15 GMT
#2316
On February 21 2016 03:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Jeff Kaplan is going all Rob Pardo on us.

http://www.pcgamesn.com/overwatch/overwatch-beta-backlash-surprised-jeff-kaplan-may-have-done-things-differently-in-hindsight

"if i had to do it over again i'd call it an alpha and put an NDA on it."

I'm going to assume the irony of your post was missed by you since your resent posts show you are part of the problem that Kaplan is talking about.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-20 19:16:03
February 20 2016 18:42 GMT
#2317
you're cryptic so i'm interpreting. but i'll say this.
when have i complained? i've said 1000X i prefer the Pardo approach. i've made dozens of posts lauding Pardo's approach to both PR and game development.

the best quote on the issue i can recall
" consumers are like mushrooms .. feed 'em shit and keep 'em in the dark."

also: i'm in the beta.

rather than make this about me... why not read the article and discuss Overwatch, Kaplan and the Beta.

people (not me) have complained that only streamers were allowed into the Beta test.
Kaplan's comment : "something like less than a percent of our entire beta invites were to streamers.” i think its a matter of perception becoming reality.

this article is a good well-timed peace of PR by Kaplan and Blizz.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
February 20 2016 19:15 GMT
#2318
I'm curious to watch some competitive play. Is there a calendar somewhere with matches? Is there any forum or community or good Twitter feed dedicated to competitive Overwatch? Does anyone stream scrims?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-20 19:26:10
February 20 2016 19:18 GMT
#2319
there is some esl competitive play uploaded to youtube
+ Show Spoiler +



there is some very recent Overwatch competition level play also cast in french.

also, this is a good place to start
https://www.reddit.com/r/competitiveoverwatch

and something called the Game On Overwatch Cup #1 is on tomorrow
http://www.gosugamers.net/overwatch/tournaments/9518-game-on-overwatch-cup-1

if i have nothing better to do i'm going to check it out...it'll prolly be cast on twitch.tv
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
February 20 2016 19:19 GMT
#2320
On February 21 2016 04:15 NonY wrote:
I'm curious to watch some competitive play. Is there a calendar somewhere with matches? Is there any forum or community or good Twitter feed dedicated to competitive Overwatch? Does anyone stream scrims?

There's some info in the LP tournament portal. There of course aren't any Premier or Major tournaments yet, but there are some minor/weekly events listed.
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