General Discussion - Page 112

On February 16 2016 08:07 yookstah wrote:
Their skill cap isn't that high

E: you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

On February 16 2016 08:11 Valiver wrote:

Well who do you think takes the most skill? I'm okay with his list but would add hanzo.

On February 16 2016 08:27 Gorsameth wrote:
Almost all the scripted missions in Xcom 1 were from DLC so maybe they will come later.

On February 16 2016 08:24 Plansix wrote:
Ah, the skill cap discussion has returned. Where some rando comes in and declares the "skill cap of the game is low". As if skill cap was some agreed upon term and a tried and true method of measuring it existed. A metric created by fans of games to shit on other games they think are worse and never used by game designers ever.

"Excuse me fans of a upcoming video game, I am here to tell you all about that game and pass my opinion off as accepted fact. Please argue against me."

Pretty much sums of every discussion of skill cap ever posted. Some person doesn't like a game, shows up and tells people who like it that its for babies.

On November 23 2015 08:53 yookstah wrote:
I think there is a pretty good skill cap in this game. There's less hero moding (although, when I play reaper with a zen orb I can go to town most of the time). It's less about your ability to click on people and more about using your abilities effectively. The people that claim the game has such a low skill cap are clearly the best ever... already??

I come from Quake, CS & TF2, and all of those obviously require you click on the bad dude better than in this game. I really like the somewhat RPS factor of swapping heroes and such mid game. You can definitely start with a staple of like Rein, Dva, mercy, zen/lucio, mcree/widow junkrat/pharah/etc, then adapt mid-game. I just hope it doesn't turn out like tf2 with the standard 4 classes in competitive.

Definitely can't wait to play this competitively. Playing from aus on 180-200 ping is much more playable than the other FPS' I have played.




I think most of the tanks are some of the most fun tbh. Definitely about positioning and being aware who is alive on your team so you don't just go in rambo. If you have another tank and wanna play tanky, roadhog is mad as a roaming tank/offtank/solo killer with hook -> shot + melee killing most squishies pretty handily. I myself have my fair share of enjoying the fragging classes the most, but even a hero like zen (if your team needs a support) is pretty fun, as you can just own dudes from long range and live most of the game if you position well and are somewhat protected.

EDIT: I've seen Pharah pushback work against zen ult, so I assume roadhog ult would do the same. I'd also note that roadhog ult p much obliterates reinhardt, so if there's some guy sitting on a cap and you have your ult, you can definitely make him have a sad time.

On February 16 2016 08:15 yookstah wrote:


The general skill cap of the game as it stands right now is extremely low when compared to a lot of other "big" competitive titles. Sure you can click on dudes a bit better and maybe use ur abilities a bit better, but there is a certain point you'll get to (which won't take long) which will have you 'mastered' the hero. In terms of movement there is very little depth save for Tracer & Soldier 76, which definitely hurts the game, too.

In terms of actually answering your question, I honestly don't know. Talked to lots of other top TF2 players and some really good Quake players and their opinions are the same.

Who cares though, right? As long as Blizz throw a buttload of money at it, doesn't matter, eh?

Oh, yeah. I'm not actually "trolling" btw; I just dislike a lot of Blizzard's design and balancing decisions. Many other top competitive FPS gamers share the same opinion. Most of the other's who disagree are blinded by potential $$$$$

On February 16 2016 09:36 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Theres something wierd about dragging up someone posts from 3 months ago when the game is about that old. Anyways, i don't see a problem. It does appear to have a lower skill cap compared with other FPS titles, and I don't see why everyone is so hostile about it. In the other threads there are plenty of people who slag off the game in question, and in SC2 plenty of people were saying it had lower skill cap.

On February 16 2016 09:38 yookstah wrote:


I for one am definitely not hostile about its skill ceiling as of now, and thank you for pointing out my post was a few months ago. It's great and accessible for a lot of people, making it enjoyable for a lot of people Organised games are great too, but I just think there needs to be 'a bit more' for some heroes, and 'a bit less' for others.

On February 16 2016 09:43 Gorsameth wrote:

Well good thing then that the game is being actively balanced then...

On February 16 2016 05:54 Tenks wrote:


Yeah I think the turret is a tad strong. People will bring up various reactions but almost all of them require a bit of coordination. And thats great. Torb isn't overall too strong but he does require certain responses which makes him very strong in pubs. Heroes that require the opponent to do something specific always can feel pretty strong in pub environments.

On February 16 2016 16:13 yookstah wrote:
Just go for a stroll and pew pew guys your weapon is ridiculous

On February 16 2016 08:24 Plansix wrote:
Ah, the skill cap discussion has returned. Where some rando comes in and declares the "skill cap of the game is low". As if skill cap was some agreed upon term and a tried and true method of measuring it existed. A metric created by fans of games to shit on other games they think are worse and never used by game designers ever.

"Excuse me fans of a upcoming video game, I am here to tell you all about that game and pass my opinion off as accepted fact. Please argue against me."

Pretty much sums of every discussion of skill cap ever posted. Some person doesn't like a game, shows up and tells people who like it that its for babies.