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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
April 15 2014 22:11 GMT
#81
On April 16 2014 05:41 Boblion wrote:
Looks like something between Pandora and the SMAC mod for Civ IV.

pandora was shocking
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
April 16 2014 08:51 GMT
#82
On April 16 2014 04:37 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 04:31 digmouse wrote:
On April 16 2014 04:19 deth2munkies wrote:
On April 16 2014 03:57 digmouse wrote:
I never played Civ (I do have 5 on Steam) nor any turn based strategy game, but might take a look at this since I'm a sci-fi guy.

Don't bother waiting

http://www.gog.com/game/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri

http://www.gog.com/game/master_of_orion_1_2

lol probably not, I'm simply bad at managing anything.


Honestly, if you play the low difficulties on AC, you can turn governor on every base and still win

That kinda took out of the fun eh? (But I don't play games on high difficulties anyway).
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 16 2014 09:22 GMT
#83
On April 16 2014 04:31 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 04:19 deth2munkies wrote:
On April 16 2014 03:57 digmouse wrote:
I never played Civ (I do have 5 on Steam) nor any turn based strategy game, but might take a look at this since I'm a sci-fi guy.

Don't bother waiting

http://www.gog.com/game/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri

http://www.gog.com/game/master_of_orion_1_2

lol probably not, I'm simply bad at managing anything.

And you will become better once you spend a few hours playing games like Civ.
GENerateSAYing
Profile Joined April 2014
United States103 Posts
April 16 2014 10:01 GMT
#84
I just want more information on the AI. Civ5 was a great game, but I couldn't get past the AI had to cheat at even the lowest difficulties. Thankfully the MP was there to use and my friends and I are waiting with bated breath.
You have to earn a chance at redemption.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 10:15:46
April 16 2014 10:14 GMT
#85
civ5 was amazing or still IS amazing so it cant be rly bad ^^

On April 16 2014 19:01 GENerateSAYing wrote:
I just want more information on the AI. Civ5 was a great game, but I couldn't get past the AI had to cheat at even the lowest difficulties. Thankfully the MP was there to use and my friends and I are waiting with bated breath.


you need a cheating AI to really have a fair game ... to be honest ... programm a good ai and you get rich ^^
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GENerateSAYing
Profile Joined April 2014
United States103 Posts
April 16 2014 10:45 GMT
#86
On April 16 2014 19:14 Drake wrote:
civ5 was amazing or still IS amazing so it cant be rly bad ^^

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 19:01 GENerateSAYing wrote:
I just want more information on the AI. Civ5 was a great game, but I couldn't get past the AI had to cheat at even the lowest difficulties. Thankfully the MP was there to use and my friends and I are waiting with bated breath.


you need a cheating AI to really have a fair game ... to be honest ... programm a good ai and you get rich ^^


Don't get me wrong, I know why it cheats but it does rub me the wrong way. I wish I could program a better AI--you're right I'd be rich .

With technology ever advancing and the team having more experience with the 1U/T perhaps the AI can get more advance with this go around.

It's probably too early in the process to get good answers about it though. I'll just have to be patient.
You have to earn a chance at redemption.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
April 16 2014 11:20 GMT
#87
Oh god I fucking loved alpha centauri even if I didn't get to play it much

yes please, yes please indeed!
In the woods, there lurks..
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
April 16 2014 11:28 GMT
#88
Therre are plenty of games that have a decent AI.

There is also always the option to make the gameplay assymetric in a singleplayer game.


Examples of an asymetric game that is still a great strategy game is AI War.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
April 16 2014 15:04 GMT
#89
Plus I only have vanilla Civ and have no idea about how to upgrade it to something like Gold Edition, don't really want to buy all the DLCs.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
April 16 2014 15:40 GMT
#90
On April 17 2014 00:04 digmouse wrote:
Plus I only have vanilla Civ and have no idea about how to upgrade it to something like Gold Edition, don't really want to buy all the DLCs.


If you have Steam, you can go to the Civ 5 shop page and purchase upgrades. The price will be the difference between what vanilla is selling for right now and what the gold edition is selling for right now.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
April 16 2014 16:22 GMT
#91
On April 17 2014 00:40 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 00:04 digmouse wrote:
Plus I only have vanilla Civ and have no idea about how to upgrade it to something like Gold Edition, don't really want to buy all the DLCs.


If you have Steam, you can go to the Civ 5 shop page and purchase upgrades. The price will be the difference between what vanilla is selling for right now and what the gold edition is selling for right now.

Yeah I know what you mean, but GnK and BNW cost 60$ together let alone all the smaller packs and they don't offer upgrade options to Gold or Complete, guess I'll wait till there is a price drop on Complete (and dust it since I can't really find an incentive to play it despite everyone is praising it).
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
April 16 2014 16:27 GMT
#92
On April 17 2014 01:22 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 00:40 andrewlt wrote:
On April 17 2014 00:04 digmouse wrote:
Plus I only have vanilla Civ and have no idea about how to upgrade it to something like Gold Edition, don't really want to buy all the DLCs.


If you have Steam, you can go to the Civ 5 shop page and purchase upgrades. The price will be the difference between what vanilla is selling for right now and what the gold edition is selling for right now.

Yeah I know what you mean, but GnK and BNW cost 60$ together let alone all the smaller packs and they don't offer upgrade options to Gold or Complete, guess I'll wait till there is a price drop on Complete (and dust it since I can't really find an incentive to play it despite everyone is praising it).


Wait for a sale. You should be able to pick up both of them for maybe $15
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Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
April 16 2014 16:39 GMT
#93
On April 17 2014 01:22 digmouse wrote:
Yeah I know what you mean, but GnK and BNW cost 60$ together let alone all the smaller packs and they don't offer upgrade options to Gold or Complete, guess I'll wait till there is a price drop on Complete (and dust it since I can't really find an incentive to play it despite everyone is praising it).


Civ is one of those weird games that I have no motivation to play until I boot it up randomly out of boredom and then spend 4 hours glued to my computer "next-turn"-ing until my enemies are ground beneath my iron boot (or my iron handshake of peace, as the case may be).

With the addition of GnK and BNW at the same time, having never played either, the game will be pretty different for you. So much of the tech tree and the buildings have been changed (especially the early ones), that all of your strategies from the base game are probably out the window. And since all the culture stuff is totally different in BNW, you will have that whole system to learn, along with all of the faith systems. It should be pretty interesting for you to get back into if you can find them at a decent price.
The Innocent shall suffer... big time.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
April 16 2014 16:44 GMT
#94
On April 17 2014 01:39 Rayeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 01:22 digmouse wrote:
Yeah I know what you mean, but GnK and BNW cost 60$ together let alone all the smaller packs and they don't offer upgrade options to Gold or Complete, guess I'll wait till there is a price drop on Complete (and dust it since I can't really find an incentive to play it despite everyone is praising it).


Civ is one of those weird games that I have no motivation to play until I boot it up randomly out of boredom and then spend 4 hours glued to my computer "next-turn"-ing until my enemies are ground beneath my iron boot (or my iron handshake of peace, as the case may be).

With the addition of GnK and BNW at the same time, having never played either, the game will be pretty different for you. So much of the tech tree and the buildings have been changed (especially the early ones), that all of your strategies from the base game are probably out the window. And since all the culture stuff is totally different in BNW, you will have that whole system to learn, along with all of the faith systems. It should be pretty interesting for you to get back into if you can find them at a decent price.

Not "back into" haha, I never played a single minute of Civ, just because the new Civ will be a sci-fi thing that kinda interests me.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 16 2014 16:54 GMT
#95
In the announcement presentation, Firaxis had explained that Civilization’s tech tree was gone, in favor of a “tech web” that allowed for more lateral movement. That naturally raised the question of how pre-requisite technologies work with this new system.

“There are no pre-requisites,” David explained. In Beyond Earth you really WILL have the freedom to move laterally through the tech web however you like, though technologies that are further out from your starting point in the center will cost more to research.


Source
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
April 16 2014 16:56 GMT
#96
On April 17 2014 01:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
In the announcement presentation, Firaxis had explained that Civilization’s tech tree was gone, in favor of a “tech web” that allowed for more lateral movement. That naturally raised the question of how pre-requisite technologies work with this new system.

“There are no pre-requisites,” David explained. In Beyond Earth you really WILL have the freedom to move laterally through the tech web however you like, though technologies that are further out from your starting point in the center will cost more to research.


Source

soft pre-reqs are still pre-reqs. If there is a tech that costs 5 turns to develop that increases your research speed by 50% then going for that and then a tech that costs 30 turns to develop is better than to just go for the 30 turn tech...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 17:05:12
April 16 2014 17:04 GMT
#97
On April 17 2014 01:56 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 01:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In the announcement presentation, Firaxis had explained that Civilization’s tech tree was gone, in favor of a “tech web” that allowed for more lateral movement. That naturally raised the question of how pre-requisite technologies work with this new system.

“There are no pre-requisites,” David explained. In Beyond Earth you really WILL have the freedom to move laterally through the tech web however you like, though technologies that are further out from your starting point in the center will cost more to research.


Source

soft pre-reqs are still pre-reqs. If there is a tech that costs 5 turns to develop that increases your research speed by 50% then going for that and then a tech that costs 30 turns to develop is better than to just go for the 30 turn tech...


Turn 1 start researching Ascent to Transcendence. Takes 100 turns, but you'll sure get it first.

But yeah, that's an interesting system and I like it. It allows you to forego the strict progression in situations where it makes sense.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 23:31:15
April 16 2014 23:25 GMT
#98
Not sure if I like the tech tree idea (seems to be the extreme opposite design philosophy of SMAC). I really enjoyed the random tech in AC, but I'm probably in the minority that actually likes random elements in strategy games- to an extent anyway (not too random, I mean).
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
April 16 2014 23:33 GMT
#99
On April 17 2014 08:25 screamingpalm wrote:
Not sure if I like the tech tree idea (seems to be the extreme opposite design philosophy of SMAC). I really enjoyed the random tech in AC, but I'm probably in the minority that actually likes random elements in strategy games- to an extent anyway (not too random, I mean).

what was random about AC, that you pick the different themes? But it still was a linear progression.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 23:43:17
April 16 2014 23:37 GMT
#100
On April 17 2014 08:33 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 08:25 screamingpalm wrote:
Not sure if I like the tech tree idea (seems to be the extreme opposite design philosophy of SMAC). I really enjoyed the random tech in AC, but I'm probably in the minority that actually likes random elements in strategy games- to an extent anyway (not too random, I mean).

what was random about AC, that you pick the different themes? But it still was a linear progression.


Actually random tech was a toggle option iirc. You're right that it was still a linear progression though. I like random elements like that which make you develop strategy on the fly, rather than having a set "build order" or mathematically beating the game before even playing it... :D I guess it's still better than the linear tech of civ, but really hope they keep random research in as an option at least.
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