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On January 23 2014 02:09 micronesia wrote:
Serejai on the flip side, if you are invited into an oqueue flex and the dps is all sub-100k, rather than seeing that as some type of a challenge you should just leave and find a less terrible group lol
Having to wait for groups over and over is a huge pain, though.
To be fair though it takes like 15 minutes waiting in a group before you even start, then another 15 to get to the boss. Then you really need to pull a boss first to determine how awful everyone is, since trash isn't a good indication. Basically you're looking at a minimum 45 minute commitment just to figure out whether or not you should be in the group. It's a damn shame.
Back in the day you could immediately tell upon joining how good or bad your group would be based on the names and guild tags you saw in the group. That's the benefit of having an actual server community; you knew people. Now it's just a massive coin flip since a lot of people in 560+ are garbage and so you can't really use ilvl to determine if a group will be worth staying in.
I've actually ditched oqueue like I said I would, though. I've used the Blizzard raid finder for my last few attempts. So far, despite these two terrible groups this morning, I've had a much better experience - although that's not really saying much.
I think I may just try to find another guild that needs to fill a spot in the latter half of normal mode until we can get to those bosses. Running Flex and putting up with this much bullshit just for a tiny chance at getting the 1-2 upgrades I need doesn't seem worth it.
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On January 23 2014 02:42 Teoita wrote:
Again, stay the fuck out of pugs. It's been like that since WotlK.
YOURE NOT THE BOSS OF ME. I AM AMERICAN. I WILL GO THROUGH HELL TO SUPPORT MY GUILD IN THEIR NORMAL MODE RUNS BY BRINGING BETTER DPS.
MURICA!
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Yeah when in pugs I focus only on execution, and mechanics and forget others. I just hate that kind of drama.
On that note, this combat log you mention about where people stood. Is there an add in required or just a feature on something that I've missed?
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There are two ways that I know of to view combat logs at the moment.
In-game you can use Pheonix Style and install the Combat Replay plugin for it.
For logs, the guild logs that I post should have them. Unfortunately I forgot to turn on Advanced Logging last night (or I thought I did a few weeks ago but it seems to have reset or something) so it's not available yet. Next week I'll make sure it gets uploaded, though.
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Oh good, I have advanced on (I better check apparently) so I can check my personal logs.
But I'll also give that Pheonix Style a whirl later.
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On January 23 2014 02:01 Serejai wrote:
People are quick to throw the nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses card around when someone else says vanilla or TBC was better... but in terms of community it sure as hell was. People were actually held accountable for things. If you joined a pug and played poorly... you weren't getting into another pug until you improved. Now it's just... ugh. There's no winning.
I would double my subscription to have a non-connected realm. You know... no cross realm zones. No connection to any other server. Just something where I can once again look at the names of people in a group I join and immediately know whether or not I'm going to be wasting my time. Item level is all we really have to judge people on these days and it's so unreliable.
I made this point in guildchat. You had a good list and a shitlist of every geared tank on the server back in Vanilla. You knew what you were getting into by name recognition, both in PvP and PvE. The community was small enough that you could do that. If you were an asshole, you had that reputation and it cost you groups. People didn't look at ilvl, they looked at your numbers on the bosses. As an affliction warlock, I perfected my rotation enough that I was just behind the good DS/Ruin locks, I was only geared in mostly T1 and MC stuff, but everyone knew I was good at what I did, so I got invited to groups.. Nowadays, people would have armoried my spec and gear, told me it was suboptimal and had a low ilvl, and kicked me out.
In the current game, all you have to do if you get kicked for being terrible, an asshole, or both, is queue up again and wait 10 minutes. There's no barrier to finding a group anymore, so there's no incentive to actually be good/nice in the game.
I really, really hate the community that the game has spawned and really hope we can keep shit in guild with people I trust and enjoy being around.
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On January 23 2014 02:45 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 02:09 micronesia wrote:
Serejai on the flip side, if you are invited into an oqueue flex and the dps is all sub-100k, rather than seeing that as some type of a challenge you should just leave and find a less terrible group lol
Having to wait for groups over and over is a huge pain, though. I think I may just try to find another guild that needs to fill a spot in the latter half of normal mode until we can get to those bosses. Running Flex and putting up with this much bullshit just for a tiny chance at getting the 1-2 upgrades I need doesn't seem worth it.
Or you could run flex with us (GTR is starting one later tonight), unless it conflicts with your schedule. Btw, you never seem to check the in-game guild calendar, lol.
Edit: Never mind, LOL. Just logged in and found out about GTR's emergency. Oh well.
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On January 23 2014 04:51 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 02:01 Serejai wrote:
People are quick to throw the nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses card around when someone else says vanilla or TBC was better... but in terms of community it sure as hell was. People were actually held accountable for things. If you joined a pug and played poorly... you weren't getting into another pug until you improved. Now it's just... ugh. There's no winning.
I would double my subscription to have a non-connected realm. You know... no cross realm zones. No connection to any other server. Just something where I can once again look at the names of people in a group I join and immediately know whether or not I'm going to be wasting my time. Item level is all we really have to judge people on these days and it's so unreliable. I made this point in guildchat. You had a good list and a shitlist of every geared tank on the server back in Vanilla. You knew what you were getting into by name recognition, both in PvP and PvE. The community was small enough that you could do that. If you were an asshole, you had that reputation and it cost you groups. People didn't look at ilvl, they looked at your numbers on the bosses. As an affliction warlock, I perfected my rotation enough that I was just behind the good DS/Ruin locks, I was only geared in mostly T1 and MC stuff, but everyone knew I was good at what I did, so I got invited to groups.. Nowadays, people would have armoried my spec and gear, told me it was suboptimal and had a low ilvl, and kicked me out. In the current game, all you have to do if you get kicked for being terrible, an asshole, or both, is queue up again and wait 10 minutes. There's no barrier to finding a group anymore, so there's no incentive to actually be good/nice in the game. I really, really hate the community that the game has spawned and really hope we can keep shit in guild with people I trust and enjoy being around.
I made a very similar complaint back in the FF14 beta when they announced cross server dungeon finder. The vast majority of responses I got were that people cared more about lower queue times, and any sense of "community" was on you to create and not the game. It was pretty disappointing to hear. One thing that is at least a little bit cool is that they have a commendation thing at the end where PT members can commend others and if you rack up so many commendations you get achievements/vanity rewards.
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On January 23 2014 02:40 Serejai wrote:
Round two!
Join a new Flex group; this time Flex 3.
Starts off terrible. A warlock in the raid keeps pulling EVERYTHING with his pet. He's a guildie of the raid leader. After we finally make it to Malk the raid leader asks who kept pulling things and his guildie warlock immediately blames the other innocent warlock in our group. Leader kicks the innocent warlock. A mage speaks up and says the wrong warlock was kicked; he gets kicked too.
Whatever. We pull Malk. There are four fucking mages in the group. Two puddles spawn near me, so I stand in one. Nobody stands in the other, despite there being three mages easily within blink range. We take raid damage and a Pally healer calls me out in chat with something to the extent of "druid... get puddles". Apparently I'm supposed to split myself in two or something.
A few sets of puddles later the closest one to me is 20 yards away. I have no possible way to make it there in time, and there are two mages within five yards of it. What could possibly go wrong? Boom. Raid damage, two people die. We finish the boss off and the Pally immediately calls me out again for not standing in puddles, claiming he saw me NEVER stand in a puddle and suggesting that I be kicked.
There's this nifty feature in combat logging these days, where you can go back and see a top down replay of exactly where everyone was standing during the fight. I informed the pally that he could check out the combat replay of the pull and see that I stood in more puddles than anyone else and never missed one during the entire fight. He /spit on me but kept his mouth shut and we continued on to spoils.
While waiting to pull the warlock sends me a whisper. He informs me that he's gonna have me kicked if I don't "check myself at the door". I inform him that I said nothing until his Pally guildie wrongfully accused me of making mistakes during the last boss and that even my comments then were nothing more than civil remarks about how he could check the combat replay to see that he was wrong.
Warlock responds in some broken english that I could barely make out; I'm assuming the guy is either twelve or mentally disabled.
[11:28:28] [W From] [90:Dranged-Sto:2]: he sed about mages not u big yo, u should mind ur own bizz bizz fegit fo i kick u
I'm not really sure what the fuck he was talking about considering the Pally not only said "druid" but also said "serejai" multiple times.
Fuck this shit. I opened all the crates I could on Spoils and left the group.
Best way for faggots like that is to pull as much shit as you can then drop group and tell them to go die.
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On January 23 2014 06:22 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 02:40 Serejai wrote:
Round two!
Join a new Flex group; this time Flex 3.
Starts off terrible. A warlock in the raid keeps pulling EVERYTHING with his pet. He's a guildie of the raid leader. After we finally make it to Malk the raid leader asks who kept pulling things and his guildie warlock immediately blames the other innocent warlock in our group. Leader kicks the innocent warlock. A mage speaks up and says the wrong warlock was kicked; he gets kicked too.
Whatever. We pull Malk. There are four fucking mages in the group. Two puddles spawn near me, so I stand in one. Nobody stands in the other, despite there being three mages easily within blink range. We take raid damage and a Pally healer calls me out in chat with something to the extent of "druid... get puddles". Apparently I'm supposed to split myself in two or something.
A few sets of puddles later the closest one to me is 20 yards away. I have no possible way to make it there in time, and there are two mages within five yards of it. What could possibly go wrong? Boom. Raid damage, two people die. We finish the boss off and the Pally immediately calls me out again for not standing in puddles, claiming he saw me NEVER stand in a puddle and suggesting that I be kicked.
There's this nifty feature in combat logging these days, where you can go back and see a top down replay of exactly where everyone was standing during the fight. I informed the pally that he could check out the combat replay of the pull and see that I stood in more puddles than anyone else and never missed one during the entire fight. He /spit on me but kept his mouth shut and we continued on to spoils.
While waiting to pull the warlock sends me a whisper. He informs me that he's gonna have me kicked if I don't "check myself at the door". I inform him that I said nothing until his Pally guildie wrongfully accused me of making mistakes during the last boss and that even my comments then were nothing more than civil remarks about how he could check the combat replay to see that he was wrong.
Warlock responds in some broken english that I could barely make out; I'm assuming the guy is either twelve or mentally disabled.
[11:28:28] [W From] [90:Dranged-Sto:2]: he sed about mages not u big yo, u should mind ur own bizz bizz fegit fo i kick u
I'm not really sure what the fuck he was talking about considering the Pally not only said "druid" but also said "serejai" multiple times.
Fuck this shit. I opened all the crates I could on Spoils and left the group. Best way for faggots like that is to pull as much shit as you can then drop group and tell them to go die.
Everything you bring up is why I don't play WoW, ff14, or basically any MMO ever anymore. And it's why FFXI will forever be my favorite MMO of all time. Server reputation was all you had, linkshells (guilds) held onto people for YEARS at a time, and you recognized people and came to know them as friends. I still occasionally talk to people from FFXI that I met in 2004 for christs sake. How fucking cool is that? Impossible in WoW today.
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I still talk to and flex with raiders I met in vanilla WoW circa 2004....
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On January 23 2014 06:26 farvacola wrote:
I still talk to and flex with raiders I met in vanilla WoW circa 2004....
Good for you! And I mean that genuinely. I unfortunately lost touch with most of the people I played WoW with. I'm not entirely sure why the people from FF were easier to stay in contact with. Hmmm....
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Solution: Stop using oQueue, switch to openraid...?
Openraid got me to 545 despite my godawful schedule for raiding. The only downside is that most of them have ridiculous ilvl requirements for flex, but it's still a good place to pug.
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What's the TL guild on NA called?
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United States4051 Posts
On January 23 2014 06:26 farvacola wrote:
I still talk to and flex with raiders I met in vanilla WoW circa 2004....
You're lucky, nobody I know has stayed with the game that long. So sad to see them dropping off the friends lists or not logged in for 4-5 years.
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hide your quest tracker, wtf
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I'm glad he had the quests visible because I see another person who can help take over for making noodles!
I skimmed the video of you guys doing wing 1 of soo on normal... that was one hell of a close finish on sha!
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We're awesome at everything except readychecks.
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On January 23 2014 10:10 deth2munkies wrote:
We're awesome at everything except readychecks.
lmao
i lead a raid for 2 weeks before i was to the point of a mental breakdown because people were incapable of clicking a button to denote that they were ready or not ready...so i forced my friend to be the new raid leader
Literally its a yes or no question... either you are or you are not...
This literally would drive me fucking insane, and no matter how much you harp on it there is always some jackass who is mentally afk until the pull who then miraculously goes from afk to doing his job despite missing the last 4 ready checks for 15 mins... all 15 of which he was sitting in the same spot doing the same thing...nothing...
fml
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