EPTIf your guild wants to progress and put more people in charge of when to use it, have that discussion with your guild on why they should use it at 0 on the timer, or hold onto the ring until this time, etc. If you are worried about pubs using it whenever, don't pub then. I don't pub on my rogue because I find it very annoying to get into groups that can't do mechanics and wipe, not because they use the ring incorrectly.
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
If your guild wants to progress and put more people in charge of when to use it, have that discussion with your guild on why they should use it at 0 on the timer, or hold onto the ring until this time, etc. If you are worried about pubs using it whenever, don't pub then. I don't pub on my rogue because I find it very annoying to get into groups that can't do mechanics and wipe, not because they use the ring incorrectly. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20340 Posts
However its been proven already that every boss can be beat without it, regardless of when its used The competence isn't there to kill harder heroic bosses and easier mythic ones without it, the ring "artificially" puts people against much harder content than they could otherwise handle That's the thing though, you don't have to revolve your cooldowns around it. Should you? Probably because yes, it does increase your dps. Consider it a random proc for you that gives you an extra 25% damage for 15 seconds every 2 minutes and move on. It's not 25% - the base level is 56.25% increase and by now it's up to a ~67% increase for 15 seconds every 2 minutes, you can be damn sure that people should hold 2 minute cooldowns for it i don't even try to have faith in randoms using it correctly but people using it at bad times in guilds is annoying - and it really shouldn't be. There's no reason to chain them all together involuntarily and make them required for competent DPS - it's just bad game design. | ||
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Gorsameth
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Anything that happened beyond that is something you should take up with your own guild and not something for this thread. | ||
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Cyro
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Acrofales
Spain18348 Posts
On August 28 2015 06:36 Cyro wrote: ^I never disagreed with any of that Then why have you been harping on about it for the last 2 pages? I seriously thought you were complaining about pugs. But if you're complaining about your guild failing to use it properly (in your eyes), bring it up within your guild. Talk to your DPS leader, your raid leader, your guild leader, your whateverthefuckhowyourguildisorganized leader. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22447 Posts
On August 28 2015 06:36 Cyro wrote: ^I never disagreed with any of that And yet you keep the discussion going with another 5-6 posts of yourself. This thread is not here to complain for 2 pages about how bad your guild is. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20340 Posts
This thread is not here to complain for 2 pages about how bad your guild is. using it at bad times in guild is annoying - and it really shouldn't be. There's no reason to chain them all together involuntarily and make them required for competent DPS - it's just bad game design. It's not a problem with any specific guild or PUG. The item itself creates those problems by design - i was giving some examples for easier discussion, though admittedly of past frustrations with it. And yet you keep the discussion going with another 5-6 posts of yourself Since my original post (where i did write "angry rant over") i didn't make another; i only replied, so i do not consider that accurate. If you didn't want to persue conversation, you didn't have to reply or ask questions | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
But alas people bitched because "wah I have to bring 6 shamans per raid waaah" even though they literally gave Heroism to mages / hunters in the next expansion anyway which would have solved the issue. | ||
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Cyro
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
The ring isn't my favorite design but if your guild is randomly popping it for no reason I can only assume they do the same with their own CDs (and Bloodlust) | ||
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Cyro
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Cyro
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22447 Posts
On August 28 2015 07:24 TomatoBisque wrote: I guess so? Maybe I just have a different mindset than most people I think Cyro has just been in a lot of bad guilds. Heck I'm currently raiding in a normal mode guild and we have a dedicated dps who uses his ring and the rest don't touch it. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20340 Posts
I think Cyro has just been in a lot of bad guilds. + Show Spoiler + Seven in 14 months due to five disbands and a trial of one that i didn't like, now this was threatening disband and changed leadership ~3 times. I've actually yet to see a guild that lasted over 3 months where people actually raided and enjoyed raiding in my whole life - It really makes playing an MMO taxing. I barely said anything in raid today and they still had people ragequitting and ended up cancelling the raid an hour and 15 minutes early due to not having enough healers left bad guilds are just a symptom of that problem though, the root cause is the annoying part | ||
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TomatoBisque
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Cyro
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Join WS guild - disband semi-merge with another due to bleeding players like crazy next disband because of WOD and bleeding way too many players again, even after repeated merges (i was not going to stop playing @WOD launch) Join WOD guild, that disbanded a few months later. Startup guild and it didn't work out Some of the guys made a new guild and recruited a bunch of people, it looked great and they made better progress, had better atmosphere than previous. Joined that one, disbanded a few months later because they didn't like WOD as a whole after clearing t17. At this point we were barely into BRF. I took a break, rerolled server, faction, class and joined another guild which had been around for years, stayed together through SOO etc. That went a bit over 3 months before they disbanded too shortly after 6.2 due to huge player turnover, difficulty recruiting, management not being so happy with the state of the game etc | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
Just don't burn yourself out over a game, it is intended for you to have fun ^^. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
Also, holy fuck the guilds you join man. At least I get to have fun with people I've known now nearly 10 years and our progress has never actually been better than this, compared to hc blackhand, hc archi was a cakewalk, some 50 pulls to kill it. Might even get to do mythic bosses this tier, especially with summer ending and people returning to the game again. | ||
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