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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
June 30 2015 14:54 GMT
#10481
trinkets from tanaan, from mobs or buying with apexis, along with trinkets from mythic dungeons are horribly understatted though. A 685 trinket from a mythic dungeon is barely equal to 670 trinket from normal brf.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 30 2015 15:07 GMT
#10482
That's why I noted trinkets under the crafting comments.

I feel like the lack of Baleful Offhands/Shields and the really awful stats on Baleful/Mythic Dungeon trinkets are mistakes though. I had Bonemaw's Big Toe drop and I just stared at it for a while. It had literally half the Strength of Vial of Convulsive Shadows despite being exactly the same iLvl. That doesn't seem like something that fits with Blizzard "you should be able to judge by iLvl" schtick from recent interviews.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20320 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 15:16:39
June 30 2015 15:08 GMT
#10483
The trinkets from mythic dungeons are heavily underrated, it might get fixed, maybe not. The dungeon trinkets were explicitly nerfed for some reason earlier in the expansion IIRC, but it might not apply now that we're at higher item levels

The Tanaan one is actually pretty good. For my spec at least, with agil + crit + multistrike or especially straight crit, at 695 it might not beat the 685's from brf hc but it should be close i think. Not worth upgrading the bad ones though, just wait out a bit longer to get another baleful trinket or the apexis to buy one.

All chests and rares in Tanaan have a chance to drop Baleful tokens which provide iLvl 650 gear. For 20000 Apexis Crystals you can upgrade the gear to iLvl 695. That sounds like a lot, but Tanaan's daily quests give 5000+, and if you double up your garrison daily with a scouting missing you can easily get 7500+ Apexis Crystals a day.


Tanaan actually gives ~11.2k apexis per day (not even counting any chests or drops), but you have to do four extra bonus events for the last 3200-3600 of that.

On top of that +800 from garrison mission (12k a day) i'm getting about 1k a day from the mage tower and i've got 3-4 missions already for 1-2k apexis from the shipyard, insta-completed with the mage tower tokens whenever they're long duration :D

you can do missives too, but i'm worried about garrison resources so not buying them ATM. So far i've spent like.. 40k apexis on boots, just trying to roll some with ideal stats because i have nothing better to spend it on - and i'l just grab the mount in some months time when we're still in Tanaan but i no longer have significant player power increases available to buy. I'm a MM hunter with 685 boots that don't have any crit on them and it's annoying

Considering upgrading my alchemy trinket from stage 4 to 6 (it's taking up my third crafted item slot) but i gotta sim that to see what difference it actually makes before going through 65k "worth" of upgrades on something that's in no way BiS
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 30 2015 15:12 GMT
#10484
I wasn't going to assume that level of commitment, though it's certainly possible.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20320 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 15:19:24
June 30 2015 15:15 GMT
#10485
I wasn't going to assume that level of commitment, though it's certainly possible.


If you just do the dailies it's still 8k :D

Also, there's a bird dude follower available from one of the reps at honored i think which doubles apexis gain from regular garrison missions. That can give you quite a lot
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 30 2015 15:39 GMT
#10486
Hey guys. I got my third garrison and i have serious trouble keeping up.

Is there a way to track or be notified when you have stuff to do on another character ? Which addon do i take ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 15:44:53
June 30 2015 15:44 GMT
#10487
MasterPlan is mandatory.

Also, don't worry too much about what comes off when. You should only need to check garrisons twice a day at most (once in the morning, once in the evening). You can level followers faster by checking more often, but it's not really worth it.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
June 30 2015 16:03 GMT
#10488
Broker garrison provides a nice overview of all missions (and work orders if you want) on all chars.
http://i.imgur.com/eQu2Sck.jpg
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 18:27:55
June 30 2015 17:47 GMT
#10489
I don't use master plan. I prefer Garrison manager. I don't see what's in Master plan that people love. What do i miss ?

@Warri. I installed Broker garrison but i don't see what you printed
Edit : oh ok it's working.
Thank you. It was what i was looking for
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 30 2015 18:30 GMT
#10490
MasterPlan's interface is just better for a variety of reasons.
  • The interface is more compact. I can see more missions at once than I can with Garrison Manager.
  • The interface is more informative. Without having to actually view the mission's detail page I can see multiple options for competing the mission (including some reliant on followers who are already on a mission), what counters are needed for the mission, and the mission's reward modified by both bonuses and the % chance of success. It also has very nice options for seeing what different follower types can and can't roll for counters.
  • The interface has spiffy features. Being able to set up tentative parties with a single click and then send them all at once is extremely nice and helps avoid mistakes. Bulk mission completion with information as to what failed and collated results is also extremely nice.
Basically, the only thing Garrison Mission Manager does is figure out follower combos for you. It makes no improvement to Blizzard's clunky Garrison UI. MasterPlan not only finds follower combos but overhauls the UI into something convenient, efficient, and informative.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
June 30 2015 18:41 GMT
#10491
That Garrison thing is really putting me off, it looks like it's designed to be a mobile app, so why didn't they release it as one?

The idea itself is really great, it's something I'd enjoy if I could do it whilst waiting for a green light or one-handed whilst taking a piss. But logging in every other hour or so to drag and drop some portraits isn't really a great concept.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 18:42:39
June 30 2015 18:41 GMT
#10492
Well since GM is just "open. Send all" i don't think i'll switch to master plan. Or maybe i'll try if they are compatible.

I like the %chance settings and the auto missions of GM

thanks for the post.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20320 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 19:06:09
June 30 2015 18:56 GMT
#10493
On July 01 2015 03:41 SixStrings wrote:
That Garrison thing is really putting me off, it looks like it's designed to be a mobile app, so why didn't they release it as one?

The idea itself is really great, it's something I'd enjoy if I could do it whilst waiting for a green light or one-handed whilst taking a piss. But logging in every other hour or so to drag and drop some portraits isn't really a great concept.


the gameplay is designed for the people who don't raid and want more reason to log in every day that takes less time than daily quests, but they tied way, way too much reward into it IMO. Also the missions of shorter duration (15 min to under 4 hours) are too short IMO. 4, 6, 8, 10, 12 hours is good, even 24 for a long mission - but i feel the shipyard is too far on the other side of the spectrum with the 72 hour missions that have no notable reward. 8000 exp for a ship that's gonna get blown up soon anyway and a plate baleful item when i have a lvl 100 hunter and lvl 41 mage? Nty - but i have to do it to get completion credit towards the quest needed to advance my shipyard to best complete the legendary quest for insanely OP ring
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
June 30 2015 19:17 GMT
#10494
Well, yeah, I get that, but as you said, 15-120 minute missions don't really work with that.

To level your dudes from when you get them, you have to do so many of those missions, it's nothing short of annoying.
I levelled from 91 to 100 in one night, and my Shadowmoon Valley slaves had barely reached level 93 at that point.

Well, maybe I'm complaining a bit too much about a game that I'm not really playing. ._.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 30 2015 19:25 GMT
#10495
Leveling your initial set of followers will take a bit, largely because you don't have access to the more potent experience missions. If you babysit your garrison it can go much faster, but I found it much more enjoyable just to wait until you get followers to 100. Once there, and especially once they have some iLvls, you can just throw a low level follower on a mission that gives 8000+ experience. They may only get 1-1.5k because of the level gap, but that's better than pretty much everything before level 95.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21950 Posts
June 30 2015 19:35 GMT
#10496
On July 01 2015 04:25 Seuss wrote:
Leveling your initial set of followers will take a bit, largely because you don't have access to the more potent experience missions. If you babysit your garrison it can go much faster, but I found it much more enjoyable just to wait until you get followers to 100. Once there, and especially once they have some iLvls, you can just throw a low level follower on a mission that gives 8000+ experience. They may only get 1-1.5k because of the level gap, but that's better than pretty much everything before level 95.

Harrison Jones. He makes your lvl 90 follower count as 100 giving him full XP. Makes it a cakewalk to level your followers but of-course it takes a while to get him tho it shouldn't be more then about 2 weeks.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 21:03:40
June 30 2015 20:13 GMT
#10497
Second on Harrison, try to bear the annoying quest line to get him.


sigh, 1 shot mannoroth on first pull of the night with a tank who has never raid tanked before, then spend 3 hours wiping in p1 archimonde
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 30 2015 23:57 GMT
#10498
wtf is the best way to do unseen influence once u looted most of the one time treasures fuck
running around for hours hoping for a rare is so irritating
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21950 Posts
June 30 2015 23:59 GMT
#10499
On July 01 2015 08:57 FinestHour wrote:
wtf is the best way to do unseen influence once u looted most of the one time treasures fuck
running around for hours hoping for a rare is so irritating

you can get 1/2/3 from doing the 3 Arena bosses at the Saber cat area.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20320 Posts
July 01 2015 01:15 GMT
#10500
On July 01 2015 04:35 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 04:25 Seuss wrote:
Leveling your initial set of followers will take a bit, largely because you don't have access to the more potent experience missions. If you babysit your garrison it can go much faster, but I found it much more enjoyable just to wait until you get followers to 100. Once there, and especially once they have some iLvls, you can just throw a low level follower on a mission that gives 8000+ experience. They may only get 1-1.5k because of the level gap, but that's better than pretty much everything before level 95.

Harrison Jones. He makes your lvl 90 follower count as 100 giving him full XP. Makes it a cakewalk to level your followers but of-course it takes a while to get him tho it shouldn't be more then about 2 weeks.


It actually takes 2 weeks on AVERAGE to get him, sometimes it's been as much as 2 months
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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