EPTlook at the EU graph. Point me the moment when all bots went flat line :D
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daemir
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look at the EU graph. Point me the moment when all bots went flat line :D | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On May 16 2015 00:12 daemir wrote: https://wowtoken.info/ look at the EU graph. Point me the moment when all bots went flat line :D LOL right before the 41,003g peak, if the ban wave hit everyone at the same time | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Actually that doesn't gel. Blizzard posted this after the bans went out, but that post (which occurred at noon PDT on the 13th) came before any noticeable changes occured in how the Token prices fluctuate. They probably just changed their algorithms again, and it happened to roughly coincide with banning bots. | ||
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daemir
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
They probably just changed their algorithms again, and it happened to roughly coincide with banning bots. It coincides pretty exactly though. It's either at literally at the same time (i know exactly when the guy in our raid was banned, i have a video recording with clocks on it) or 1 hour later, depending on time zones Look at https://wowtoken.info/ eu. The price change immediately dropped. It peaked at 41,003g and then acted very weirdly afterwards. That's exactly when the bans went out, down to the minute i think (might be an hour off because time zones) | ||
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Baatun88
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22478 Posts
On May 16 2015 02:35 Baatun88 wrote: I don't get why Bots should have an effect of Tokens. People get their Gold through the Garrison and doing Cata-Raids mostly. I only log-in two times a day and make at least 50k-100k Gold per Week only from Garrisons (with six Level100s) a large part of those banned were using a bot to automate garrison tasks. | ||
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Baatun88
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On May 16 2015 02:59 Gorsameth wrote: a large part of those banned were using a bot to automate garrison tasks. Yeah and how does that affect Tokens? People who botted for Gold are definitly no the one selling Tokens to get Gold so demand is getting down... | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 16 2015 01:04 daemir wrote: No, but they influenced the gold economy greatly. The graph is starting to recover now, but it took a day or 2 :p Not to mention the fear effect of "oh shit will I get banned?" and people holding off trading tokens either way. The graph actually isn't recovering, the peaks and troughs still have significantly less amplitude than before. If, over the course of the next week, things return to how they were before I'll accept this argument, but I think they won't. On May 16 2015 01:39 Cyro wrote: It coincides pretty exactly though. It's either at literally at the same time (i know exactly when the guy in our raid was banned, i have a video recording with clocks on it) or 1 hour later, depending on time zones Look at https://wowtoken.info/ eu. The price change immediately dropped. It peaked at 41,003g and then acted very weirdly afterwards. That's exactly when the bans went out, down to the minute i think (might be an hour off because time zones) It doesn't seem all that exact to me. Reddit reported the ban wave less than an hour after the post I linked, which is still hours before the token price peaked on EU. The correlation isn't as precise as you suggest. Moreover, I think the economic connection between the bots and Token prices is weak. Consider:
So the lost Token demand from these accounts would be, on any given day, minimal at most. Theoretically the bans might have dramatically increased supply as banned players created new accounts or resubbed old ones, buying gold in order to recover more quickly. However, in that case supply should be abnormally high resulting in a sharp drop and/or sustained low Token prices. That's not what happened either. I don't deny that the banned accounts probably had a lot of gold and contributed to inflation, but Tokens are a very special case and I think it's highly unlikely that the banned accounts were more than a blip in the fluctuations. | ||
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Gorsameth
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
It doesn't seem all that exact to me. Reddit reported the ban wave less than an hour after the post I linked, which is still hours before the token price peaked on EU. The correlation isn't as precise as you suggest. Our player got banned+dc'd at 9:41pm on the clock. I'm not sure if it was an hour before due to timezones or not, but it looks like either the bot ban had a weird effect on the tokens or they did something with the code at pretty much exactly the same time. That's also when all of the reddit threads started. I went to WoW reddit new section after the pull and there was a bunch of posts 2-3 minutes old about a ban wave | ||
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Seuss
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Cyro
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It felt silly to run the same content over and over even as your character got stronger, which is why the dungeon rewards were removed I'm entering my fourth difficulty of BRF and highmaul right now and i'l have to clear BRF for like, 12 weeks in a row minimum just to be competitive (gearing up at first, then STARTING and finishing the brf legendary ring step) terrible reason to destroy 5 mans IMO | ||
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daemir
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Mysticesper
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
It's WoW, so you can drastically overgear it and way more than that would finish it later in the expansion. My max crit when i hit level 100 was ~60k. Now it's ~252k? With the same ability. Chimaera Shot, against one target. We're still in the first tier, so i don't doubt their ability to make a dungeon that only 10% of people can clear, but like half of the game easily runs it 6-12 months later. Am I the only one who likes to run 5mans just for the joy of running 5mans? And they're a cool place to experiment on builds and rotations. I do too, but it's very very hard to find a CM group of people who won't leave after 1-2 wipes these days (or people who want to practice for silver-gold medal) and heroic 5 man has become too easy, it's just a joke for i690 people. I'l be doing the mythics probably more than the mandatory twice a week (they're supposed to have added mechanics, but i suspect they'll still be too easy) | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
but yeah, I miss TBC/wrath heroics where they actually required some level of thinking and had a level of challenge to them. (never played cata or panda, so I can't comment). Especially some of the hard modes like 45m shattered halls for attunement purposes (don't miss attunements though). Yeah 15-90 is pretty mindless, but I actually like it for that reason. It's a break from everything else and mindless dungeon spamming is actually kind of fun to me, especially since I only leveled healers for instant queues. When you have an aggressive tank, healing is pretty fun. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
heal is more like 3-4 min queue atm, i'm leveling with one. It's just not that fun IMO. Until i got arcane explosion, i did literally 100% of my damage with arcane blast because it was impossible to go OOM and it out-damages everything else, making fire and frost specs look silly. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On May 16 2015 09:30 Cyro wrote: Cata launch HC's were harder than wrath hc's (even at appropriate gear levels) in general, but the harder stuff got nerfed quite quickly IIRC heal is more like 3-4 min queue atm, i'm leveling with one. It's just not that fun IMO - i'm doing half the damage in every dungeon and the tank is almost all of the other half. For boss killing or questing, there's also only one button to press as a level 32 mage - arcane blast. Everything else does less damage and it's very difficult to go OOM. There's pretty wild spec imbalance, probably the wildest it's ever been at low levels. Yeah, I mean prot paladins can solo all the instances before lvl 60 pretty easily. Dungeoning at low levels is a joke. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On May 16 2015 09:33 deth2munkies wrote: Yeah, I mean prot paladins can solo all the instances before lvl 60 pretty easily. Dungeoning at low levels is a joke. BM hunters can easily solo instances 1-60. Protadins can probably do it while drunk. I got level 10-15 with this friend by walking into deadmines and 2-manning it. Red level elites and bosses? no problem Friend said it would be cool if we could just queue 2-man for dungeons and get the bonus exp from finishing it (it gives you like, most of a level still just from killing the last boss) but you can't do that, need to queue lfd and wait for some new/lazy players to carry through | ||
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