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On May 14 2015 11:16 bo1b wrote:
I just got rejected from a normal butcher advertising for ranged dps 640+
I'm a 700 ilvl demo lock
Never underestimate the ability of PUG raid leaders to decline you for absolutely no reason at all. I just put in like 8 applications and go afk at this point 
@above: glad we only lost one player from our circle of 18-ish people.
Putting out a huge ban wave at like.. 8pm? on a wednesday night is a sure way to make a splash. We start raiding ridiculously early but were 7/10 and on maidens pull at the time, most people were probably ~1-5 bosses deep or just starting raids
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We lost none afaik.
We raid late, 9pm-12am pacific time, but no reports of people who couldn't log in, who would have. Don't know about other guilds, but no real shitstorm in trade chat from what I can see, or people in this other guild that I may join if our uber late time doesn't work with my new job in a couple weeks.
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Arena is so different now, the amount of damage teams do feels like 20-30% lower and how easy it is to juke kicks lol
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On May 14 2015 12:11 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 11:16 bo1b wrote:
I just got rejected from a normal butcher advertising for ranged dps 640+
I'm a 700 ilvl demo lock Never underestimate the ability of PUG raid leaders to decline you for absolutely no reason at all. I just put in like 8 applications and go afk at this point
Our Holy Priest was gearing up a Pally alt and got kicked from a pug for low ilvl after they wiped. He was 10k HPS ahead of the other healers.
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the ban wave killed my guild - RIP cutting edge 
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On May 15 2015 03:06 Drazerk wrote:the ban wave killed my guild - RIP cutting edge
I am sorry for you but it just go's to show how many of 'top end' raiders are in fact phony.
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On May 15 2015 03:10 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 03:06 Drazerk wrote:the ban wave killed my guild - RIP cutting edge I am sorry for you but it just go's to show how many of 'top end' raiders are in fact phony.
we only lost our main tank but he was also one of two officers so losing him kind of killed the guild
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He shouldn't have been botting then
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On May 15 2015 05:42 Cyro wrote:He shouldn't have been botting then
Meh I'm probably just gonna quit for a bit. Already done most of HFC and none of the bosses aren't even remotely interesting and cutting edge isn't that important to me so its a good place to leave for a while. Hopefully when I get back the no flying no leaving your garrison expansion has ended
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I'm really glad about these bans, but I also think it's pretty weak from Blizzard to just make it a 6month ban. The new addon will be announced around that time, that's not suspicious at all. In my opinion these "players" should have their accounts permanently banned, but money talks I suppose.
Also, they only get their shit together now that wowtokens are being sold. I guess it was just technically impossible to target botters before now...
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How long has honorbuddy been around?
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Permaban for first time offenders is a bit crazy. Right now it's like a 6-month suspension for first time offenders, permaban for twice and i think that's fine.
How long has honorbuddy been around?
First time i heard it was after returning and i stopped playing shortly after 4.2. I've heard early MOP since then
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On May 15 2015 06:34 nimbim wrote:
I'm really glad about these bans, but I also think it's pretty weak from Blizzard to just make it a 6month ban. The new addon will be announced around that time, that's not suspicious at all. In my opinion these "players" should have their accounts permanently banned, but money talks I suppose.
Also, they only get their shit together now that wowtokens are being sold. I guess it was just technically impossible to target botters before now...
Yeah because Blizzard hasnt done ban waves of bots before right?
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On May 15 2015 06:52 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 06:34 nimbim wrote:
I'm really glad about these bans, but I also think it's pretty weak from Blizzard to just make it a 6month ban. The new addon will be announced around that time, that's not suspicious at all. In my opinion these "players" should have their accounts permanently banned, but money talks I suppose.
Also, they only get their shit together now that wowtokens are being sold. I guess it was just technically impossible to target botters before now... Yeah because Blizzard hasnt done ban waves of bots before right?
When was the last ban wave of bots? If I'm wrong I'll be happy about it, but I've never heard of it before and the only reports of a ban wave I found via google are from 2011.
edit: Looks like I'm just bad at using google. The most recent I have found now is from January 2014.
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Last real banwave of bots was when Glider got jacked. Which was still Cata?
Blizz isn't going to ban this many accounts after a Q1 report of them being down 2.7mil players
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Their sub count shouldn't impact action taken against bots.
Having so many bots in the first place is negatively impacting subscriber counts. If i was looking for a BG experience like classic-WOTLK, i wouldn't look twice at WOD in the state it was in a few weeks ago. I've seen several people cite bots as a major reason for leaving.
Having a bot-infested game with boring or insufficient content is the fastest way to turn that 2.9m subscriber loss to a 5m+ loss over 3-6 quarters.
If enough people bot to notably impact their sub numbers - like, lets say a quarter million players - then good, squish them. It's for the better. Would you rather have 7m subs with a huge bot problem and having ~5-15 bots in every single 10 man battleground and interrupt bots and PVE DPS/mechanic optimizers as well as farm bots fucking over the economy for everybody who actually plays the game, or a 6.75m game with no major issue with bots any more, a relatively clean and competitive PVE -and- PVP environment and a significantly more healthy economy? I can't imagine 2-4 years from now anybody saying damn, i wish they let those quarter million bots keep playing.
I don't think it's quite that many, but a lot of the bot users are people with loud voices. Those using bots to artificially improve performance for lack of skill are disproportionately represented among higher tier arena rankings/teams and PVE guilds, and people who are into the game enough to play a lot and buy bots are more likely to be posting on social media than random casual players that blizzard seems to think this game is made up of.
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The vast majority of that subscriber loss is probably just from the same people that caused the large spike in subscriber numbers before WoD came out anyway, so it's a little bit misleading imo.
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They probably do a large banwave because they know these people will just buy new accounts if were speculating on the economic affect of it.
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On May 15 2015 12:20 Soan wrote:
The vast majority of that subscriber loss is probably just from the same people that caused the large spike in subscriber numbers before WoD came out anyway, so it's a little bit misleading imo.
Cata dropped 900k players after expansion in a similar time frame, MOP dropped 1.3m. Previous expansions didn't see any drops. 2.9m is pretty extreme.
Not only that, they recorded those results a while back, pre-token and before banning these 100k bots. We could plausibly be below 6.5m subs by now (including the token subbers, somebody is paying for their sub and then a bit extra)
On May 15 2015 12:20 Soan wrote:
The vast majority of that subscriber loss is probably just from the same people that caused the large spike in subscriber numbers before WoD came out anyway, so it's a little bit misleading imo.
It just goes to show how disappointed a huge amount of longer-time WoW fans were with the expansion. They voted with their money and it says a LOT about the state of the game in the eyes of those players.
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I think Soan has the right of it.
The drop is only slightly bigger than the boost in subscriptions WoW got when the expansion launched. The bulk of the drop probably consists of players who resubbed, completed the modest amount of content WoD offered, and then unsubbed again when there was nothing left to do. Obviously some longer-term players had to have left as well, but I doubt they made up more than a small fraction of the drop.
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