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DCRed
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland435 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-13 21:01:21
May 13 2015 20:57 GMT
#9921
Apparently pretty big ban wave has gone out. http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14628723613 Salty tears of raiders using automations and now saying they didn't do anything. Also the amount of posts in HBforums saying they got banned, about a time.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
May 13 2015 21:50 GMT
#9922
We lost two raiders to it. I don't really know them, but they just got force-DC'd mid raid (literally halfway through our maidens pull with rapid fire in the middle of the ranged group) and claim to have been rule-abiding. It's quite hard to say
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22644 Posts
May 13 2015 21:54 GMT
#9923
By the looks of it this wave is from people who tripped Warden (the software blizzard uses to detect 3e party software) which means the chance of a false positive is very small. If they really are innocent they can appeal and will get unbanned.

I'm willing to bet a whole lot tho that they are indeed guilty as hell. People will go through great lengths to feint innocence.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
May 13 2015 22:19 GMT
#9924
...why the hell would you use bots to pve? What? Like, err what's the point? Half the fun is honing your rotations and reactions to changing conditions.


Kids these days, jesus.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
May 13 2015 23:12 GMT
#9925
On May 14 2015 06:50 Cyro wrote:
We lost two raiders to it. I don't really know them, but they just got force-DC'd mid raid (literally halfway through our maidens pull with rapid fire in the middle of the ranged group) and claim to have been rule-abiding. It's quite hard to say


i doubt people got banned for nothing, my buddy got banned, he said he was legit, well when i was at his house his pvp bot didnt seem too legit. people just try to blame others for their shit - usual stuff.

did u find out what causes your stutter?
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-13 23:40:04
May 13 2015 23:37 GMT
#9926
I didn't actually investigate more yet but i'l have to very soon because ~8 people just merged into our guild and we have enough people to be fighting over mythic spots and cause very bad stuttering

it's very hard to say who's legit or not, there's only really 1 person on the planet whom i would believe 100% at his word; some guys i met 2 weeks ago i have no idea. I never even directly talked to those involved, but it was a weird way to spice up the raid with people disconnecting mid-fight to get 6 month bans

was something like this~

*mechanic*

*2 second gap*

"<charname>, move right"

"<charname>, move"

"sorry guys i'm disconnected"

"WTF BANNED FOR 6 MONTHS"

"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
May 13 2015 23:40 GMT
#9927
We had the weirdest stutter/lag issue couple weeks back that hit several people and was caused out of all things, people using their toy to transform into Gamons. Like, how weird is that? But for the couple of bosses that people did mass Gamoning, 4-5 people had horrible, horrible lag (me included). As soon as Gamons wore off, nps.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-13 23:41:46
May 13 2015 23:41 GMT
#9928
Also in our raid of 26 people, a warrior who was with the group merging into us actually ragequit citing having too many warriors (3) as a reason when he lost a weapon roll. That was amusing too~ quite an interesting 9/10 wednesday clear

And then somebody got a 15 ilvl upgrade on their tier piece while i was at 3/5 and need rolling on it because we broke loot council for literally 1 day while testing new people fuck
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
May 13 2015 23:42 GMT
#9929
Huh, that sucks. We'd have people pass on their own initiative if someone's missing a set bonus or something big like that.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 01:21:26
May 14 2015 00:00 GMT
#9930
ranty post

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ya i was slightly annoyed (because i wrote "need for 4 piece" in raid chat before anyone rolled, and that's usually what we did - we even have loot council usually with explicit priority for set bonus, which i gave up several pieces for other people to get 4p) and it was only that 15 ilvl upgrade to him on slot he already had tier piece on. Particularly because we're probably starting mythic very very soon (maybe even tomorrow) and only about 80-90% of our active raiders will have spots. I hate that situation all around, flex is very sweet but the hard transition into 20 man mythic is awful.

If you have a roster of 15, it sucks. Everyone and their mother is looking for those last few players to do 20 man. If you have 25 players it also sucks.

That's the only time i really care about loot; it's cool to gather, but in a guild environment if you're playing with people who are actually competitive and you have to stay on your toes to keep up with or beat, falling behind and then being excluded from content with limited raid spots on the basis of gear alone, then falling further behind on gear because of not doing that content is just a nightmare all around. I'm doing good ATM though, just missing the 4 piece set (and hopefully a bit better weapon, but 675 with good stats is still fine) and seem to have good numbers for MM (i got >38k with ~i678? on grull today) i just have to probably do the super awkward transition into BM without knowing a thing about it

Dem crits though. My Chimaera shots have reached ~185k (per target!) with procs up and double 130k damage kill shots from like 46 yards away instant cast with only 1 GCD of delay is really sick. That's before multistrikes too (the alchemy trinket actually gives over 1400 agility on proc, it's a huge amount of damage)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 01:29:25
May 14 2015 01:26 GMT
#9931
BM isn't too bad to transition to. It's largely a rhythm change more than anything. At least how I have it set up, my keybindings are largely the same across all 3 hunter specs, its just the rhythm (the "feel") changes between them. If anything its the switch from crit/multistrike gear into haste/mastery that sucks more than anything.

Big change for me was getting used to double casting cobra shot to keep steady focus up. (at least compared to focusing shot survival which I played prior).
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 01:46:58
May 14 2015 01:34 GMT
#9932
If anything its the switch from crit/multistrike gear into haste/mastery that sucks more than anything.


Yea that's gonna be annoying. BM best stats being MM's worst; i've actively avoided those two like the plague~ though i have not had that much choice recently, there just happened to not be much haste/mastery on gear and i didn't go for the good BM trinkets really.

I have Blackhand HC trink and stone of fire (285 versatility, ~30k extra heal on potion, ~1.4k agility for X seconds proc that has good uptime)

I have not looked at BM stat prio really, but at least for MM, most of the stats are relatively equal*. Haste doesn't improve stuff like your Barrage while every other stat does, mastery penalizes a lot of movement but doesn't give you more DPS per point as a reward for that (bad design i think) ~ versatility is not so amazing DPS per point, but it also has a notable damage reduction bonus for you, so i don't consider it a bad stat. I've probably gone, overall, crit>multistrike>versatility>mastery/haste if given the choice, though it's not perfect for DPS sims

*80 crit might be better than 100 haste. However it's not like frost DK where at some point, some stats were worth 1.5x+ more than other stats; a 640 gear with one set of stats could beat a 655 that had crit mastery for example. Due to the DK's guaranteed crits on Obliterate and focus on physical damage, the critical strike chance and frost damage amplification were just terrible for 2h frost. So bad that a big ilvl upgrade of strength didn't outweigh how much it would suck to equip them.

For hunter, simply having the highest ilvl gear~ the amount of agility and bonus stat points will probably override trying to hold on to weaker gear because it has X and Y stat, assuming BM is not too heavily biased towards those few stats (according to Noxxic which i just googled for a quick view, their best stat is worth only ~14% more DPS per point than versatility, the worst dps per point stat, so that seems very good)

Overall that neutrality towards stats probably plays a big part in hunter strength. Frost DK gets neutered if the gear that drops (or even the gear that's available) has the wrong stats on it. That's one thing i learned the hard way to look out for when selecting a spec. If it's only competitive against X amount of targets with plenty of time to stack gear with Y and Z stat, it's not as good as a class that's just all around powerful with any stats, any gear level and any target count.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 01:54:26
May 14 2015 01:52 GMT
#9933
BM isn't heavily biased, last I checked. Mastery was .51, Haste was .49 and versa brought up the rear at .4. Agility being 1, of course.

Survival definitely had the multistrike bias, and it was so high that it just overtook almost everything, hence it's nerf in 6.2 cause of gear scaling and offsetting it with simply more mastery.

Haste is important as BM simply for pet focus, because the more you can cast bite on cooldown and the more it's above 50 focus, the more focus fire procs you get (& more damage), which is why it's up there in importance. Speed / focus regen doesn't mean anything, it's all about getting more bites off on your pet.

If you were curious:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/dunemaul/Presea/advanced
a ton of brf cache luck more than anything.


No clue if you use this, but this is definitely the most comprehensive hunter source out there:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_NNkQQgTO9PwD9SbYv1N-vIDC7PeDYXVfrw_0-zvn7k/preview?sle=true#
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
May 14 2015 01:57 GMT
#9934
I feel ya on the transition from flex to mythic, in the same boat. Usually get 14-16 people to raid, if absolutely everyone would show up, we could just make the 20, but those times are few and far between due to rl issues and scheduling.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 02:02:48
May 14 2015 02:02 GMT
#9935
^Sweet :D

CM's feel good, did my first boss (but people failing and especially quitting group after failing so even the daily wasn't doable in any short amount of time)
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[image loading]


this damage still feels like a joke compared to my other char in 630 gear
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
May 14 2015 02:08 GMT
#9936
BM is amusing in CMs, especially if you save your frenzy stacks right before a boss. I pulled 50k+ dps in 630 gear on the first boss in Shadowmoon Burial Grounds consistently. It's pretty awesome.

It's just really good cause of the 1 minute cooldown, so you are able to use it liberally.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
May 14 2015 02:16 GMT
#9937
I just got rejected from a normal butcher advertising for ranged dps 640+

I'm a 700 ilvl demo lock
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
May 14 2015 02:33 GMT
#9938
"too many cloth wearers in the raid"
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
May 14 2015 02:50 GMT
#9939
lol reading reddit thread about the bans, some mythic progress guild lost 12 players >_> w t f

i wouldn't feel like i deserved any kill in a guild like that.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
May 14 2015 03:07 GMT
#9940
Talked to some friends in top raiding guilds and pretty standard reports of "half our raid just "dc'd" mid fight then pretended they were glitching out over vent still denying that they were using bots"

Will be interesting to see how arena ladders shake up.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
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