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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-09 01:55:07
May 09 2014 01:52 GMT
#181
On May 09 2014 10:21 HeatEXTEND wrote:

Couldn't find it on the dom inspector

Just enter Kraken and it should be the pretender there. great UW expander with some decent magic options.

On May 09 2014 10:00 Capricis wrote:
There is an octoglob next to my province D=

That kind of gives away your positioning imo :s.

It's aquatic so you have no worries at all.

On May 08 2014 20:44 Scip wrote:
Tolkien's hatred seems to have had an effect on his play; Poor, poor Ferdinando bit the dust. Huge army size loss and only 1 province gained might mean that Lord Tolkien's national army also got rekt; has Lord "I have played 12 multiplayer games before and haven't won a single one" Tolkien blundered?!

I could just be suiciding them so I don't have to pay for extra renewals.

...ok I'm not, but anyways. They served their purpose.


A new mercenary group, the Elephant crops led by Hannibal has arrived. Will the whoremonger Lord Tolkien snatch away this one also?

fk you i ant no whoremonger bish~


You guys can fight over Obscuro. idgaf about his weak magiks

Very good turn for me across the board. Why I will not specify.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-09 03:12:24
May 09 2014 02:28 GMT
#182
On May 09 2014 07:28 HeatEXTEND wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 07:20 KillerSOS wrote:
My Kracken seems to have met his match...


:D


Round 2 ended in a solo victory though!

I will own these 4 ocean tiles even if it kills me.

Decided I really do want to play 2 at the same time, this game has 15/16 so someone join up! (It's EA)

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=SlimJim3
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 09 2014 03:38 GMT
#183
Sorry guys, afraid I got a long day full of high school exams ahead of me, recap of this turn coming hopefully this (EU timezone) night
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
May 09 2014 18:06 GMT
#184
UNFORGIVABLE
knuckle
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-09 22:07:03
May 09 2014 22:06 GMT
#185
T6 recap (aka not sleeping for 30h sucks):
Provinces gained this turn are interesting. Caelum slowed down to 1 province, Atlantis finally took another province for themselves, Abysia and Vanheim gained 2 provinces after last turn's halt and Ulm with Agartha are still going with their steady 1 prov/turn. Jotunheim's expansion has come to a grinding, SC affliction-getting halt. Ouch :D
Incomes progressing kinda as one would expect, given the amount of provinces. Not a that big of a difference between anyone just yet.
The Ulmish are going crazy with their site searching, what is this, 4 gems/turn increase?! Does it contain a site with ritual cost bonus? Just how much should we be scared of this Ulmish race, who currently seems more adept at magic than any other nation! 2nd in research, miles ahead of everyone but Jotunheim as well.

Despite successful expansion, Abysia's troop count has dropped. Could it be that we are seeing our first new fort being built? Or perhaps those indies packed a lot more punch than one might think.

Lord "fk you i ant no whoremonger bish~" Tolkien continues mongering whores, and gets his hands on Hannibal. With Mammoths in his regular army, how long until we see a hybrid abomination?!

RIP Sir Edward Blackfist, you Caelum supporting swine :D Despite his loss, Caelum's troop increase this turn is very high indeed. What could he be recruiting these fliers for? Should his neighbors start to shiver in fear?

A new mercenary, Obscuro the Hidden Master is avaliable. With no army coming alongside him and his usefulness being questionable, will finally someone other than Tolkien get their hands on these mercs?

Turn7 recap will come a bit later, want to space them out a tiny bit :3
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Capresis
Profile Joined September 2008
United States518 Posts
May 09 2014 22:26 GMT
#186
lol! Nice! I especially appreciate them because I don't know what to make of the graphs myself. Should I be worried that I've got the second-lowest research? Also, when do people usually start building temples? Or do you only build them places you need to recruit sacred units? Still wondering if my Vanheim sacred's are worth building, and what my non-sacred go-to units are (=
Ultraliskhero
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada249 Posts
May 09 2014 22:45 GMT
#187
I'd like to think that I'm ahead in magic but unfortunately number of gems does not equal number of useful gems lol
Kronen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States732 Posts
May 09 2014 22:51 GMT
#188
Never played this game, but have a passing interest and have been enjoying reading your write-ups! Is there a possible link or collection gifs representing territory change and what not?
Ultraliskhero
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada249 Posts
May 09 2014 23:00 GMT
#189
No, it takes very powerful magic for one to be able to view the world without fog. (or very thorough scouting)
Perhaps as the game progresses further, people may have pics of interesting scenes to post.
Ohnoitztotoro
Profile Joined July 2013
United States45 Posts
May 09 2014 23:05 GMT
#190
wow what is this and why have I never heard of this game until now? Lovecraft's insanity inducing abominations as a playable race? This looks amazing.

This game looks ridiculously deep. How is the UI? Is the UI intuitive and does it create a good gaming experience when there are so many things to manage? (For example: I find the original xcom UI to be a nightmare to work with.) If the UI is good and not so tedious to work with, I may very well end up grabbing this game when it goes on sale or this weekend if I can't wait haha.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-09 23:43:27
May 09 2014 23:26 GMT
#191
On May 10 2014 08:05 Ohnoitztotoro wrote:
wow what is this and why have I never heard of this game until now? Lovecraft's insanity inducing abominations as a playable race? This looks amazing.

This game looks ridiculously deep. How is the UI? Is the UI intuitive and does it create a good gaming experience when there are so many things to manage? (For example: I find the original xcom UI to be a nightmare to work with.) If the UI is good and not so tedious to work with, I may very well end up grabbing this game when it goes on sale or this weekend if I can't wait haha.

The UI is much improved from Dom3, I can say that much. Auto-recruitment, visual display of magic paths, etc. have helped the micro enormously.

http://lparchive.org/Dominions-3/

Review this old LP and see if you agree with the basics of the UI. There's plenty of hotkeys to expedite things, but if you're playing something like Ermor or Lemuria or LA R'lyeh, you're going to spent alot of time microing if you're anal about it. :x

If you want to wait, there were some 75% off sales on Gamersgate a few months ago around Christmas and Spring Break I believe?

@ Scip: gtfo with your dirty, dirty mind. I don't have blood so I clearly can't crossbreed.


@ Capris: you're playing Vanheim, a race with notoriously horrendous research. Well, unless you decided to rush Const-2 for Dwarven Hammers and Quills (I would recommend it), but in any event your researchers are horribly cost inefficient.

Compare your Vanherse at 150/16r (for 7 research) versus my, say, Ice Crafter (45g/3r, 7 research). Even though upkeep is halved for the Herse because sacred, it's still horrendously lopsided in terms of cost-efficiency.

@everyone about Ulm: it doesn't matter that much. MA Ulm still has horribly constrained magic paths past the midgame, and there's only so much he can do with his pretender. It's his early game rush potential that you should be worried about.

and ofc, information is power so if you find a scout province, set it to autorecruit scouts. Information is power.

On May 10 2014 07:51 Kronen wrote:
Never played this game, but have a passing interest and have been enjoying reading your write-ups! Is there a possible link or collection gifs representing territory change and what not?

The game's ongoing. That would give away so much info lolol.

We can give charts though.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Ohnoitztotoro
Profile Joined July 2013
United States45 Posts
May 09 2014 23:52 GMT
#192
Thanks Lord Tolkien. If there are hotkeys and what not then I'm sure the UI will be fine. The graphics have an old school and nostalgic style which made me wonder if the controls were clunky like some TBS games from the 90's =P I'll give the link a read and see. Looks like an incredibly fun game though.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-10 02:12:33
May 10 2014 01:57 GMT
#193
There are also no more true gem gens in the game (outside for a few unique artifacts), which has further cut down on the late game slog. The Dom4 meta is much more dynamic than the old Dom3 one.


Once upon a time you would end up massing like 100 bloodstones or clams for massive astral or earth or somesuch gem income.

It fueled the Dom4 lategame craze, as nations could hole up in their castles with literally no resources whatsoever elsewhere besides endless lists of indie-scouts with clams and such, and could just end up spamming fully-kitted Seraphs and other SCs, purely through clam income to win.

As for Seraphs, just to give the rest of you an idea, are:

Awe +7, Fire 4, Air 4, Astral 4, Holy 4, fire shield-14, Fire/Poison/Lightning Resist 15, Enc-1, eyelosses attackers, MR 18, 77hp, 7/16 flying MONSTERS. Imagine what it would look like kitted out.

Which is why to summon them you need Conj-9 and 144 astral gems a pop for Heavenly choir (comes with 3 harbingers) as MA Pythium or Marignon, or 100 gems for a Wish (and even higher astral). Only the Grigori Lords of Civilization (Himmon) are comparable, really, and some of the highest level unique blood summons. Elemental royalty barely holds a candle against them.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
May 10 2014 03:25 GMT
#194
I'm beginning to realize now little I understand what's going on,even with a good bit of reading

There's just not a single good guide, and the manual is close to useless.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-10 04:55:17
May 10 2014 04:54 GMT
#195
Yeah is there any website or guide that actually explains how the factions work? the manual seems to be all tables and no strategy.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-10 07:25:38
May 10 2014 06:50 GMT
#196
Turn 7 recap:
The first throne has been claimed! KillerSOS (Atlantis) has gained the Lower Throne, which will give him faster dominion spread and a large amount of pure virgins to sacrifice. Too bad all he can do with them is watch the 3 blood nations in the game rage in envy :D

Provinces gained are quite interesting this turn. Ulm, Atlantis and Agartha haven't gained any, while Jotunheim, Caelum, Abysia and Vanheim has gained 2. Fun fact: so far, the amount of provinces gained for Abysia+Vanheim and Agartha+Ulm has been exactly the same!

The income difference has become more pronounced, as Jotunheim has about 30% income advantage over the bottom 3 nations (Abysia, Agartha and Atlantis). The fall and decreasing temperature are helping my (Jotun) and Caelum's economy as well. Vanheim has found their own magic site, a measly 1gem/turn though. No other magic sites were found this turn!

Research going just as before so far, with 1 exception: Caelum is shooting up in research at the same speed as the fastest nations (Jotunheim and Ulm) although those still have a headstart. Probably something to do with his first mage suiciding in a battle :D

What I found most interesting though is the army size. It has rapidly increased for everyone in the past 2 turns, especially for Atlantis who overcame both Abysia and Jotunheim. Army size can be a bit confusing. The way it works is, essentially, if you were to fit all of your units on a tactical map, how many squares would they occupy? So it does not necessarily reflect military strength, if you have elite heavy infantry for example.
All of Abysia's units are very powerful heavy infantry, so their army is the smallest as expected. Caelum's armies are made of very large and also very pathetic birdpeople, so their army is the largest. A surprisingly large army is however owned by Vanheim! With medium to high quality troops, their army is the 2nd largest, just below Caelum. I can only attribute it to efficient expansion by Capricis.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-10 10:16:47
May 10 2014 10:14 GMT
#197
On May 10 2014 12:25 KillerSOS wrote:
I'm beginning to realize now little I understand what's going on,even with a good bit of reading

There's just not a single good guide, and the manual is close to useless.


The manual is actually really useful, just read it like you would a normal book, it's fun . If you don't like reading your shafted though.... .

Edit: also here's a pretty sweet tool that details all the spells/units/etc. in the game, really useful if u wanna look something up.

http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/
knuckle
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 10 2014 10:36 GMT
#198
I think we should give the award of the shrewdest diplomat to Lord Tolkien!
+ Show Spoiler +
aka the slowest player :D :p
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
May 10 2014 10:38 GMT
#199
Running dem test games all day errday :D
knuckle
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
May 10 2014 13:19 GMT
#200
I'm just packing up my stuff so I can go home after graduation. :<

I want a non-twin sized bed plox.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
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