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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
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GTR
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On January 31 2020 03:13 Arceus wrote: I never bought Warcraft before. When I was a kid, my country was too poor to have licensed games, nor did I have any dollar to spend. I bought a CD of cracked RoC (and later TFT) for the equivalent of 30 cent. Now that I'm all grown up and in a better place financially, I want to redeem that past, I want to buy Reforged and teach my nephew that RTS still exists and this is the pinnacle of it and also my childhood. Guess I will just pull that CD-Rom out and install on my mom's desktop. I love that you still keep a burned CD with a cracked version of a game as some kind of a treasure. It truly demonstrates how impactful these games were to a generation of people. It's sad that future generations won't be able to experience these video games in the same way we did. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On February 03 2020 14:01 GTR wrote: feels like despite how awful the launch is, people are using reforged as a scapegoat to attack activision-blizzard as a whole rather than actually caring about how reforged launched. There is some true to that. But then again, SCR remaster was not announced as a flagship on Blizzcon like WC3 on 2018 and WC3 appealed more to Europeans than SCR given that it had much more lively pro scene like Grubby, ToD, Happy... etc. When SCR was released, it was not as disastrous as this one, the game was working and the most annoyed users where the veteran fans who already had workarounds for issues that existed a long time ago. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4195 Posts
I mean.. are there even any people from the old Blizzard left? I don't think so.. What a fucking mess.. Such a damn shame, really.. How to destroy a game - a masterclass by Activision-Bli$$ard. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On February 03 2020 17:10 M3t4PhYzX wrote: Bli$$ard is not Blizzard from the 90s/00s anymore anyways.. wasnt for a long time but for certain it is not the same now.. I mean.. are there even any people from the old Blizzard left? I don't think so.. What a fucking mess.. Such a damn shame, really.. How to destroy a game - a masterclass by Activision-Bli$$ard. While I am not disagreeing about Acti-ard being a bad Company nowadays driven by renevue instead of by the strive for making good games wc3 is mainly being destroyed by its fans. Its like any remake, of movies or games, its impossible to live up to the imaginations and standards of the hardcore fans but the future of the game and the genre is defined by the reaction of the customers. If Wc3 would at least make some splash there is the possibility most of these faults could be patched and improved, if the game dies and everyone hates it that will simply be the end. The news going around now blocks new players from entering the rts genre and makes it less likely wc3 will get the Resources it needs to be improved and also less likely there will be a new rts made by Blizzard. This by extension also lowers the value of the starcraft 2 scene as well. As I said, I don't disagree, its all shit but I would have prefered if it wouldn't stay shit... | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2111 Posts
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abuse
Latvia1931 Posts
On February 03 2020 17:42 Shuffleblade wrote: While I am not disagreeing about Acti-ard being a bad Company nowadays driven by renevue instead of by the strive for making good games wc3 is mainly being destroyed by its fans. Its like any remake, of movies or games, its impossible to live up to the imaginations and standards of the hardcore fans but the future of the game and the genre is defined by the reaction of the customers. If Wc3 would at least make some splash there is the possibility most of these faults could be patched and improved, if the game dies and everyone hates it that will simply be the end. The news going around now blocks new players from entering the rts genre and makes it less likely wc3 will get the Resources it needs to be improved and also less likely there will be a new rts made by Blizzard. This by extension also lowers the value of the starcraft 2 scene as well. As I said, I don't disagree, its all shit but I would have prefered if it wouldn't stay shit... I disagree with this so much I don't even know where to start. It is possible to live up to the imaginations and standards of people, why even bring "Hardcore fans" into this. All you have to do is not hype it up, make false advertising, and then release a game in a state that a self respecting company shouldn't release even as a pre-alpha. It's not the consumer's job to make a splash so the developer would iron out the faults to patch and improve it. It's the dev's job to make it be that way before asking money for their product. If you want a game to make a splash, then fucking do a good job. It's blizzard's own fault for the news going around and it be "killing the rts genre". It's completely on Blizzard for making shit products and letting their fans down in such supreme fashion first with SCR and now with WC3R. I personally will never buy a Blizzard game again until I see that it's actually good upon release. It's not my job to pay them money and then hope that maybe they'll fix their piece of crap product some time down the line when I don't care about it anymore. | ||
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spelhus
Germany52 Posts
How does it work, is a chinese ID mandatory, is the lag from Europe bearable? The guides I found seemed a bit outdated. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On February 03 2020 17:42 Shuffleblade wrote: While I am not disagreeing about Acti-ard being a bad Company nowadays driven by renevue instead of by the strive for making good games wc3 is mainly being destroyed by its fans. Its like any remake, of movies or games, its impossible to live up to the imaginations and standards of the hardcore fans but the future of the game and the genre is defined by the reaction of the customers. If Wc3 would at least make some splash there is the possibility most of these faults could be patched and improved, if the game dies and everyone hates it that will simply be the end. The news going around now blocks new players from entering the rts genre and makes it less likely wc3 will get the Resources it needs to be improved and also less likely there will be a new rts made by Blizzard. This by extension also lowers the value of the starcraft 2 scene as well. As I said, I don't disagree, its all shit but I would have prefered if it wouldn't stay shit... Always the same god damned argument. Preventing new blood from entering RTS. I just wanted my game to work as it intended to given that I did not buy reforged nor cared for it, why am stuck in this cluster fuck? If you are unable to keep promises, don't make them in the first place. WC3 survived on its own without the need for new players with its sustainable loyal fanbase. I'm not denying there was a decline, but game did indeed survived. Right now with reforged as a constant player of WC3, I'm unable to play the game because: - There is no ladder [current match making is a joke] - I lost contact to my friends who were in the classic friend list not in the BNET app - tons of bugs in the current release - downgrading of the classic graphics just like what happened with SCR SD graphics which were worse than the 1.16.1 If the game remains in this state, it will die for real in couple of months. How the heck this is fanbase fault that they are destroying the game? | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On February 03 2020 17:42 Shuffleblade wrote: Its like any remake, of movies or games, its impossible to live up to the imaginations and standards of the hardcore fans but the future of the game and the genre is defined by the reaction of the customers. Have you seen the AoE remakes?  | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On February 03 2020 19:29 Wrath wrote: Always the same god damned argument. Preventing new blood from entering RTS. I just wanted my game to work as it intended to given that I did not buy reforged nor cared for it, why am stuck in this cluster fuck? If you are unable to keep promises, don't make them in the first place. WC3 survived on its own without the need for new players with its sustainable loyal fanbase. I'm not denying there was a decline, but game did indeed survived. Right now with reforged as a constant player of WC3, I'm unable to play the game because: - There is no ladder [current match making is a joke] - I lost contact to my friends who were in the classic friend list not in the BNET app - tons of bugs in the current release - downgrading of the classic graphics just like what happened with SCR SD graphics which were worse than the 1.16.1 If the game remains in this state, it will die for real in couple of months. How the heck this is fanbase fault that they are destroying the game? You are right, not saying anything against aguments like yours and the general disgust at the low quality of the release. What I am turning against is reactions like what is happening at metacritic, what is being talked about right now is what a bad game Wc3 Re is, not what a great game it ruined. What saddens me the most is the way warcraft 3 is being talked about right now, a fact that is indeed hurting warcraft 3 long term more than the faults you raise (in your list). I guess the forced game upgrade is an issue as serious as the reactions but besides that horrible decision I still Think the way the outrage is being done does a lot of damage, | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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Starecat
937 Posts
Btw how Bllizzard releases Brood War without problem and mess so badly on Warcraft? | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraft3/comments/evfop0/features_that_were_removed_from_original_warcraft/ https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraft3/comments/evyeih/telling_people_how_to_refund_warcraft_3_reforged/ And on top of that https://www.wowhead.com/news=310471/warcraft-iii-reforged-controversy-custom-mods-from-world-editor-owned-by-blizzar | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On February 03 2020 20:16 Starecat wrote: Can anyone summarize what in blazes happened? Btw how Bllizzard releases Brood War without problem and mess so badly on Warcraft? Brood War had it's fair share of problems too (although maybe less than WC3) and some features that were promised at launch have still not been implemented (and probably never will be). | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On February 03 2020 20:07 Shuffleblade wrote: You are right, not saying anything against aguments like yours and the general disgust at the low quality of the release. What I am turning against is reactions like what is happening at metacritic, what is being talked about right now is what a bad game Wc3 Re is, not what a great game it ruined. What saddens me the most is the way warcraft 3 is being talked about right now, a fact that is indeed hurting warcraft 3 long term more than the faults you raise (in your list). I guess the forced game upgrade is an issue as serious as the reactions but besides that horrible decision I still Think the way the outrage is being done does a lot of damage, To answer your argument about whether metacritic review bombing is bad for the game itself or not. I send you this: Basically, it is our only way to make sure our voice is heard. If that did not happen and the Australian refund dude, we would not have gotten the automatic refund process for reforged that we have currently. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany951 Posts
On February 03 2020 20:16 Starecat wrote: Can anyone summarize what in blazes happened? Btw how Bllizzard releases Brood War without problem and mess so badly on Warcraft? SC:R was and is not without issues ! But it was the easier thing to "Upgrade". From my limited understanding: Both games KEPT the original Game Engine - with all it's limitations of 1998/2003 Technology. Both games were inufused with new "Models" and textures. Reforged is now fully integrated into Battlenet 2.0, and all menus are a Chrome-Based WEB app (according to some twitter users) Starcraft engine is based on Warcraft II Engine. This is basicly "2D .bmps" that are moving around on a bigger 2D.bmp with some "sprites" as effects. With more memory you can make and store more detailed pictures to move around. Warcraft III is a 3D Game. you got 3D-Objects, high-Res Textures and lighting. If you increase the number of surfaces, to make more detailed objects, those surfaces need to be computed + effects that affect all the surfaces (like Particle or shadow) are a huge Load on CPU/GPU so you need a CPU to decide what goes where, and a GPU to render in realtime, which can be done quite effectively using modern multicore CPU and Shadercores, but this kind of rework seemingly has not been done to WC3:R. Warcraft III 1.31 (last version before Reforged) used to run on every office PC. They game you now download "WC3:R Classic 1.32" needs much more ressources. Blizzard needs to restore Availability of 1.31 through Battle.net Blizzard needs to remove Reforged, and re-Release it "WHEN IT'S DONE". | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On February 03 2020 20:16 Starecat wrote: Can anyone summarize what in blazes happened? Btw how Bllizzard releases Brood War without problem and mess so badly on Warcraft? this is an 11 minute summary, that I watched For me the craziest thing is how there isnt matchmaking/ ladder, yet they killed the old battle net, so right now there is literally no way to play W3, just customs and the campaign. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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