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I mostly bought Reforged because I loved the campaign - WC3 and TFT told my favorite RTS story ever. It also paved the way for the introduction of WoW, the game I put more hours into than any other game in my life. I'm glad that I get to relive the major historic events for all their nostalgic impact, and despite the cherry-picked screenshots and the odd animation here and there, it is absolutely 100% a major visual upgrade from the original. In addition, I've seen an extra mission or two, and some of the missions have been redone in ways that improve upon the originals (so far the missions where Arthas kills/raises Sylvanas and where he retrieves Medivh's spellbook).
Given the hours of enjoyment I've gotten from the campaign alone, I feel like my $30 was justified. On a per-time basis, it was a better investment than other more expensive and shorter single player games.
All that being said, if you were someone who purchased the game for the multiplayer experience, I do feel sympathy for you. I also find it crazy that original Battle.net from 2 decades ago was more feature-rich than what we get today. It doesn't make sense that Blizzard didn't implement the basic clan and chat functions that were such an integral part of the original's success and that people raised such a huge stink about when they were missing from SC2's launch. It would be more understandable if the bad social setup of SC2 was just a one-time bad choice, but the fact that it happened again shows a worrying lack of Blizzard's willingness to learn from their mistakes. The complete lack of ladder, the dropped games, and the ping issues would normally describe a game that was still in the alpha stages of development. It unfortunately shows a stark contrast from the Blizzard of old whose motto was that they'd "only release a game when it's done."
Overall, considering I primarily bought this game for its updated campaign, I give it a 7/10. If my goal was to get back together with my old WC3 multiplayer buddies and queue up for some competition, I'd give it a 2/10 at best. If they weren't serious about giving people a multiplayer experience, they should have at least given the option of buying the campaign and nothing else for $20.
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On February 02 2020 17:02 Kitai wrote:
I mostly bought Reforged because I loved the campaign - WC3 and TFT told my favorite RTS story ever. It also paved the way for the introduction of WoW, the game I put more hours into than any other game in my life. I'm glad that I get to relive the major historic events for all their nostalgic impact, and despite the cherry-picked screenshots and the odd animation here and there, it is absolutely 100% a major visual upgrade from the original. In addition, I've seen an extra mission or two, and some of the missions have been redone in ways that improve upon the originals (so far the missions where Arthas kills/raises Sylvanas and where he retrieves Medivh's spellbook).
Given the hours of enjoyment I've gotten from the campaign alone, I feel like my $30 was justified. On a per-time basis, it was a better investment than other more expensive and shorter single player games.
All that being said, if you were someone who purchased the game for the multiplayer experience, I do feel sympathy for you. I also find it crazy that original Battle.net from 2 decades ago was more feature-rich than what we get today. It doesn't make sense that Blizzard didn't implement the basic clan and chat functions that were such an integral part of the original's success and that people raised such a huge stink about when they were missing from SC2's launch. It would be more understandable if the bad social setup of SC2 was just a one-time bad choice, but the fact that it happened again shows a worrying lack of Blizzard's willingness to learn from their mistakes. The complete lack of ladder, the dropped games, and the ping issues would normally describe a game that was still in the alpha stages of development. It unfortunately shows a stark contrast from the Blizzard of old whose motto was that they'd "only release a game when it's done."
Overall, considering I primarily bought this game for its updated campaign, I give it a 7/10. If my goal was to get back together with my old WC3 multiplayer buddies and queue up for some competition, I'd give it a 2/10 at best. If they weren't serious about giving people a multiplayer experience, they should have at least given the option of buying the campaign and nothing else for $20.
because of people like you, we get shit like Reforged.. Extremely low standard individual.
have some self respect for Christ sake..
Sad.
User was warned for this post.
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On February 02 2020 18:20 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2020 17:02 Kitai wrote:
I mostly bought Reforged because I loved the campaign - WC3 and TFT told my favorite RTS story ever. It also paved the way for the introduction of WoW, the game I put more hours into than any other game in my life. I'm glad that I get to relive the major historic events for all their nostalgic impact, and despite the cherry-picked screenshots and the odd animation here and there, it is absolutely 100% a major visual upgrade from the original. In addition, I've seen an extra mission or two, and some of the missions have been redone in ways that improve upon the originals (so far the missions where Arthas kills/raises Sylvanas and where he retrieves Medivh's spellbook).
Given the hours of enjoyment I've gotten from the campaign alone, I feel like my $30 was justified. On a per-time basis, it was a better investment than other more expensive and shorter single player games.
All that being said, if you were someone who purchased the game for the multiplayer experience, I do feel sympathy for you. I also find it crazy that original Battle.net from 2 decades ago was more feature-rich than what we get today. It doesn't make sense that Blizzard didn't implement the basic clan and chat functions that were such an integral part of the original's success and that people raised such a huge stink about when they were missing from SC2's launch. It would be more understandable if the bad social setup of SC2 was just a one-time bad choice, but the fact that it happened again shows a worrying lack of Blizzard's willingness to learn from their mistakes. The complete lack of ladder, the dropped games, and the ping issues would normally describe a game that was still in the alpha stages of development. It unfortunately shows a stark contrast from the Blizzard of old whose motto was that they'd "only release a game when it's done."
Overall, considering I primarily bought this game for its updated campaign, I give it a 7/10. If my goal was to get back together with my old WC3 multiplayer buddies and queue up for some competition, I'd give it a 2/10 at best. If they weren't serious about giving people a multiplayer experience, they should have at least given the option of buying the campaign and nothing else for $20. because of people like you, we get shit like Reforged.. Extremely low standard individual. have some self respect for Christ sake.. Sad.
People have different opinions and different things they care about in reforged. We should be able to accept that.
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Yeah that comes off as too hostile imho.
Anyway, what a shit show... blizzard is indeed dead.
So what does this do to the pro scene?
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7/10 for the campaign and 2/10 max for the multiplayer sounds pretty fair imo.
Obviously that is a disastrous result, given that it's a remake of a 10/10 game. They just didn't have to fuck too many things up and they failed.
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Italy12246 Posts
On February 02 2020 19:56 frontliner2 wrote:
Yeah that comes off as too hostile imho.
Anyway, what a shit show... blizzard is indeed dead.
So what does this do to the pro scene?
If there's no ladder, chat, profiles or clans....nothing good?
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On February 02 2020 20:56 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2020 19:56 frontliner2 wrote:
Yeah that comes off as too hostile imho.
Anyway, what a shit show... blizzard is indeed dead.
So what does this do to the pro scene? If there's no ladder, chat, profiles or clans....nothing good?
Stuff like new models, resolutions and rumors of changed pathing matter more in the short term.
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Northern Ireland25331 Posts
On February 02 2020 18:20 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2020 17:02 Kitai wrote:
I mostly bought Reforged because I loved the campaign - WC3 and TFT told my favorite RTS story ever. It also paved the way for the introduction of WoW, the game I put more hours into than any other game in my life. I'm glad that I get to relive the major historic events for all their nostalgic impact, and despite the cherry-picked screenshots and the odd animation here and there, it is absolutely 100% a major visual upgrade from the original. In addition, I've seen an extra mission or two, and some of the missions have been redone in ways that improve upon the originals (so far the missions where Arthas kills/raises Sylvanas and where he retrieves Medivh's spellbook).
Given the hours of enjoyment I've gotten from the campaign alone, I feel like my $30 was justified. On a per-time basis, it was a better investment than other more expensive and shorter single player games.
All that being said, if you were someone who purchased the game for the multiplayer experience, I do feel sympathy for you. I also find it crazy that original Battle.net from 2 decades ago was more feature-rich than what we get today. It doesn't make sense that Blizzard didn't implement the basic clan and chat functions that were such an integral part of the original's success and that people raised such a huge stink about when they were missing from SC2's launch. It would be more understandable if the bad social setup of SC2 was just a one-time bad choice, but the fact that it happened again shows a worrying lack of Blizzard's willingness to learn from their mistakes. The complete lack of ladder, the dropped games, and the ping issues would normally describe a game that was still in the alpha stages of development. It unfortunately shows a stark contrast from the Blizzard of old whose motto was that they'd "only release a game when it's done."
Overall, considering I primarily bought this game for its updated campaign, I give it a 7/10. If my goal was to get back together with my old WC3 multiplayer buddies and queue up for some competition, I'd give it a 2/10 at best. If they weren't serious about giving people a multiplayer experience, they should have at least given the option of buying the campaign and nothing else for $20. because of people like you, we get shit like Reforged.. Extremely low standard individual. have some self respect for Christ sake.. Sad.
My friends who hadn’t played WC3 are all having a rather good time with the campaign, which isn’t exactly a short one. 7/10 for people who spent 30 dollars for such an experience is pretty fair IMO. If a 30 dollar indie title had a comparable campaign to WC3 people would be hyping it to the heavens.
2/10 for WC3 veterans who wanted a comparable experience is also pretty fair. It’s what I wanted and why I didn’t purchase it.
I was putting off going try hard in WC3 for Reforged myself, but now I don’t even have the option of playing WC3 in its original form. If you’re going to get rid of the original ladders bloody have them in the update.
I thought his post was pretty fair and measured, unlike your response which was overly harsh.
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On February 02 2020 21:09 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2020 20:56 Teoita wrote:On February 02 2020 19:56 frontliner2 wrote:
Yeah that comes off as too hostile imho.
Anyway, what a shit show... blizzard is indeed dead.
So what does this do to the pro scene? If there's no ladder, chat, profiles or clans....nothing good? Stuff like new models, resolutions and rumors of changed pathing matter more in the short term.
Rumors of changed pathing? What is this new devilry?
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On February 02 2020 20:03 Musicus wrote:
7/10 for the campaign and 2/10 max for the multiplayer sounds pretty fair imo.
Obviously that is a disastrous result, given that it's a remake of a 10/10 game. They just didn't have to fuck too many things up and they failed.
Speaking of ratings, it sits at an astonishing 0.5/10 at metacritic
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I have a serious question. For those who purchased reforge and have the original Warcraft 3 is there an astonishing difference or does it feel exactly like the same game?
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Warcraft 3 did run perfect on most machines, being a 17 Year old game.
But Blizzard has killed of the originial version, all there will be is
"Reforged" either with HD-Textures, or Without. So you can not tell, that the old game worked well enough.
With the patch
- Lan play
- Custom Games without any restriction
- Battlenet Chat
- making new Ingame PlayerAccounts using the same Key/Battlenet 2.0 Account
will be gone - forever.
The only way to preserve the original game now - would be piracy or never to play online.
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On February 03 2020 02:27 KT_Elwood wrote:
Warcraft 3 did run perfect on most machines, being a 17 Year old game.
But Blizzard has killed of the originial version, all there will be is
"Reforged" either with HD-Textures, or Without. So you can not tell, that the old game worked well enough.
With the patch
- Lan play
- Custom Games without any restriction
- Battlenet Chat
- making new Ingame PlayerAccounts using the same Key/Battlenet 2.0 Account
will be gone - forever.
The only way to preserve the original game now - would be piracy or never to play online.
I wonder if, like with wow classic, eventually people are going to start running classic W3 servers.
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On February 03 2020 02:27 KT_Elwood wrote:
Warcraft 3 did run perfect on most machines, being a 17 Year old game.
But Blizzard has killed of the originial version, all there will be is
"Reforged" either with HD-Textures, or Without. So you can not tell, that the old game worked well enough.
With the patch
- Lan play
- Custom Games without any restriction
- Battlenet Chat
- making new Ingame PlayerAccounts using the same Key/Battlenet 2.0 Account
will be gone - forever.
The only way to preserve the original game now - would be piracy or never to play online.
I still have my old CDs with the game on it... That should hopefully still work without having to do any updates?
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Italy12246 Posts
The game insta updates to reforged. I imagine you can install from CD, but only as long as you're not connected to the Internet.
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On February 03 2020 03:43 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2020 02:27 KT_Elwood wrote:
Warcraft 3 did run perfect on most machines, being a 17 Year old game.
But Blizzard has killed of the originial version, all there will be is
"Reforged" either with HD-Textures, or Without. So you can not tell, that the old game worked well enough.
With the patch
- Lan play
- Custom Games without any restriction
- Battlenet Chat
- making new Ingame PlayerAccounts using the same Key/Battlenet 2.0 Account
will be gone - forever.
The only way to preserve the original game now - would be piracy or never to play online.
I still have my old CDs with the game on it... That should hopefully still work without having to do any updates?
For solo play, yes. You need to cut the access to BNet 2.0 though, or it will try to downgrade it to Reforge.
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If you choose to download the PTR-Client installer of WC3/TFT from the "Games" section of your bnet (2.0) account on battle.net
You get to choose if you want to
a) Enter the CD-Key
b) Login to Battlenet (2.0)
If you enter valid key (key is also listed in your Bnet acc), you instantly get to WC3/TFT on Patch 1.31.xxxx from 06/2019.
And as it seems, the old bnet is still up for the PTR.
If you choose b) you have to download WC3: Refunded with restrictions on Graphics (and no Lan play, nanny-Wordfilter, nanny name banning, bugs and bad performance.)
There is apperently no way to legaly upgrade your CD-Version to 1.26 (around that patch WC3 got Widescreen Res) or 1.31 (last WC3 before Reforged).
And there is no guarentee that Blizzard will keep the "PTR-Loophole" open.
So for everyone who loves WC3: Download the PTR-Client, install, and never patch.
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On February 03 2020 02:37 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2020 02:27 KT_Elwood wrote:
Warcraft 3 did run perfect on most machines, being a 17 Year old game.
But Blizzard has killed of the originial version, all there will be is
"Reforged" either with HD-Textures, or Without. So you can not tell, that the old game worked well enough.
With the patch
- Lan play
- Custom Games without any restriction
- Battlenet Chat
- making new Ingame PlayerAccounts using the same Key/Battlenet 2.0 Account
will be gone - forever.
The only way to preserve the original game now - would be piracy or never to play online.
I wonder if, like with wow classic, eventually people are going to start running classic W3 servers.
There used to be other servers for WC3 even before this release. Though the only one I recall and that is still up seems to be DotA focused. Just as the main platform before the recent Broodwar remaster wasn't battle net due to the latency.
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Northern Ireland25331 Posts
On February 03 2020 04:58 KT_Elwood wrote:
If you choose to download the PTR-Client installer of WC3/TFT from the "Games" section of your bnet (2.0) account on battle.net
You get to choose if you want to
a) Enter the CD-Key
b) Login to Battlenet (2.0)
If you enter valid key (key is also listed in your Bnet acc), you instantly get to WC3/TFT on Patch 1.31.xxxx from 06/2019.
And as it seems, the old bnet is still up for the PTR.
If you choose b) you have to download WC3: Refunded with restrictions on Graphics (and no Lan play, nanny-Wordfilter, nanny name banning, bugs and bad performance.)
There is apperently no way to legaly upgrade your CD-Version to 1.26 (around that patch WC3 got Widescreen Res) or 1.31 (last WC3 before Reforged).
And there is no guarentee that Blizzard will keep the "PTR-Loophole" open.
So for everyone who loves WC3: Download the PTR-Client, install, and never patch.
This sounds like an exceptional pain in the ass, but hopefully they don’t close this.
My WC3 isn’t currently working and I’m not sure why, going to scrub it and reinstall it.
I’ve heard reports that the Battle.net client will try to update if it finds you have classic WC3 installed, is that the case?
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On February 02 2020 21:09 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2020 20:56 Teoita wrote:On February 02 2020 19:56 frontliner2 wrote:
Yeah that comes off as too hostile imho.
Anyway, what a shit show... blizzard is indeed dead.
So what does this do to the pro scene? If there's no ladder, chat, profiles or clans....nothing good? Stuff like new models, resolutions and rumors of changed pathing matter more in the short term.
Well you better hope the patching timeframe is faster than that of Starcraft Remastered....
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