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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On August 25 2016 19:21 mammuluk wrote: Is this game gonna have that kind of Browser stuff they had said? No, they've abandoned that and are now going with a classic, third-party Client. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
But I will be able to judge more by watching full games on stream or youtube. Then I can decide if I even want to bother trying it. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
From the trailer, it also looks like the micro is closer to SC2 than WC3, which is a shame. Micro is not like Sc2 at all. Surely there is no damage point or turning rate, however there its nowhere close to how fast and responsive Sc2 units are. And in terms of TTK its much much closer to Wc3 than Sc2. And the reason you see a big battle is because its the total army value combined of 3 players. A 3v3 Wc3 game would probably look similar. So there is absolutely no way to compare this to Sc2. It's on the complete other side of the RTS spectrum. | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey419 Posts
On August 25 2016 20:36 -Archangel- wrote: Looks uninteresting from those GIFs. Where is this trailer people are talking about and is that a new one or the 2013 one? And in terms of TTK its much much closer to Wc3 than Sc2. Either you are misremembering WC3 or they have misrepresented the game in the trailer. In WC3, even the weakest units would take 10 or so seconds to kill, the units are dying a lot faster in the trailer. There also seem to be some units/abilities that can one shot a group of units, which was never the case in WC3. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On August 25 2016 21:39 _Spartak_ wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rleBbB3ukTc Either you are misremembering WC3 or they have misrepresented the game in the trailer. In WC3, even the weakest units would take 10 or so seconds to kill, the units are dying a lot faster in the trailer. There also seem to be some units/abilities that can one shot a group of units, which was never the case in WC3. Fair enough. The TTK comment definitely wasn't accurate. However, I still maintain the overall "TTK feeling" is significantly different from that of Sc2. Not saying micro is similar to Wc3 either. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On August 25 2016 21:39 _Spartak_ wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rleBbB3ukTc Either you are misremembering WC3 or they have misrepresented the game in the trailer. In WC3, even the weakest units would take 10 or so seconds to kill, the units are dying a lot faster in the trailer. There also seem to be some units/abilities that can one shot a group of units, which was never the case in WC3. Thanks for that. Unfortunately I must say that this is more of a twist on MOBA recipe than a twist on RTS recipe. As I don't play MOBAs (anymore) I am not excited about this at all. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16969 Posts
On August 25 2016 21:39 _Spartak_ wrote:Either you are misremembering WC3 or they have misrepresented the game in the trailer. In WC3, even the weakest units would take 10 or so seconds to kill, the units are dying a lot faster in the trailer. There also seem to be some units/abilities that can one shot a group of units, which was never the case in WC3. its interesting that, early in WoL, the SC2 Siege Tank got nerfed so that it could not 1-shot a zergling/marine/zealot. On August 25 2016 23:29 -Archangel- wrote: Thanks for that. Unfortunately I must say that this is more of a twist on MOBA recipe than a twist on RTS recipe. As I don't play MOBAs (anymore) I am not excited about this at all. yes, it looks more like a slightly different MOBA than an RTS with MOBA elements. its hard to anticipate ahead of time what one will think is fun; F2P games are meant to exploit that by letting people in for nothing. if the group/clan that i play SC2 with end up liking the game i'll prolly join in. no F2P RTS has ever had a modicum of viability; its no surprised that after 3 years after saying it was a F2P RTS its not an RTS. So what started as browser based RTS game and platform that would make the console obsolete we now have another MOBA. On August 25 2016 22:06 Plansix wrote: The small, zergling sized units seem to be the ones that are inta-killed by the AOEs, which would made sense. Though the effects for the AOE are a little under whelming. I liked the large rhino things that pushed the other units around like Magus from Dota 2. i'd prefer they start with underwhelming effects to make sure readability is 100% spot on. Then, as they get comfortable they can later on toe the line that separates readability and spectacular effects. SC2 followed that path. | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey419 Posts
its interesting that, early in WoL, the SC2 Siege Tank got nerfed so that it could not 1-shot a zergling/marine/zealot. The difference is it looks like you can dodge everything that deals such high damage in GoA. It is a lot more problematic for an insant damage unit to be able to one shot.About the MOBA vs RTS debate: I still think it looks like an RTS with some mechanics borrowed from MOBAs. You make and control armies composed of different unit types, that is fundamentally different from MOBAs. The whole point of a MOBA is that you control a single unit. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16969 Posts
On August 26 2016 00:03 _Spartak_ wrote: The difference is it looks like you can dodge everything that deals such high damage in GoA. It is a lot more problematic for an insant damage unit to be able to one shot. About the MOBA vs RTS debate: I still think it looks like an RTS with some mechanics borrowed from MOBAs. You make and control armies composed of different unit types, that is fundamentally different from MOBAs. The whole point of a MOBA is that you control a single unit. could be. i'd need to play and get a feel for it. maybe it'll feel 50/50 or may be it'll feel so different it is its own genre the way Borderlands isn't really Halo and is not really Diablo. the new PTR LotV Sieged Tank can now 1-shot a zergling no matter how upgraded. it'll be interesting to see if it makes it into the live ladder. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Just hope they add flying bodies later on. Because people love ragdolls. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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_Spartak_
Turkey419 Posts
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_Spartak_
Turkey419 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
They could add tons of things to improve the design, but I would play the fuck out of a game that was a series of micro battles with some long term strategic decisions. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16969 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On August 26 2016 00:36 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think BW/SC2 get their labels also because literally half your units are harvesters. Contrast this with C&C which has a very important economic component that requires far less babysitting and less than half a dozen harvester units and there are viable RA3 builds featuring 1 harvester. Are we thinking about the same games? Last time I remembered, you could basically lose your whole economy in C&C games within a few seconds if you weren't watching. | ||
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lestye
United States4186 Posts
On August 26 2016 00:44 KeksX wrote: Are we thinking about the same games? Last time I remembered, you could basically lose your whole economy in C&C games within a few seconds if you weren't watching. I think his point was more like, how long it takes to build one-three harvesters versus how long it can take to build 50 SCVs. Ok, one thing I'm kinda confused with, the gifs seems to show different clumps of units, can you move your units separately from your hero are they kinda one blob? | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey419 Posts
Guardians of Atlas is a unique MOBA-RTS hybrid (“army battler”) for Windows and Mac which combines the action-packed, hero-centric gameplay of a MOBA and the economy, territory control, and individual unit control of an RTS. There are also some instances in the trailer that shows units moving independently from the heroes. So I would assume you can control units individually but players in that gif chose to select all of their army and move it together. | ||
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