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On July 12 2013 16:16 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 16:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On July 12 2013 15:57 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 15:50 semantics wrote:
Best part of the fighting game scene the hype. It's not a spot unless people get batshit crazy over it. I actually dislike that. Japanese/Korean hype is much better than this aggressive American one. Aggressive hype? Excitement that permeates through the crowd, announcers, and people at home is... aggressive? I don't even know what that's supposed to mean unless it relates to Noel Brown. Regardless, you're in a tiny minority that thinks that. Even the Japanese players have talked about the American crowds and hype at evo before. People at home? Not that you would notice that. They spam retarded faces all the time anyway. Yep, that would be the word to describe it. If you compare both cultures in regard to that, you would see a vast difference. It's pretty much like hyping the actual match(Japan/Korea) vs hyping a player/putting a player down(USA) which even the commentators do. I can't stand that at all. I mean, it's not always the case, the SSBM community is fine for example.
Some people don't like commentary that just kisses the players asses it's boring. Good commentary comes in pairs, requires a technical commentator one do describe what is going on and color commentator one to raise the blood pressure of the crowd. The aggressive commentating gets people not just in the crowd hype but the people at home. I haven't watched a korean video game broadcast that got me hype since ma jae yoon was at the top, poking at the players is what gets people invested. Creating a face and a heel is how people get invested they want stories, sports is about selling stories. If you can't weave a story about the team about the people you wont be successful in getting people attached for the long haul.
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On July 12 2013 16:32 semantics wrote:
Good commentary comes in pairs, requires a technical commentator one do describe what is going on and color commentator one to raise the blood pressure of the crowd.
Or best of all, when you have two persons who are good at both.
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On July 12 2013 16:16 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 16:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On July 12 2013 15:57 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 15:50 semantics wrote:
Best part of the fighting game scene the hype. It's not a spot unless people get batshit crazy over it. I actually dislike that. Japanese/Korean hype is much better than this aggressive American one. Aggressive hype? Excitement that permeates through the crowd, announcers, and people at home is... aggressive? I don't even know what that's supposed to mean unless it relates to Noel Brown. Regardless, you're in a tiny minority that thinks that. Even the Japanese players have talked about the American crowds and hype at evo before. People at home? Not that you would notice that. They spam retarded faces all the time anyway. Yep, that would be the word to describe it. If you compare both cultures in regard to that, you would see a vast difference. It's pretty much like hyping the actual match(Japan/Korea) vs hyping a player/putting a player down(USA) which even the commentators do. I can't stand that at all. I mean, it's not always the case, the SSBM community is fine for example.
You just equated the couple of hundred twitch chat viewers with the 100,000 that will be watching this weekend. I'm surprised the SSBM community is a fine example when HomeadeWaffles (or whatever) was one of the best known commentators for a while.
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On July 12 2013 16:32 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 16:16 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 16:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On July 12 2013 15:57 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 15:50 semantics wrote:
Best part of the fighting game scene the hype. It's not a spot unless people get batshit crazy over it. I actually dislike that. Japanese/Korean hype is much better than this aggressive American one. Aggressive hype? Excitement that permeates through the crowd, announcers, and people at home is... aggressive? I don't even know what that's supposed to mean unless it relates to Noel Brown. Regardless, you're in a tiny minority that thinks that. Even the Japanese players have talked about the American crowds and hype at evo before. People at home? Not that you would notice that. They spam retarded faces all the time anyway. Yep, that would be the word to describe it. If you compare both cultures in regard to that, you would see a vast difference. It's pretty much like hyping the actual match(Japan/Korea) vs hyping a player/putting a player down(USA) which even the commentators do. I can't stand that at all. I mean, it's not always the case, the SSBM community is fine for example. Some people don't like commentary that just kisses the players asses it's boring. Good commentary comes in pairs, requires a technical commentator one do describe what is going on and color commentator one to raise the blood pressure of the crowd. The aggressive commentating gets people not just in the crowd hype but the people at home. I haven't watched a korean video game broadcast that got me hype since ma jae yoon was at the top, poking at the players is what gets people invested. Creating a face and a heel is how people get invested they want stories, sports is about selling stories. If you can't weave a story about the team about the people you wont be successful in getting people attached for the long haul.
Been watching e-sports since the dawn of time, I know how commentating works(most of the time). And as I said, it's the exact opposite for me. It just makes me want to close the stream. So I definitely belong to the Eastern side. For me, it's all about the matches. If you watched the Jeadong vs Baby ones, those were extremely good. Jaedong was my favorite player but I still didn't want Baby to lose. The matches were so great, it was enough to get hyped. When a match was over, I was either happy or sad, never angry like it's the case in the American scene(still remember the time when everyone was against Daigo and when he lost, he got pushed around by the crowd...such shameful display). In BW, the "being a fan of a player" just gave something extra and it didn't take anything away.
I don't think e-sports is about selling stories. They are just a little extra. But considering the USA has WWE and the likes, I'm not surprised that they care about that a lot more.
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On July 12 2013 16:34 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 16:32 semantics wrote:
Good commentary comes in pairs, requires a technical commentator one do describe what is going on and color commentator one to raise the blood pressure of the crowd. Or best of all, when you have two persons who are good at both.
That's harder to come by but a good color commentator will know that's going on but just wont talk much about that bad color commentators don't know what's going on and it will eventually show and that will offend the audience that knows what's going on. And a good technical commentator will be concise and remind everyone what is happening, the especially good ones will do that while at the same time somehow avoid being boring due to repetition because often you have to repeat things as you assume people turn in and out they aren't there from start to finish.
Pairs is where it's at as it's hard to carry dead air just by yourself and one has the be different from the other else they just come off as yes men. Just like the players commentators have to contrast each-other although often more in the role of a foil.
On July 12 2013 16:47 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 16:32 semantics wrote:On July 12 2013 16:16 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 16:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On July 12 2013 15:57 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 15:50 semantics wrote:
Best part of the fighting game scene the hype. It's not a spot unless people get batshit crazy over it. I actually dislike that. Japanese/Korean hype is much better than this aggressive American one. Aggressive hype? Excitement that permeates through the crowd, announcers, and people at home is... aggressive? I don't even know what that's supposed to mean unless it relates to Noel Brown. Regardless, you're in a tiny minority that thinks that. Even the Japanese players have talked about the American crowds and hype at evo before. People at home? Not that you would notice that. They spam retarded faces all the time anyway. Yep, that would be the word to describe it. If you compare both cultures in regard to that, you would see a vast difference. It's pretty much like hyping the actual match(Japan/Korea) vs hyping a player/putting a player down(USA) which even the commentators do. I can't stand that at all. I mean, it's not always the case, the SSBM community is fine for example. Some people don't like commentary that just kisses the players asses it's boring. Good commentary comes in pairs, requires a technical commentator one do describe what is going on and color commentator one to raise the blood pressure of the crowd. The aggressive commentating gets people not just in the crowd hype but the people at home. I haven't watched a korean video game broadcast that got me hype since ma jae yoon was at the top, poking at the players is what gets people invested. Creating a face and a heel is how people get invested they want stories, sports is about selling stories. If you can't weave a story about the team about the people you wont be successful in getting people attached for the long haul. Been watching e-sports since the dawn of time, I know how commentating works(most of the time). And as I said, it's the exact opposite for me. It just makes me want to close the stream. So I definitely belong to the Eastern side. For me, it's all about the matches. If you watched the Jeadong vs Baby ones, those were extremely good. Jaedong was my favorite player but I still didn't want Baby to lose. The matches were so great, it was enough to get hyped. When a match was over, I was either happy or sad, never angry like it's the case in the American scene(still remember the time when everyone was against Daigo and when he lost, he got pushed around by the crowd...such shameful display). In BW, the "being a fan of a player" just gave something extra and it didn't take anything away. I don't think e-sports is about selling stories. They are just a little extra. But considering the USA has WWE and the likes, I'm not surprised that they care about that a lot more.
I used wresting terms because that's where it's prominent, but you see the archetypes in all sports.
Basketball this is very common, players that stand out get their story told, people play the villian(kobe) and teams play the underdog(Cinderella story) etc. In American football you see this as well the sports industry is about stories, it's about a personal investment to players. You see this in soccer as well commentators will tell stories about the players during dead air sports is about the attachment to the players. Things like tennis and golf because they aren't team sports this element is very much prevalent you'll know more about the person then you'll ever want to.
The point is to get you to empathize with the people on screen. Get players that people follow you get players that are worth ad revenue.
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On July 12 2013 16:47 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 16:32 semantics wrote:On July 12 2013 16:16 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 16:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On July 12 2013 15:57 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 15:50 semantics wrote:
Best part of the fighting game scene the hype. It's not a spot unless people get batshit crazy over it. I actually dislike that. Japanese/Korean hype is much better than this aggressive American one. Aggressive hype? Excitement that permeates through the crowd, announcers, and people at home is... aggressive? I don't even know what that's supposed to mean unless it relates to Noel Brown. Regardless, you're in a tiny minority that thinks that. Even the Japanese players have talked about the American crowds and hype at evo before. People at home? Not that you would notice that. They spam retarded faces all the time anyway. Yep, that would be the word to describe it. If you compare both cultures in regard to that, you would see a vast difference. It's pretty much like hyping the actual match(Japan/Korea) vs hyping a player/putting a player down(USA) which even the commentators do. I can't stand that at all. I mean, it's not always the case, the SSBM community is fine for example. Some people don't like commentary that just kisses the players asses it's boring. Good commentary comes in pairs, requires a technical commentator one do describe what is going on and color commentator one to raise the blood pressure of the crowd. The aggressive commentating gets people not just in the crowd hype but the people at home. I haven't watched a korean video game broadcast that got me hype since ma jae yoon was at the top, poking at the players is what gets people invested. Creating a face and a heel is how people get invested they want stories, sports is about selling stories. If you can't weave a story about the team about the people you wont be successful in getting people attached for the long haul. Been watching e-sports since the dawn of time, I know how commentating works(most of the time). And as I said, it's the exact opposite for me. It just makes me want to close the stream. So I definitely belong to the Eastern side. For me, it's all about the matches. If you watched the Jeadong vs Baby ones, those were extremely good. Jaedong was my favorite player but I still didn't want Baby to lose. The matches were so great, it was enough to get hyped. When a match was over, I was either happy or sad, never angry like it's the case in the American scene(still remember the time when everyone was against Daigo and when he lost, he got pushed around by the crowd...such shameful display). In BW, the "being a fan of a player" just gave something extra and it didn't take anything away. I don't think e-sports is about selling stories. They are just a little extra. But considering the USA has WWE and the likes, I'm not surprised that they care about that a lot more.
On July 12 2013 16:39 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 16:16 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 16:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On July 12 2013 15:57 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 15:50 semantics wrote:
Best part of the fighting game scene the hype. It's not a spot unless people get batshit crazy over it. I actually dislike that. Japanese/Korean hype is much better than this aggressive American one. Aggressive hype? Excitement that permeates through the crowd, announcers, and people at home is... aggressive? I don't even know what that's supposed to mean unless it relates to Noel Brown. Regardless, you're in a tiny minority that thinks that. Even the Japanese players have talked about the American crowds and hype at evo before. People at home? Not that you would notice that. They spam retarded faces all the time anyway. Yep, that would be the word to describe it. If you compare both cultures in regard to that, you would see a vast difference. It's pretty much like hyping the actual match(Japan/Korea) vs hyping a player/putting a player down(USA) which even the commentators do. I can't stand that at all. I mean, it's not always the case, the SSBM community is fine for example. You just equated the couple of hundred twitch chat viewers with the 100,000 that will be watching this weekend. I'm surprised the SSBM community is a fine example when HomeadeWaffles (or whatever) was one of the best known commentators for a while.
OK, couple of hundred. Those that don't write anything are fine.
Hm, when did he commentate? Been watching SSBM for a while now...but can't watch everything of course because of time zone differences. So maybe I got lucky?
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a bit off-topic: anyone knows if Shiro the mad Abel dude is still playing? Last I heard he was doing some Makoto but thats like almost 2 years ago
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On July 12 2013 17:05 Arceus wrote:
a bit off-topic: anyone knows if Shiro the mad Abel dude is still playing? Last I heard he was doing some Makoto but thats like almost 2 years ago
IIRC, he played as Makoto vs Juicebox' Abel at last year's EVO. No idea if he will attend again this year, haven't looked at the Japanese players coming/haven't paid any attention to the Japanese scene in the past few months. Only thing I know from the not-so-active players is that Eita has played barely any SSF and Isesuto(used to be best Viper in the world) started playing again a bit (as DJ though).
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On July 12 2013 17:12 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 17:05 Arceus wrote:
a bit off-topic: anyone knows if Shiro the mad Abel dude is still playing? Last I heard he was doing some Makoto but thats like almost 2 years ago IIRC, he played as Makoto vs Juicebox' Abel at last year's EVO. No idea if he will attend again this year, haven't looked at the Japanese players coming/haven't paid any attention to the Japanese scene in the past few months. Only thing I know from the not-so-active players is that Eita has played barely any SSF and Isesuto(used to be best Viper in the world) started playing again a bit (as DJ though).
weird. I still catch some of Eita playing akuma every now and then on youtube. Kyabetsu was still the best Viper in my heart btw
tbh Japanese scene these days is not as exciting as in vanilla or early SSFIV. Many of my favorites went MIA and Im not digging these topangas very much 
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On July 12 2013 17:32 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 17:12 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 17:05 Arceus wrote:
a bit off-topic: anyone knows if Shiro the mad Abel dude is still playing? Last I heard he was doing some Makoto but thats like almost 2 years ago IIRC, he played as Makoto vs Juicebox' Abel at last year's EVO. No idea if he will attend again this year, haven't looked at the Japanese players coming/haven't paid any attention to the Japanese scene in the past few months. Only thing I know from the not-so-active players is that Eita has played barely any SSF and Isesuto(used to be best Viper in the world) started playing again a bit (as DJ though). weird. I still catch some of Eita playing akuma every now and then on youtube. Kyabetsu was still the best Viper in my heart btw tbh Japanese scene these days is not as exciting as in vanilla or early SSFIV. Many of my favorites went MIA and Im not digging these topangas very much
As I said, barely. It's more about Marvel vs Crapcom for him which I really dislike :/ Dunno, he was only every good, not top. Tonpy has a higher win rate than he does and Tonpy vs Isesuto in a Viper mirror was 1-9. Though, those were SSFIV times, the best time in my opinion. Not even early but more like the middle part when everyone was playing it. Early few weeks of AE were great as well. These days(and the many months before), AE is not THAT popular anymore, which is a shame.
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On July 12 2013 17:32 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 17:12 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 17:05 Arceus wrote:
a bit off-topic: anyone knows if Shiro the mad Abel dude is still playing? Last I heard he was doing some Makoto but thats like almost 2 years ago IIRC, he played as Makoto vs Juicebox' Abel at last year's EVO. No idea if he will attend again this year, haven't looked at the Japanese players coming/haven't paid any attention to the Japanese scene in the past few months. Only thing I know from the not-so-active players is that Eita has played barely any SSF and Isesuto(used to be best Viper in the world) started playing again a bit (as DJ though). weird. I still catch some of Eita playing akuma every now and then on youtube. Kyabetsu was still the best Viper in my heart btw tbh Japanese scene these days is not as exciting as in vanilla or early SSFIV. Many of my favorites went MIA and Im not digging these topangas very much
Japanese players are probably better now than before. It's just that the Japanese arcade players don't like their games to be on the Internet and are not receptive to sharing tech. The Topanga guys are the minority when it comes to sharing strategy and discussion. Some of the more prominent streamers left the scene, but the arcade players right now are top notch.
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Went to EVO in 2010 and 2011, brother played in 2010. Great experiences, he went again this year, hope to see him place well in SF and UMVCP3.
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On July 12 2013 17:55 broz0rs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 17:32 Arceus wrote:On July 12 2013 17:12 Lucumo wrote:On July 12 2013 17:05 Arceus wrote:
a bit off-topic: anyone knows if Shiro the mad Abel dude is still playing? Last I heard he was doing some Makoto but thats like almost 2 years ago IIRC, he played as Makoto vs Juicebox' Abel at last year's EVO. No idea if he will attend again this year, haven't looked at the Japanese players coming/haven't paid any attention to the Japanese scene in the past few months. Only thing I know from the not-so-active players is that Eita has played barely any SSF and Isesuto(used to be best Viper in the world) started playing again a bit (as DJ though). weird. I still catch some of Eita playing akuma every now and then on youtube. Kyabetsu was still the best Viper in my heart btw tbh Japanese scene these days is not as exciting as in vanilla or early SSFIV. Many of my favorites went MIA and Im not digging these topangas very much Japanese players are probably better now than before. It's just that the Japanese arcade players don't like their games to be on the Internet and are not receptive to sharing tech. The Topanga guys are the minority when it comes to sharing strategy and discussion. Some of the more prominent streamers left the scene, but the arcade players right now are top notch.
The problem is though, they aren't out in the open and many of them don't even attend tournaments in Japan. That's the sad thing. What point is there, when you have nothing of them? I really would love to see some Wao or Waikee. Or Itabashi Zangief, most people know him because he attends several tournaments. But he is definitely not the top Zangief player. Personally, I love zangitan because I really like his super-aggressive style. But he rarely attends tournaments and hasn't been that active recently either. Also, he has a funny Hakan as well.
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Evans @Evans_SF 1h
Some news from Luffy : He's really struggling with the PS3 input lag, he said that's it's impossible to play footsies :/
Negative Edge @NegativeEdgeGBG 1h
@Evans_SF @hadoshrooms Popi is having the same problem. :/
@NegativeEdgeGBG @hadoshrooms I experienced it too, I can say that's it is a pain in the a** to play on PS3 :s let's hope the best for them
Why does evo use PS3? Everywhere else I look, the game is played on 360
(Negative Edge is a community that Popi belongs to)
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On July 12 2013 19:01 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +Evans @Evans_SF 1h
Some news from Luffy : He's really struggling with the PS3 input lag, he said that's it's impossible to play footsies :/ Show nested quote + Negative Edge @NegativeEdgeGBG 1h
@Evans_SF @hadoshrooms Popi is having the same problem. :/ Show nested quote +@NegativeEdgeGBG @hadoshrooms I experienced it too, I can say that's it is a pain in the a** to play on PS3 :s let's hope the best for them Why does evo use PS3? Everywhere else I look, the game is played on 360 (Negative Edge is a community that Popi belongs to)
I think it's part Sony sponsoring EVO and part they always had PS3 consoles and it would be too expensive to change it now.
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"Hey could I please have a vacation from friday to monday, I need to watch EVO"
Can't believe it worked, go me <.<
Looking forward to P4A the most, it's been the first time I've really loved playing a game like I used to love SSBM.
Also really looking forward to SSBM(played it at a top level for many years), UMVC3(although it's been quite dull lately, don't get why the popularity hasn't yet had a nosedive), SF4(mostly because of the swedish players) and KoF and Injustice as well although I've never really played them.
Should be a really good weekend.
It's not Xbox 360 elsewhere always, in Europe at least PS3 seems to be quite a bit more popular in comparison... Or at least around my scene.
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On July 12 2013 19:24 Shikyo wrote:
SF4(mostly because of the swedish players)
Good Guy Neighbor
It's not Xbox 360 elsewhere always, in Europe at least PS3 seems to be quite a bit more popular in comparison... Or at least around my scene.
All the Swedish tournaments I've watched uses 360.
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On July 12 2013 19:24 Shikyo wrote:
"Hey could I please have a vacation from friday to monday, I need to watch EVO"
Can't believe it worked, go me <.<
Ha ha, you actually cited that as a reason? I was pressured into taking days off, still have too many left. Next one will be SGDQ and then The Invitational 3 ^_^
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Very nice OP ! Now let's see a Jap take Mvc :3
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On July 12 2013 19:11 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 19:01 WindWolf wrote:Evans @Evans_SF 1h
Some news from Luffy : He's really struggling with the PS3 input lag, he said that's it's impossible to play footsies :/ Negative Edge @NegativeEdgeGBG 1h
@Evans_SF @hadoshrooms Popi is having the same problem. :/ @NegativeEdgeGBG @hadoshrooms I experienced it too, I can say that's it is a pain in the a** to play on PS3 :s let's hope the best for them Why does evo use PS3? Everywhere else I look, the game is played on 360 (Negative Edge is a community that Popi belongs to) I think it's part Sony sponsoring EVO and part they always had PS3 consoles and it would be too expensive to change it now. Yeah it's sony sponsorship plus they already have all these ps3's to use and they are used to running the tournament with ps3's. To change it would be expensive even if every 360 was donated. Even though this is detrimental to games like umvc3 and things like ps3 version of sf4 is slow, it's slower then 360 and even the arcade version which isn't necessarily bad it's just very different timings which is hard considering most if not all the majors running up to evo use 360's.
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