On July 15 2013 15:53 Levistus wrote: what happened at last year's SBO?
They decided to have it outdoors.
In summer.
None of the players could see anything on the screens due to all the glare.
Didn't they also have issues with ants and insects getting in equipment? Like in cabinets and sticks? And then some issue (maybe in prior years) with some international players not getting to compete? The details are really fuzzy.
SBO reminds me a lot of WCG, both in the prestige they once held and in their decline.
Plus the fact that SBO has always been single elimination made a lot of people question it's legitimacy due to sheer randomness.
Not just single elimination. Single elimination, single game.
on the other hand this super hardcore format adds to the hype somehow. Also it has no prize money, only glory, that takes off the edge of single elim.
Which is why EVO Japan/Godsgarden is even a thing. SBO makes it very hard on players outside of japan to compete spending thousands of dollars to fly there and stay there for the event, only to come away with a few hundred bucks even if you're the best.
Plus to tournament doesn't provide things like translators or anything really and lacks an official english broadcast(considering a large part of non chinese Internet is English and it accommodates alot of places outside of japan that's bad) and charged for the stream alot of money just to view both days. It's just extra bad because EVO accommodates japanese viewers over on niconico
Not like it was ever relevant because only once they got past the first round.
It's more like advertisement for the Japanese arcade scene which is fine in my opinion. Also, the lack of English viewers makes the chat so much more clean.
Non-japanese have done great in sbos (namely Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Australian)
Very little players attend any fighting game tournament and break even/positive due to prize money
EVO only had a japanese stream this year after multiple years of streaming and even then it was Niconico who reached out to do it and not something that EVO itself setup
Things are expensive in japan, and if niconico wants to charge for their stream its their decision
Single Elimination was the norm for most tournaments in japan, not just sbo
SBO was a japanese tournament with very little resources, you can't expect them to accommodate everyone considering they barely were capable of accommodating japan. The fact they even offered international direct qualifiers was generous.
SBO did a lot of things bad but you can't blame them for everything.
On July 15 2013 17:54 Levistus wrote: wow nemo beat filipino champ in that ft20 mm match? didn't see him in top 8 evo. how good is he?
best player in Japan and the one responsible for popularizing the Nova/Spencer/Strange team. he lost to Ponce then Paradigm.
wow i just checked, no japanese player in top 8 in evo umvc3 2013 and 2012. is umvc3 dominated by americans? no japan fighting gods in umvc3? just curious thanks!
edit: checked further even mvc2 in evo top 8 are americans. only in cvs2 are there japanese in top 8(most top1).
Yeah, the Japanese players have only recently started to play Marvel, but many of them are improving very rapidly. It isn't an arcade game, so that definitely is an entry barrier for a fighting game in Japan.
partly true, but the rift started even way back when marvel games were released in arcades. Japanese players just didnt have much interest in marvel crossover games where as americans embraced it like a religion. some ppl attribute it to familiarity with marvel franchise (explains why TvC was fairly popular when its pretty much in essence the exact same game swapped with jap franchise characters) This changed alot in a decade through hollywood. Maybe thats true. I still dont get why J players would play a totally ridiculously strange characters in other GG like franchise and not pick up marvel crossovers, but whatever the real reason might be, marvel crossovers just started gaining interest over there.
Evo was pretty awesome this year. I'm especially glad we also got to see cool indie stuff around like Divekick and Barabariball http://www.twitch.tv/irongalaxy/c/2582776
It has little to do with "weird" characters and moreso to do with just the general community's embrace of a given game. Japanese culture hasn't shied away from Marvel characters over the decades, but it always comes and goes, just like interest in comic book characters waxes and wanes in the United States.
i know about that tv show. my point was if familiarity theory some ppl say is the reason for unpopularity of marvel in the beginning was true, then i was questioning why gg and blazblue characters that are original IPs got more welcomed chance than marvel. laying out the theory and countering it myself. maybe i said it all wrong.
Just thought I'd post up here; shoutouts to the TL guys I happened to meet in my Marvel pool at EVOO ^__^ It was fun playing and talking with you guys; sorry I had to beat you to make it out T_T
On July 17 2013 10:06 Vista wrote: Just thought I'd post up here; shoutouts to the TL guys I happened to meet in my Marvel pool at EVOO ^__^ It was fun playing and talking with you guys; sorry I had to beat you to make it out T_T
Should've beat trumpet faster. Why you dropping games to captain America
On July 17 2013 10:06 Vista wrote: Just thought I'd post up here; shoutouts to the TL guys I happened to meet in my Marvel pool at EVOO ^__^ It was fun playing and talking with you guys; sorry I had to beat you to make it out T_T
Should've beat trumpet faster. Why you dropping games to captain America
On July 17 2013 10:06 Vista wrote: Just thought I'd post up here; shoutouts to the TL guys I happened to meet in my Marvel pool at EVOO ^__^ It was fun playing and talking with you guys; sorry I had to beat you to make it out T_T
Should've beat trumpet faster. Why you dropping games to captain America
I don't play this game ;___; Didn't he take a game on Apologyman as well LOL...
On July 15 2013 15:53 Levistus wrote: what happened at last year's SBO?
They decided to have it outdoors.
In summer.
None of the players could see anything on the screens due to all the glare.
Didn't they also have issues with ants and insects getting in equipment? Like in cabinets and sticks? And then some issue (maybe in prior years) with some international players not getting to compete? The details are really fuzzy.
SBO reminds me a lot of WCG, both in the prestige they once held and in their decline.
Plus the fact that SBO has always been single elimination made a lot of people question it's legitimacy due to sheer randomness.
Not just single elimination. Single elimination, single game.
on the other hand this super hardcore format adds to the hype somehow. Also it has no prize money, only glory, that takes off the edge of single elim.
Which is why EVO Japan/Godsgarden is even a thing. SBO makes it very hard on players outside of japan to compete spending thousands of dollars to fly there and stay there for the event, only to come away with a few hundred bucks even if you're the best.
Plus to tournament doesn't provide things like translators or anything really and lacks an official english broadcast(considering a large part of non chinese Internet is English and it accommodates alot of places outside of japan that's bad) and charged for the stream alot of money just to view both days. It's just extra bad because EVO accommodates japanese viewers over on niconico
Not like it was ever relevant because only once they got past the first round.
It's more like advertisement for the Japanese arcade scene which is fine in my opinion. Also, the lack of English viewers makes the chat so much more clean.
Non-japanese have done great in sbos (namely Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Australian)
Very little players attend any fighting game tournament and break even/positive due to prize money
EVO only had a japanese stream this year after multiple years of streaming and even then it was Niconico who reached out to do it and not something that EVO itself setup
Things are expensive in japan, and if niconico wants to charge for their stream its their decision
Single Elimination was the norm for most tournaments in japan, not just sbo
SBO was a japanese tournament with very little resources, you can't expect them to accommodate everyone considering they barely were capable of accommodating japan. The fact they even offered international direct qualifiers was generous.
SBO did a lot of things bad but you can't blame them for everything.
Yeah, but that's just a small hop to Japan. Should have specified that I was referring to Americans.
And that's the reason that even in Japan, several top players don't drive to tournaments.
Hm, depends. There were always restreams before, just no official ones. So in the end, they just combined everything, nothing more.
On July 17 2013 10:06 Vista wrote: Just thought I'd post up here; shoutouts to the TL guys I happened to meet in my Marvel pool at EVOO ^__^ It was fun playing and talking with you guys; sorry I had to beat you to make it out T_T
Should've beat trumpet faster. Why you dropping games to captain America
I don't play this game ;___; Didn't he take a game on Apologyman as well LOL...
can't use that excuse when vsing a kof player!
Edit: tbh I think I could've beaten or at least done way better in that set vs apologyman if I had some matchup experience vs firebrand. I'm a slow learner though, so I'd need to play at least 10 games or so to really get used to it >.>
EPT
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