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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
July 16 2013 20:59 GMT
#4881
On July 17 2013 01:06 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 18:38 semantics wrote:
On July 16 2013 16:13 freelander wrote:
On July 15 2013 16:05 Warpticon wrote:
On July 15 2013 16:00 Koenig99 wrote:
On July 15 2013 15:59 Scribble wrote:
On July 15 2013 15:55 Koenig99 wrote:
On July 15 2013 15:53 Levistus wrote:
what happened at last year's SBO?


They decided to have it outdoors.

In summer.

None of the players could see anything on the screens due to all the glare.


Didn't they also have issues with ants and insects getting in equipment? Like in cabinets and sticks? And then some issue (maybe in prior years) with some international players not getting to compete? The details are really fuzzy.

SBO reminds me a lot of WCG, both in the prestige they once held and in their decline.

Plus the fact that SBO has always been single elimination made a lot of people question it's legitimacy due to sheer randomness.


Not just single elimination. Single elimination, single game.


on the other hand this super hardcore format adds to the hype somehow. Also it has no prize money, only glory, that takes off the edge of single elim.
Which is why EVO Japan/Godsgarden is even a thing. SBO makes it very hard on players outside of japan to compete spending thousands of dollars to fly there and stay there for the event, only to come away with a few hundred bucks even if you're the best.

Plus to tournament doesn't provide things like translators or anything really and lacks an official english broadcast(considering a large part of non chinese Internet is English and it accommodates alot of places outside of japan that's bad) and charged for the stream alot of money just to view both days. It's just extra bad because EVO accommodates japanese viewers over on niconico

Not like it was ever relevant because only once they got past the first round.

It's more like advertisement for the Japanese arcade scene which is fine in my opinion. Also, the lack of English viewers makes the chat so much more clean.


Non-japanese have done great in sbos (namely Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Australian)

Very little players attend any fighting game tournament and break even/positive due to prize money

EVO only had a japanese stream this year after multiple years of streaming and even then it was Niconico who reached out to do it and not something that EVO itself setup

Things are expensive in japan, and if niconico wants to charge for their stream its their decision

Single Elimination was the norm for most tournaments in japan, not just sbo

SBO was a japanese tournament with very little resources, you can't expect them to accommodate everyone considering they barely were capable of accommodating japan. The fact they even offered international direct qualifiers was generous.

SBO did a lot of things bad but you can't blame them for everything.
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tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
July 16 2013 21:34 GMT
#4882
I miss hype like this, haha:


There's cussing in this video.
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
NIJ
Profile Joined March 2010
1012 Posts
July 16 2013 21:39 GMT
#4883
On July 15 2013 18:28 Looms wrote:
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On July 15 2013 18:21 Levistus wrote:
On July 15 2013 18:02 Looms wrote:
On July 15 2013 17:54 Levistus wrote:
wow nemo beat filipino champ in that ft20 mm match? didn't see him in top 8 evo. how good is he?


best player in Japan and the one responsible for popularizing the Nova/Spencer/Strange team. he lost to Ponce then Paradigm.

wow i just checked, no japanese player in top 8 in evo umvc3 2013 and 2012. is umvc3 dominated by americans? no japan fighting gods in umvc3? just curious thanks!

edit: checked further even mvc2 in evo top 8 are americans. only in cvs2 are there japanese in top 8(most top1).


Yeah, the Japanese players have only recently started to play Marvel, but many of them are improving very rapidly. It isn't an arcade game, so that definitely is an entry barrier for a fighting game in Japan.

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On July 15 2013 18:24 Dingodile wrote:
so, who won what? I want to see a list of Top4 every fighter games.


http://shoryuken.com/2013/07/14/evo-2013-the-largest-fighting-game-tournament-in-the-world-streaming-live-from-las-vegas/

partly true, but the rift started even way back when marvel games were released in arcades. Japanese players just didnt have much interest in marvel crossover games where as americans embraced it like a religion. some ppl attribute it to familiarity with marvel franchise (explains why TvC was fairly popular when its pretty much in essence the exact same game swapped with jap franchise characters) This changed alot in a decade through hollywood. Maybe thats true. I still dont get why J players would play a totally ridiculously strange characters in other GG like franchise and not pick up marvel crossovers, but whatever the real reason might be, marvel crossovers just started gaining interest over there.
Act of thinking logically cannot possibly be natural to the human mind. If it were, then mathematics would be everybody's easiest course at school and our species would not have taken several millennia to figure out the scientific method -NDT
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
July 16 2013 21:45 GMT
#4884
Evo was pretty awesome this year. I'm especially glad we also got to see cool indie stuff around like Divekick and Barabariball
http://www.twitch.tv/irongalaxy/c/2582776
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carraway
Profile Joined March 2011
264 Posts
July 16 2013 21:45 GMT
#4885
It has little to do with "weird" characters and moreso to do with just the general community's embrace of a given game. Japanese culture hasn't shied away from Marvel characters over the decades, but it always comes and goes, just like interest in comic book characters waxes and wanes in the United States.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_(Toei_TV_series) (1978)
NIJ
Profile Joined March 2010
1012 Posts
July 16 2013 21:59 GMT
#4886
i know about that tv show. my point was if familiarity theory some ppl say is the reason for unpopularity of marvel in the beginning was true, then i was questioning why gg and blazblue characters that are original IPs got more welcomed chance than marvel. laying out the theory and countering it myself. maybe i said it all wrong.
Act of thinking logically cannot possibly be natural to the human mind. If it were, then mathematics would be everybody's easiest course at school and our species would not have taken several millennia to figure out the scientific method -NDT
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 16 2013 22:25 GMT
#4887
On July 17 2013 06:34 tshi wrote:
I miss hype like this, haha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuf2ktPoONk&feature=player_detailpage#t=465s

There's cussing in this video.



LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Shinbi
Profile Joined December 2009
338 Posts
July 16 2013 23:24 GMT
#4888
On July 17 2013 07:25 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 06:34 tshi wrote:
I miss hype like this, haha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuf2ktPoONk&feature=player_detailpage#t=465s

There's cussing in this video.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNmX3hNdBss#t=1m31s





+ Show Spoiler +
d a b e s

Vista
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States100 Posts
July 17 2013 01:06 GMT
#4889
Just thought I'd post up here; shoutouts to the TL guys I happened to meet in my Marvel pool at EVOO ^__^ It was fun playing and talking with you guys; sorry I had to beat you to make it out T_T
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
July 17 2013 05:02 GMT
#4890
On July 17 2013 10:06 Vista wrote:
Just thought I'd post up here; shoutouts to the TL guys I happened to meet in my Marvel pool at EVOO ^__^ It was fun playing and talking with you guys; sorry I had to beat you to make it out T_T

Should've beat trumpet faster. Why you dropping games to captain America
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 05:20:01
July 17 2013 05:18 GMT
#4891
On July 17 2013 14:02 pachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 10:06 Vista wrote:
Just thought I'd post up here; shoutouts to the TL guys I happened to meet in my Marvel pool at EVOO ^__^ It was fun playing and talking with you guys; sorry I had to beat you to make it out T_T

Should've beat trumpet faster. Why you dropping games to captain America

Obviously too busy enjoying the great music
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 17 2013 05:41 GMT
#4892
If you enjoyed Evo you have to watch this as well:

[image loading]
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 05:49:40
July 17 2013 05:47 GMT
#4893
Did somebody say Captain America?



Good article btw: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/behind-the-joystick-at-the-evo-2013-fighting-games-championship/
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Vista
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States100 Posts
July 17 2013 09:30 GMT
#4894
On July 17 2013 14:02 pachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 10:06 Vista wrote:
Just thought I'd post up here; shoutouts to the TL guys I happened to meet in my Marvel pool at EVOO ^__^ It was fun playing and talking with you guys; sorry I had to beat you to make it out T_T

Should've beat trumpet faster. Why you dropping games to captain America


I don't play this game ;___; Didn't he take a game on Apologyman as well LOL...
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
July 17 2013 15:51 GMT
#4895
On July 17 2013 05:59 pachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 01:06 Lucumo wrote:
On July 16 2013 18:38 semantics wrote:
On July 16 2013 16:13 freelander wrote:
On July 15 2013 16:05 Warpticon wrote:
On July 15 2013 16:00 Koenig99 wrote:
On July 15 2013 15:59 Scribble wrote:
On July 15 2013 15:55 Koenig99 wrote:
On July 15 2013 15:53 Levistus wrote:
what happened at last year's SBO?


They decided to have it outdoors.

In summer.

None of the players could see anything on the screens due to all the glare.


Didn't they also have issues with ants and insects getting in equipment? Like in cabinets and sticks? And then some issue (maybe in prior years) with some international players not getting to compete? The details are really fuzzy.

SBO reminds me a lot of WCG, both in the prestige they once held and in their decline.

Plus the fact that SBO has always been single elimination made a lot of people question it's legitimacy due to sheer randomness.


Not just single elimination. Single elimination, single game.


on the other hand this super hardcore format adds to the hype somehow. Also it has no prize money, only glory, that takes off the edge of single elim.
Which is why EVO Japan/Godsgarden is even a thing. SBO makes it very hard on players outside of japan to compete spending thousands of dollars to fly there and stay there for the event, only to come away with a few hundred bucks even if you're the best.

Plus to tournament doesn't provide things like translators or anything really and lacks an official english broadcast(considering a large part of non chinese Internet is English and it accommodates alot of places outside of japan that's bad) and charged for the stream alot of money just to view both days. It's just extra bad because EVO accommodates japanese viewers over on niconico

Not like it was ever relevant because only once they got past the first round.

It's more like advertisement for the Japanese arcade scene which is fine in my opinion. Also, the lack of English viewers makes the chat so much more clean.


Non-japanese have done great in sbos (namely Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Australian)

Very little players attend any fighting game tournament and break even/positive due to prize money

EVO only had a japanese stream this year after multiple years of streaming and even then it was Niconico who reached out to do it and not something that EVO itself setup

Things are expensive in japan, and if niconico wants to charge for their stream its their decision

Single Elimination was the norm for most tournaments in japan, not just sbo

SBO was a japanese tournament with very little resources, you can't expect them to accommodate everyone considering they barely were capable of accommodating japan. The fact they even offered international direct qualifiers was generous.

SBO did a lot of things bad but you can't blame them for everything.

Yeah, but that's just a small hop to Japan. Should have specified that I was referring to Americans.

And that's the reason that even in Japan, several top players don't drive to tournaments.

Hm, depends. There were always restreams before, just no official ones. So in the end, they just combined everything, nothing more.

I guess everything else doesn't refer to me.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
July 17 2013 17:19 GMT
#4896


TRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMPET
Forever Young
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1936 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 23:43:26
July 17 2013 23:38 GMT
#4897
On July 17 2013 18:30 Vista wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 14:02 pachi wrote:
On July 17 2013 10:06 Vista wrote:
Just thought I'd post up here; shoutouts to the TL guys I happened to meet in my Marvel pool at EVOO ^__^ It was fun playing and talking with you guys; sorry I had to beat you to make it out T_T

Should've beat trumpet faster. Why you dropping games to captain America


I don't play this game ;___; Didn't he take a game on Apologyman as well LOL...


can't use that excuse when vsing a kof player!

Edit: tbh I think I could've beaten or at least done way better in that set vs apologyman if I had some matchup experience vs firebrand. I'm a slow learner though, so I'd need to play at least 10 games or so to really get used to it >.>
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