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Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
July 14 2013 22:12 GMT
#2761
On July 15 2013 07:11 lannisport wrote:
Man... Fighting games (And games like quake) are so much more exciting than sc2. Much faster pace, easier to follow hence more tension is built throughout the games.


both the games AND how much downtime is involved. the time between games can kill a lot of the hype.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 14 2013 22:12 GMT
#2762
On July 15 2013 07:10 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:08 Quadratic wrote:
Why can't starcraft be this hype? I love SC2 but man, the FG community just pops off.


This is their biggest tournament of the year dude.


A lot of FGC majors are pretty hype. Nowhere near this, but then no one else can gather thousands of competitors.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 22:13:22
July 14 2013 22:12 GMT
#2763
On July 15 2013 07:11 thebig1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:06 Asymmetric wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:02 thebig1 wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:59 Roggay wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:58 thebig1 wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:51 HazMat wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:46 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
It's unfortunate that there's still a ton of people from the fighting community that bashes Melee. Melee is arguably one of the most successful "fighting games" in the competitive scene ever, and many people from the traditional fighting game community will still puts down Melee as a game that doesn't belong in their community. I grew up in the Smash scene ever since it broke out and played professionally until Brawl came out and temporarily killed the Melee community. So good to see it still retain its competitive popularity.

Sounds like League of Legends :O


Honestly, it's more comparable to a Shootmania (or something) player looking at the guys surrounding him, thinking his game is much bigger than it is, and claiming that they should be spoken of in the same breath as Quake without knowing the history of Quake.

Even with the game being as old as it is, it's competitive history is tiny compared to the 'the traditional fighting game community'. It's your classic strong headed young guy trying to get respect from the old guard and flailing about when they don't want to freely give it.

Smash Bros has the advantage of having the young youtube generation behind it though. Read into that however you will.


You are just a hater.


And it appears you are one of those young youtube generation. My post was not an attack on the game. It was an attempt at a more realistic view of the situtation. The whole world isn't out to get you or your game.


Melee was released 2001.

Youtube was released in 2005.

Consider your replies carefully.


Hmm? Generations are a period of time based on culture events. Time much bigger than the 4 years. Would you prefer I use the term Generation Z instead? It's the same thing really.

Generation Z was at most around 5 in 2001, so no, it's not the correct term either.
terialk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States770 Posts
July 14 2013 22:12 GMT
#2764
On July 15 2013 07:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:02 terialk wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:59 Mannerheim wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:57 DoNotDisturb wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:56 Mannerheim wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:54 Fatalize wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:54 Asymmetric wrote:
How many viewers did TI2 for dota2 get?


500k I think with chinese viewers


Didn't the first Dota 2 The Defense have like 2 million concurrent viewers? The one that was essentially the unveiling of the game.


uhh 2million concurrent is a little exaggerated, don't you think? I don't remember JoinDota ever releasing a number anyway

according to valve TI2 had 567k

http://blog.dota2.com/2012/09/the-2012-international/


I remember seeing the number myself in a player. It was the first Dota 2 tournament, the official unveiling of the game and had a massive prize pool.


Are you talking about TI1? Iirc the opening rounds did have 1.5 million+ watching.

The opening rounds definitely did not have 1.5 million concurrent watching.


That was across all languages. English only had 300k iirc. Vaguely I found this old post: https://www.facebook.com/joinDOTA/posts/247700551931398 but it was a hot topic back then since people were comparing numbers to LoL (because they never not compare).
"This is not the beginning of an end. Instead, it is the end of a beginning." // Little Sprite Fan :D // Never go full China. // At least NA won at Dota 2.
Tunga
Profile Joined August 2011
United States765 Posts
July 14 2013 22:13 GMT
#2765
135k viewers watched Smash. Something tells me AE and Marvel can't top that but Smash has tons of history. It's like if a big OGN Broodwar tourney came back with every single legend in their prime. It's just that one moment in a trillion.
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
July 14 2013 22:13 GMT
#2766
If the new Smash is a good competitive game, it will be purely by accident given Nintendo's stance. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they purposely try to "sabotage" it as a competitive game.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
July 14 2013 22:13 GMT
#2767
On July 15 2013 07:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:11 Hall0wed wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:10 stuchiu wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:08 SKC wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
When's the next smash coming out?

2014


Then that confuses the issue of if Melee comes back next year, or if they might try the new one.


Depends if Nintendo can actually learn and not make a shitty competitive game again like they did with Brawl.

Nintendo doesn't really give a shit about competitive gaming though.


nintendo almost didnt even give permission for this game to be streamed. shows u how much they really care about the community that supports their game
Footler
Profile Joined January 2010
United States560 Posts
July 14 2013 22:13 GMT
#2768
That was so entertaining! What's the community site for SSBM? Does it have a TL.net equivalent? Watching Armada play Peach was so cool.
I am The-Sink! Parting bandwagoner before it became a soul train.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 14 2013 22:13 GMT
#2769
On July 15 2013 07:12 Looms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:11 lannisport wrote:
Man... Fighting games (And games like quake) are so much more exciting than sc2. Much faster pace, easier to follow hence more tension is built throughout the games.


both the games AND how much downtime is involved. the time between games can kill a lot of the hype.

I disagree, most fighting game tournaments have very little downtime whereas SC2 tournaments tend to have much more downtime(in between matches).

When we talk about in-game downtime it's absolutely no contest.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
July 14 2013 22:13 GMT
#2770
On July 15 2013 07:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:11 Hall0wed wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:10 stuchiu wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:08 SKC wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
When's the next smash coming out?

2014


Then that confuses the issue of if Melee comes back next year, or if they might try the new one.


Depends if Nintendo can actually learn and not make a shitty competitive game again like they did with Brawl.

Nintendo doesn't really give a shit about competitive gaming though.

well if nintendo fucks up again, maybe project:m can pick up the slack

don't know how likely it is that a mod will be played at an official event, tho.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 22:14:56
July 14 2013 22:13 GMT
#2771
On July 15 2013 07:11 thebig1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:06 Asymmetric wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:02 thebig1 wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:59 Roggay wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:58 thebig1 wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:51 HazMat wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:46 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
It's unfortunate that there's still a ton of people from the fighting community that bashes Melee. Melee is arguably one of the most successful "fighting games" in the competitive scene ever, and many people from the traditional fighting game community will still puts down Melee as a game that doesn't belong in their community. I grew up in the Smash scene ever since it broke out and played professionally until Brawl came out and temporarily killed the Melee community. So good to see it still retain its competitive popularity.

Sounds like League of Legends :O


Honestly, it's more comparable to a Shootmania (or something) player looking at the guys surrounding him, thinking his game is much bigger than it is, and claiming that they should be spoken of in the same breath as Quake without knowing the history of Quake.

Even with the game being as old as it is, it's competitive history is tiny compared to the 'the traditional fighting game community'. It's your classic strong headed young guy trying to get respect from the old guard and flailing about when they don't want to freely give it.

Smash Bros has the advantage of having the young youtube generation behind it though. Read into that however you will.


You are just a hater.


And it appears you are one of those young youtube generation. My post was not an attack on the game. It was an attempt at a more realistic view of the situtation. The whole world isn't out to get you or your game.


Melee was released 2001.

Youtube was released in 2005.

Consider your replies carefully.


Hmm? Generations are a period of time based on culture events. Time much bigger than the 4 years. Would you prefer I use the term Generation Z instead? It's the same thing really.


The foundations of your argument is faulty.

There is no generational difference between the SSF/MvC3 competitors and the SSBM ones.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
July 14 2013 22:14 GMT
#2772
On July 15 2013 07:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:11 Hall0wed wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:10 stuchiu wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:08 SKC wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
When's the next smash coming out?

2014


Then that confuses the issue of if Melee comes back next year, or if they might try the new one.


Depends if Nintendo can actually learn and not make a shitty competitive game again like they did with Brawl.

Nintendo doesn't really give a shit about competitive gaming though.


Hopefully, HOPEFULLY, numbers like the ones that just showed up to watch Melee can convince them otherwise.

If not? They accidentally got it right with Melee, perhaps that title will just be immortal.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 22:14:46
July 14 2013 22:14 GMT
#2773
On July 15 2013 07:12 Fatalize wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:11 lannisport wrote:
Man... Fighting games (And games like quake) are so much more exciting than sc2. Much faster pace, easier to follow hence more tension is built throughout the games.


BTW it's a shame that Quake is pretty much dead in terms of viewership. It's probably the most dynamic esport title


i'm not sure of the history but i think quake live was what killed it, unfortunately. theres some great videos out there where a pro (i think rapha?) talks through a replay of entire match and explains his decision making process. really great insight into map control, timing the buffs, and reading the opponent.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Fatalize
Profile Joined January 2011
France5210 Posts
July 14 2013 22:14 GMT
#2774
On July 15 2013 07:13 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:11 Hall0wed wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:10 stuchiu wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:08 SKC wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
When's the next smash coming out?

2014


Then that confuses the issue of if Melee comes back next year, or if they might try the new one.


Depends if Nintendo can actually learn and not make a shitty competitive game again like they did with Brawl.

Nintendo doesn't really give a shit about competitive gaming though.


nintendo almost didnt even give permission for this game to be streamed. shows u how much they really care about the community that supports their game


TBH the competitive community represents less than 1% of the people buying SSB
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
July 14 2013 22:14 GMT
#2775
On July 15 2013 07:13 Footler wrote:
That was so entertaining! What's the community site for SSBM? Does it have a TL.net equivalent? Watching Armada play Peach was so cool.

smashboards
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 14 2013 22:14 GMT
#2776
Thank you based god mango. I now believe in god.

Mangod 2013.
TranslatorBaa!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 14 2013 22:14 GMT
#2777
On July 15 2013 07:13 Footler wrote:
That was so entertaining! What's the community site for SSBM? Does it have a TL.net equivalent? Watching Armada play Peach was so cool.

www.smashboards.com

It's a pretty huge and active site
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
July 14 2013 22:14 GMT
#2778
On July 15 2013 07:13 Footler wrote:
That was so entertaining! What's the community site for SSBM? Does it have a TL.net equivalent? Watching Armada play Peach was so cool.

http://www.smashboards.com/
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
July 14 2013 22:15 GMT
#2779
On July 15 2013 07:13 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:12 Looms wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:11 lannisport wrote:
Man... Fighting games (And games like quake) are so much more exciting than sc2. Much faster pace, easier to follow hence more tension is built throughout the games.


both the games AND how much downtime is involved. the time between games can kill a lot of the hype.

I disagree, most fighting game tournaments have very little downtime whereas SC2 tournaments tend to have much more downtime(in between matches).

When we talk about in-game downtime it's absolutely no contest.


that is what I am saying :D
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 14 2013 22:15 GMT
#2780
On July 15 2013 07:13 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:11 Hall0wed wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:10 stuchiu wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:08 SKC wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
When's the next smash coming out?

2014


Then that confuses the issue of if Melee comes back next year, or if they might try the new one.


Depends if Nintendo can actually learn and not make a shitty competitive game again like they did with Brawl.

Nintendo doesn't really give a shit about competitive gaming though.


nintendo almost didnt even give permission for this game to be streamed. shows u how much they really care about the community that supports their game


Thy gave in like 4 hours later. It seems like it was a knee jerk reaction to not stream it, but better heads prevailed.
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