WoW vanilla brainstorm - Page 13

On June 26 2013 20:00 Jibba wrote:

The only real worthwhile AP build imo was AP/Shatter because you were getting 2k+ frostbolts with like 70% crit but even then it was just for taking on 1 or 2 people and not particularly resilient without Iceblock (although it was actually fantastic for Ragnaros.) 30/21 PoM builds were really the way to go for PvP.

On June 25 2013 00:53 Figgy wrote:


Someone hasn't played 5s 2400+, where half the games someone dies in the first 20 seconds of the fight.

Although 2v2 has become really ridiculous, it's spend 15 minutes not being able to out damage/cc the healing until one team gets bored and makes a massive mistake.

I really miss the old 2v2 days where resilience wasn't as stupid.

On July 04 2013 05:12 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:


you mean when random procs and illidan/sunwell gear decided the outcome arena? (sword,mace procs,wf etc etc)

lets be realistic here. wow arena always was a huge clusterfuck.

On July 04 2013 03:37 DnameIN wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I miss those times;) I was priest back then, there was no room for error and you landed OOM soon after start of the fight. If you knew "stuff", you could go OOM in the middle of encounter, rest of the time you had to be creative to actually be usefull.

On July 07 2013 15:42 Rabiator wrote:

The thing is that you dont get excited when there is no danger or when you are not "living on the edge" ... and having the risk of going OOM and having to be smart enough to manage it was part of the charm. With better gear it eventually became too easy and thus boring. That is one of the charms of vanilla and the teamwork of donating an Innervate to another caster in need was what made it cool. Eventually they "generalized" classes and made them self-sufficient and "inter-exchangeable" and that was terrible for the style of the game.

Another thing which annoyed me about the whole concept of WoW expansions is the jumps in the gear. You got to level 60, raided a lot with your friends and got purples, but once you hit 61 in the next expansion EVERYTHING became totally worthless because the random greens were twice as good as raid purples. Kinda made raiding pointless except for the experience of seeing it. Maybe they should have used a different concept of "upgrade tokens" for raid loot so you kinda have to start somewhere and then add a spoonful of plusses where you need / want. The same "gear stat explosion" happened in other games as well, because I stopped playing Everquest with about 1500 hp, but a few years later the same type of caster would have 10k+ hp easily. In EQ I had totally nonmagical but cuddly soft lion skin boots until level 53 or so and wasnt too shabby as an enchanter ... The Gear progression curve somewhat ruins these games because people dont see the consequence of "more more more" and the developers think they make their customers happy by giving them A LOT more more more next time around ... a sad trend I see for Starcraft 2 as well.

On July 07 2013 16:12 Cold Warpgates wrote:


If they didn't make the previous' expansion's gear obsolete when a new one came out, you would have to go through all of the old raids just to get the new expansion's content. That's like, probably close to 30 raids now? I don't think that would be fun.

On July 07 2013 18:00 Rabiator wrote:

Not really ... if they made the expansion content - the regular "kill 10 Orcs" junk - just a little bit tougher. They didnt do that and introduced a "jump" and a progressively steeper increase of numbers (i.e. damage dealt, healing, armor, hit points, ...) which required that the NPCs follow a similar progression. That is a terrible concept. As long as the leveling is not terribly boring there is no problem with players being a little bit undergeared if they didnt do all the raids.

Oh and one question: What is so terrible about content being HARD to go through?

A challenge is always good, but todays kids want to rush towards the end game and forget to enjoy the leveling (because WoW trained them to behave like that). Kids just want to get to the end and have the biggest d... around which they can then show off and brag about. That is why PvP is so popular, but WoW has a "category" called MMORPG and nowhere is there a "P" in it for the "PvP part, but there is an "RP" in it for "roleplaying" ... which mean "having fun with friends".

Btw ... you have to start raiding with regular gear, so a slow progression of gear would work easily and there is only one reason for the jump: they are catering to the powerlevling, lazy and whining kiddies who want to rush to the end instead of enjoying the way they get there as well. Generally you have enough time between the release of an expansion and the next for most of the population of a server to get at least some higher level dungeon or raid gear. That should be enough for a slow progression and green gear in "the next expansion" usually is MUCH better than raid gear ... which is bad.

On July 08 2013 02:05 hzflank wrote:
I think you are under-rating how good naxx gear was. Apart from having much lower stamina than TBC gear, it held it's own throughout the levelling process and into level 70 dungeons. I remember many people who still had more than half of their slots filled with naxx items until they replaced them with Kara items.

On July 07 2013 15:42 Rabiator wrote:

The thing is that you dont get excited when there is no danger or when you are not "living on the edge" ... and having the risk of going OOM and having to be smart enough to manage it was part of the charm. With better gear it eventually became too easy and thus boring. That is one of the charms of vanilla and the teamwork of donating an Innervate to another caster in need was what made it cool. Eventually they "generalized" classes and made them self-sufficient and "inter-exchangeable" and that was terrible for the style of the game.

Another thing which annoyed me about the whole concept of WoW expansions is the jumps in the gear. You got to level 60, raided a lot with your friends and got purples, but once you hit 61 in the next expansion EVERYTHING became totally worthless because the random greens were twice as good as raid purples. Kinda made raiding pointless except for the experience of seeing it. Maybe they should have used a different concept of "upgrade tokens" for raid loot so you kinda have to start somewhere and then add a spoonful of plusses where you need / want. The same "gear stat explosion" happened in other games as well, because I stopped playing Everquest with about 1500 hp, but a few years later the same type of caster would have 10k+ hp easily. In EQ I had totally nonmagical but cuddly soft lion skin boots until level 53 or so and wasnt too shabby as an enchanter ... The Gear progression curve somewhat ruins these games because people dont see the consequence of "more more more" and the developers think they make their customers happy by giving them A LOT more more more next time around ... a sad trend I see for Starcraft 2 as well.

On July 07 2013 18:00 Rabiator wrote:

Not really ... if they made the expansion content - the regular "kill 10 Orcs" junk - just a little bit tougher. They didnt do that and introduced a "jump" and a progressively steeper increase of numbers (i.e. damage dealt, healing, armor, hit points, ...) which required that the NPCs follow a similar progression. That is a terrible concept. As long as the leveling is not terribly boring there is no problem with players being a little bit undergeared if they didnt do all the raids.

Oh and one question: What is so terrible about content being HARD to go through?

A challenge is always good, but todays kids want to rush towards the end game and forget to enjoy the leveling (because WoW trained them to behave like that). Kids just want to get to the end and have the biggest d... around which they can then show off and brag about. That is why PvP is so popular, but WoW has a "category" called MMORPG and nowhere is there a "P" in it for the "PvP part, but there is an "RP" in it for "roleplaying" ... which mean "having fun with friends".

Btw ... you have to start raiding with regular gear, so a slow progression of gear would work easily and there is only one reason for the jump: they are catering to the powerlevling, lazy and whining kiddies who want to rush to the end instead of enjoying the way they get there as well. Generally you have enough time between the release of an expansion and the next for most of the population of a server to get at least some higher level dungeon or raid gear. That should be enough for a slow progression and green gear in "the next expansion" usually is MUCH better than raid gear ... which is bad.

On July 16 2013 20:07 DnameIN wrote:
So, thanks to this topic, I couldn't resist, and, for a first time tried WoW on private serwer. Since WotLK I was missing vanillia times, so Emerald Dream serwer with 1x ratio was looking perfectly.

Looks like my old addiction is coming back I guess;P Before launching the client I had no idea how much fun I will have playing WoW again. Seriously, I was expecting to play few hours, realise that old times will never come back and dump the client deep into the recycled bin. But I didn't...

Instead, I was enjoyng hard gameplay. I mean, seriously, my mind was almost blown away seeing how easy WoW is now compared to vanilia. Another dangerous moment for my mind was in Deadmines, where I witnesed two mages using polymorph.

And server is full of life. To be honest, last time I was playing official WoW, I had bigger feeling of being alone in empty world. This is not issue here. Main chat is filled with players spamming old good LFG/LFM's for all instances. Can't wait to fight through them all again;) Damn it, Scholo, BRD, Strat... Tier 0 sets... My God, I am doomed;P

As for Emerald Dream server, there are not significant bugs. Actually, I have a feeling that real vanillia had more issues.

Ps: https://www.emeralddream.com/