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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 13:42:33
June 24 2013 13:42 GMT
#221
60 PvP was atrocious lol, what are you guys talking about? Warrs were unstoppable, and my 2h Enh with Draconic Maul was able to kill pretty much any caster in one windfury proc.

So many rose-colored glasses in this thread. I'd maybe play TBC or WotLK again though.
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 13:53:02
June 24 2013 13:43 GMT
#222
Is there a group for TBC private server? I prefer TBC over vanilla, to be honest.

But if there's a big enough group on a vanilla server, I'll give it a whirl.
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Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
June 24 2013 13:57 GMT
#223
On June 24 2013 22:43 jpak wrote:
Is there a group for TBC private server? I prefer TBC over vanilla, to be honest.

But if there's a big enough group on a vanilla server, I'll give it a whirl.


I think you should start playing alliance on Kazzak. I miss your voice <3
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
June 24 2013 14:04 GMT
#224
And to answer your question:
https://www.wow-one.com/

Archangel 2.4.3

Burning Crusade Realm

Highrate 14x leveling | Blizzlike raiding | Tier 5 Progression | Season 2 Arena
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 15:30:43
June 24 2013 15:29 GMT
#225
On June 24 2013 23:04 Arnstein wrote:
And to answer your question:
https://www.wow-one.com/

Archangel 2.4.3

Burning Crusade Realm

Highrate 14x leveling | Blizzlike raiding | Tier 5 Progression | Season 2 Arena

I have 3 chars on this server (one geared ally rogue, one geared horde rogue, and one badly geared ally war). By geared I mean pvp geared, with some pve geared mixed in, because you have to in TBC.

I'm playing on a french vanilla server atm, but there is not much to do other than raid the evenings, and those are pretty dead atm because of the summer holydays and stuff, and vanilla PvP is pretty terrible imo, and grindy. So if enough TL people want to play on Archangel, im down for it (well after I finish my exams in 4days).
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 24 2013 15:31 GMT
#226
On June 24 2013 23:04 Arnstein wrote:
And to answer your question:
https://www.wow-one.com/

Archangel 2.4.3

Burning Crusade Realm

Highrate 14x leveling | Blizzlike raiding | Tier 5 Progression | Season 2 Arena

Is there alot of people playing?
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Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 15:55:14
June 24 2013 15:53 GMT
#227
On June 08 2013 23:52 Jibba wrote:
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On June 08 2013 23:47 Redox wrote:
On June 08 2013 23:31 Jibba wrote:
I think PvP was actually less about zerging. It was much more possible to win 1v2/3 fights than it is today.

Yeah because people were horribad. I was also one of those doing open pvp, taking out several people alone while they were going to their raids, farming in silithus or whatever. I thought I was one of best PvPers around until arenas came about and I found out that I was actually quite bad. :D

Well, and crowd control was much stronger and there was true burst damage. Burst damage doesn't really exist anymore, unless it's from a team.


Someone hasn't played 5s 2400+, where half the games someone dies in the first 20 seconds of the fight.

Although 2v2 has become really ridiculous, it's spend 15 minutes not being able to out damage/cc the healing until one team gets bored and makes a massive mistake.

I really miss the old 2v2 days where resilience wasn't as stupid.
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 16:06:08
June 24 2013 16:03 GMT
#228
On June 25 2013 00:31 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 23:04 Arnstein wrote:
And to answer your question:
https://www.wow-one.com/

Archangel 2.4.3

Burning Crusade Realm

Highrate 14x leveling | Blizzlike raiding | Tier 5 Progression | Season 2 Arena

Is there alot of people playing?

Yes, almost too much some evenings.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
June 24 2013 16:05 GMT
#229
On June 25 2013 00:53 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 23:52 Jibba wrote:
On June 08 2013 23:47 Redox wrote:
On June 08 2013 23:31 Jibba wrote:
I think PvP was actually less about zerging. It was much more possible to win 1v2/3 fights than it is today.

Yeah because people were horribad. I was also one of those doing open pvp, taking out several people alone while they were going to their raids, farming in silithus or whatever. I thought I was one of best PvPers around until arenas came about and I found out that I was actually quite bad. :D

Well, and crowd control was much stronger and there was true burst damage. Burst damage doesn't really exist anymore, unless it's from a team.


Someone hasn't played 5s 2400+, where half the games someone dies in the first 20 seconds of the fight.

Although 2v2 has become really ridiculous, it's spend 15 minutes not being able to out damage/cc the healing until one team gets bored and makes a massive mistake.

I really miss the old 2v2 days where resilience wasn't as stupid.

Wait you mean TBC? Did you forget the 1hour+ matches of druid/x vs druid/x?
I generally play double dps in 2s for a reason.
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 16:40:38
June 24 2013 16:32 GMT
#230
On June 13 2013 05:48 Crownlol wrote:
Vanilla was not as good as it is through rose-tinted goggles. At least from a PvP standpoint, BC/Wrath were infinitely better. Some people preferred BC arena, but Wrath had much better class representation.


How can you say Wrath had better representation? Which classes were underrepresented in BC? The only case I could see someone making is hunters, and they still were decently represented in draincomps like CLC.

On June 13 2013 13:49 Jibba wrote:
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On June 13 2013 01:16 Masq wrote:
Vanilla raiding was infinitely more fun than raiding in more recent expansions. While the content wasn't especially difficult, the fun and challenge was doing it with other people and figuring out most of the content yourself. Now with things like LFR and so much PTR testing, most of the encounters are solved with guides/videos before things even hit live servers.

We had Clockwork (now the famous Android dev) programming our RDX on the fly and live updating each of our clients with new timings/instructions. We also spent like 2 hours practicing rotations before 4HM. Not actually doing the 4HM fight, just practicing running around in the room before it and making sure people were rotating. >.>

Although we did cheat off Nihilum's KT video to learn it a lot faster.


When we were doing Patchwerk one of our shadowpriests coded some mods for us that literally calculated incoming spike damage from hateful strikes, and evenly distributed the heals amongst all our healers so that there was very minimal overhealing (the mod synced in real time with other healers using the mod). It ranked up/down based upon missing HP, all off 1 button (some of our healers just mashed spacebar the entire fight).

We had a similar mod for shackling on Kel'thuzad.

On June 14 2013 00:42 Jibba wrote:
WSG was fun but much too turtle-y against evenly matched teams, plus gear played such a huge role. We used to run group WSG's in our Sapph gear just to piss off all the frost mages. Our MT was essentially unkillable by anyone in HWL gear.

I thought AB was the most balanced of any of the PvP options and I think it would've been Blizzard's best opportunity to make an ESPORT out of WoW.


I loved WSG the most. AB was actually very imbalanced for Horde, and still is. Until they fix the Farm/Smith/Lumbermill locations horde should always win that map easily.

I remember double trinket TOEP + ZHC or whatever with berserking on AP/Pyro mages or Destro SB->Seduce->SB combos was insane.
omisa
Profile Joined January 2011
United States494 Posts
June 24 2013 19:24 GMT
#231
On June 24 2013 16:51 Teodice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 16:28 omisa wrote:
On June 24 2013 00:05 Teodice wrote:
Go for this private server instead if you wanna play WoW Vanilla.

Link: https://www.emeralddream.com/ (Hosted by Feenix and WoWOne)

Best Vanilla server Ive seen in quite a while. Good economy, always more than 1500 players online, stabile economy!

I just fell in love. PM if you want to create something in game!


Ive been on ED for about two weeks now, leveling with a friend. Its my first experience on a private server but Ive had a blast so far. Barrens chat is very active and there is always an infernal at xroads (lol)

I just hit 25 on my priest, and if anyone on horde needs priest heals, hit me up.


Hey,

Whats your ingame tag? Would be fun to have some people to chat around with . Going to start playing quite a bit as soon as my final exam are done this week!

Come join us! As stated earlier, the server is pretty damn awesome!


My char is Ipa.

Im usually on everyday. Anyone feel free to add me.
\m/
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
June 24 2013 21:47 GMT
#232
On June 24 2013 19:02 Wintex wrote:
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On June 22 2013 15:49 Zooper31 wrote:
On June 22 2013 15:30 Jibba wrote:
Reroll on a PvP server.


I don't even wanna think about the grind that was needed to lvl 1-60. I remember I had the entire 1-60 horde lvling guide printed out and on my desk just to lvl people fastest way possible. It was by that troll hunter but I don't remember the name gdi. It was like a tiny novel on my desk with the amounts of pages that was needed...

Joana's/Mancow's Horde Leveling guide!


Yes Joana! I couldn't think of anything other than Janna and I knew that was wrong.
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
June 26 2013 10:54 GMT
#233
Made a character on the archangel server yesterday. If you want to add me, my tauren warrior's name is mastarcyon.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 11:23:12
June 26 2013 11:00 GMT
#234
On June 25 2013 00:53 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 23:52 Jibba wrote:
On June 08 2013 23:47 Redox wrote:
On June 08 2013 23:31 Jibba wrote:
I think PvP was actually less about zerging. It was much more possible to win 1v2/3 fights than it is today.

Yeah because people were horribad. I was also one of those doing open pvp, taking out several people alone while they were going to their raids, farming in silithus or whatever. I thought I was one of best PvPers around until arenas came about and I found out that I was actually quite bad. :D

Well, and crowd control was much stronger and there was true burst damage. Burst damage doesn't really exist anymore, unless it's from a team.


Someone hasn't played 5s 2400+, where half the games someone dies in the first 20 seconds of the fight.

Although 2v2 has become really ridiculous, it's spend 15 minutes not being able to out damage/cc the healing until one team gets bored and makes a massive mistake.

I really miss the old 2v2 days where resilience wasn't as stupid.

I remember 2345 well, but I don't really count that because you can instakill anyone with enough players. I'm talking about a mage/hunter safely dropping someone in a second, which unfairly allowed you to take on 1v2s against good players.

AP/Pyro was pretty terrible. Not at all worth giving up Firepower and Blastwave. Plus the damage increase of pyro over fireball wasn't worth 6 talent points over Impact, since Fire was about speed in PvP and you really didn't have many opportunities to use fireball outside of the sheep or PoM - it was mostly scorch and fireblast. AV is the one exception, but that was more target practice for hunters/mages than actual PvP, since it was so unfair for everyone else to take 3k crits blindly through a stupid mountain.

The only real worthwhile AP build imo was AP/Shatter because you were getting 2k+ frostbolts with like 70% crit but even then it was just for taking on 1 or 2 people and not particularly resilient without Iceblock (although it was actually fantastic for Ragnaros.) 30/21 PoM builds were really the way to go for PvP.
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Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1507 Posts
June 26 2013 11:44 GMT
#235
If you want true pvp you should just play on www.arena-tournament.com. Most good PvP Players and Gladiators play there... they have quite a big Prizepool every Season including Tournaments for WOTLK / BC and I think even Cataclysm now.

You start on max level, in the second best pvp gear. You can get the very best PvP gear in 1-2 days of BGs and then you get Arenapoints daily.

If anyone is interested in playing there you can PM me. I used to be Rank 1 on the WotLK server in every bracket as Deathknight.
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
June 27 2013 22:47 GMT
#236
Other than mildly annoying intermittent disconnects, I am having a blast on the archangel server so far.

The downside of 14x exp is that I don't have enough gold to train every skill as I level, though.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
June 27 2013 22:54 GMT
#237
On June 24 2013 22:42 Crownlol wrote:
60 PvP was atrocious lol, what are you guys talking about? Warrs were unstoppable, and my 2h Enh with Draconic Maul was able to kill pretty much any caster in one windfury proc.

So many rose-colored glasses in this thread. I'd maybe play TBC or WotLK again though.

Yes warrs were crazy, but that's only because nobody even knew what kiting meant, and those that did sucked at it. It was really a different time when nobody knew how to play.

If you were good enough with a mage you could kill any warrior no matter the gear difference as long as you had enough pots for mana lol.
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Knighthawkbro
Profile Joined August 2011
United States183 Posts
July 01 2013 15:26 GMT
#238
On June 28 2013 07:47 jpak wrote:
Other than mildly annoying intermittent disconnects, I am having a blast on the archangel server so far.

The downside of 14x exp is that I don't have enough gold to train every skill as I level, though.


Or mounts

I was going to run lowbie instances to sell BoE's/Mats
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Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 19:54:36
July 01 2013 15:55 GMT
#239
I enjoyed my Druid A LOT during vanilla because being specced as a healer and still having the gear to tank as a bear was nice ... but you had to work for it and only very dedicated people actually made the effort.

I enjoyed my Druid in raids, because it was actually a challenge and beating the Clerics with the healing done while dumping all Innervates on Mages was awesome.

I enjoyed 40 man raids because there are more things to do ... and to go wrong where you could go "superman mode" and still beat it. The first encounter in Blackwing Lair had us almost wiping and a few combat rezzes and smart play turned the tide. Such "close calls" get that adrenaline flowing and make the game more interesting than the ez-mode and well rehearsed raids of todays dungeons.

I enjoyed the wild and open "Tarren Mill vs. Southshore" PvP battles, because people did it for the fun of it and not to gather X amounts of points to get a raid-equivalent item.

I enjoyed that you had to make an effort to do things instead of just joining a dungeon-/raid-finder queue and then going on into the dungeon with people you dont know and wont meet again ... ever.

I enjoyed long dungeons - like Blackrock Depths or Spire - which people didnt like, but which could be sneaked through by the skillful for some farming.

I enjoyed the mysteries of new stuff, because I hadnt seen them before.

I enjoyed distinct classes where only some classes had certain skills (like Innervate or cures) instead of giving them to most classes because of "PvP class balance" and to make required classes less of an issue.

I enjoyed dealing 20k extra damage from one Dragonbreath Chili (Bear form, multiple targets and a lot of swipe with the endless rage).

---

The above is NOT viewed through rose tinted glasses, I just like a game where you have to make an effort.

---

EDIT:
My old Everquest guild had a motto: "Doing more with less" and we were pretty good at raiding with fewer people than other guilds needed. That philosophy was really based upon skillful players who made an effort to be prepared and creative and it was still pretty useful during the vanilla days BECAUSE
- we only had limited curers for X in the raid
- we only had limited tanks available and filling a "simple tank spot" (one where no resists are needed and pure armor / hp is sufficient) with a bear with good armor equipment who could heal in other encounters was great ... same for being able to sneak and raid-ress in Molten Core for example to save time

In short vanilla was awesome because you HAD TO be creative due to sometimes limited resources and capabilities compared to now where every caster has his own mana regen ability and Innervate is available to every Druid too. It was more challenging and thus more fun, because you didnt have 20.000 ways to farm end gear outside of raids.
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Knighthawkbro
Profile Joined August 2011
United States183 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 13:42:38
July 03 2013 13:41 GMT
#240
On July 02 2013 00:55 Rabiator wrote:

In short vanilla was awesome because you HAD TO be creative due to sometimes limited resources and capabilities compared to now where every caster has his own mana regen ability and Innervate is available to every Druid too. It was more challenging and thus more fun, because you didnt have 20.000 ways to farm end gear outside of raids.


The most awe inspiring thing that I saw come out of Vanilla was when 40 priest took down Onyxia where so many others failed. It was with the best gear possible towards the end of Vanilla and a carefully calculated strategy but it was so cool. It made me want to make a priest.
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