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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On June 07 2013 23:51 Mania[K]al wrote: Cant wait to see all these people in the Sony thread relishing sonys breakthrough advances in....... oh yeah. even if the ps4 turns out to be nothing but a ps2 with better hardware it will be better then a system needs to be online every day. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On June 07 2013 23:10 Trumpstyle wrote: Jesus dude, way to go endorsing abusing websites with it shady business, do you endorse piracy too? I guess you do. It Ea who set the price, I did google only 4 of your abusing website with it shady unmoral business sites offer almost as low as EA. There are a gazillion Key shops all selling legimate Origin/Steam etc. Keys via their Websites/Ebay whatever , they're all shady because their pricing is lower than the outrageous amount the publishers want us to pay ? Somebody paid money to EA etc so what does this have to do with piracy . THose are legitimate keys that register . | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On June 07 2013 23:55 Batcha wrote: Amazing product. The only thing missing is the console version of starcraft 2, so that i may fully enjoy amoving my deathball during NFL breaks while i talk to my family on skype. And because microsoft thinks you're too fucking stupid to remember which channel ESPN is, they've created an innovative TV guide that will take you there! Seriously, this guy says he "only watches 3 or 4 channels" but he has trouble finding ESPN. It's called the Xbox One because Microsoft assumes One is your IQ. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On June 07 2013 23:55 Batcha wrote: Amazing product. The only thing missing is the console version of starcraft 2, so that i may fully enjoy amoving my deathball during NFL breaks while i talk to my family on skype. You could just play sc2 on your pc while having your tv on and use one of the gazillion of other products out there that lets you skype at the same time. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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Orangered
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On June 08 2013 00:06 Integra wrote: PS4 it is! Scewe XBox One. You should wait until everything is clarified for both consoles. Sony is just riding easy right now by doing absolutely nothing but letting Microsoft talk themselves into a hole. Sony have plenty of time to screw up as well. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
The fact that buying second hand games is going to be severely limited sucks though, even though we had it coming. Publishers aren't gaining anything from people who buy secondhand games, on the contrary. They've been lobbying against the second hand market for a while now. I do find it a bit hypocritical that PC gamers are complaining about always-online requirements and the inability to resell a bought game. Steam, starcraft 2, diablo 3 and many other games require you to either log in online every few days or require you to be online at all times, and ever since steam became popular it's been downright impossible to sell PC games on the second hand market, unless they're 10 years old. If the Xbone has this kind of DRM, you can be sure that the PS4 will have it as well. I'm actually a bit worried about the lack of communication by Sony. They probably want to ride the hate-wave a bit, but at the same time I feel like they're hiding something. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 07 2013 23:10 Trumpstyle wrote: Jesus dude, way to go endorsing abusing websites with it shady business, do you endorse piracy too? I guess you do. It Ea who set the price, I did google only 4 of your abusing website with it shady unmoral business sites offer almost as low as EA. What makes them shady? BTW, I bought Bioshock Infinite, Crysis 3, and Farcry 3 Blood dragon for $25 on ebay. PC games have a number of sources to purchase, therefore prices are more competitive. Also, PC games in general are already $10 cheaper than console games at retail price. To those arguing that prices will go down because they cant resell, explain your argument. Console games cost $60 rather than $50 because they have complete control over the distribution. They control the competition. Also, what if you decide to sell the console 3 years down the road? All of the games that you bought are paper weights. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 08 2013 00:57 maartendq wrote: I don't see the issue with having to be online every 24 hours. In all honesty, I can't imagine a gamer anno 2013 who does not have an internet connection. People who don't have internet connections are generally people who lack the money to buy expensive luxury products like consoles or gaming PCs anyway. The fact that buying second hand games is going to be severely limited sucks though, even though we had it coming. Publishers aren't gaining anything from people who buy secondhand games, on the contrary. They've been lobbying against the second hand market for a while now. I do find it a bit hypocritical that PC gamers are complaining about always-online requirements and the inability to resell a bought game. Steam, starcraft 2, diablo 3 and many other games require you to either log in online every few days or require you to be online at all times, and ever since steam became popular it's been downright impossible to sell PC games on the second hand market, unless they're 10 years old. If the Xbone has this kind of DRM, you can be sure that the PS4 will have it as well. I'm actually a bit worried about the lack of communication by Sony. They probably want to ride the hate-wave a bit, but at the same time I feel like they're hiding something. I am pretty much in agreement with most of this. I don't really mind the always online or the DRM issues. I use steam all the time and it works great. If anything, Microsoft is giving the publishers tools to protect their games from the used market. Microsoft doesn't care if we sell and buy used games, it is the publishers that have been pushing for this. And with the number of them closing even after makings pretty good games, I can see why. Hell, Square said that Tomb Raider did not meet expectations when it sold 3 million copies in the first 2 weeks. Its is clear that the risks have become super high in the market a single poor game can sink a publisher. Thats not health. I like games and would like people to continue to make them, so I can deal with a little DRM. Also, they are showing some services that I am pumped about. Day and date digital releases, fully installed games with no disk, letter people borrow games at the account level. Access to my games on all Xboxs with my profile. Skype, blue ray and a good DVR(mine is trash). All of this stuff sounds great. The DRM is an issue, but its been coming for a while. | ||
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
Most of these are non-issues for PC gamers. It's all purchased online, played online or while being online. It's like a PC without a piracy option. I'll buy it if it comes with an SSD. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 08 2013 01:21 Go0g3n wrote: IMO, the biggest issue is not the DRM or used games, but poor people. If one can freely blow $500 (or whatever it costs) on a console, he won't have any problems connecting the thing to the internet once a day or with inability to trade in games. Most of these are non-issues for PC gamers. It's all purchased online, played online or while being online. You realize much of the midwest in the US has shitty internet/no internet because there arent enough people that live out there for ISP's to justify putting cable out there. Right? Also, what about armed forces stationed abroad? EDIT: BTW, 20% of Americans dont have access to internet at all (and 9% only have access through places outside of their home): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/internet-access-american-households_n_2049123.html EDIT2: Further, only 33% of the world has internet access http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On June 08 2013 00:57 maartendq wrote: I don't see the issue with having to be online every 24 hours. In all honesty, I can't imagine a gamer anno 2013 who does not have an internet connection. People who don't have internet connections are generally people who lack the money to buy expensive luxury products like consoles or gaming PCs anyway. The fact that buying second hand games is going to be severely limited sucks though, even though we had it coming. Publishers aren't gaining anything from people who buy secondhand games, on the contrary. They've been lobbying against the second hand market for a while now. I do find it a bit hypocritical that PC gamers are complaining about always-online requirements and the inability to resell a bought game. Steam, starcraft 2, diablo 3 and many other games require you to either log in online every few days or require you to be online at all times, and ever since steam became popular it's been downright impossible to sell PC games on the second hand market, unless they're 10 years old. If the Xbone has this kind of DRM, you can be sure that the PS4 will have it as well. I'm actually a bit worried about the lack of communication by Sony. They probably want to ride the hate-wave a bit, but at the same time I feel like they're hiding something. What exactly Sony's DRM stuff will be is not entirely clear but it's been confirmed the Console ittself will work without the requirement to ever be online. Now what the publishers will require for their products to work thats a different story. | ||
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Blacktion
United Kingdom1148 Posts
On June 08 2013 00:57 maartendq wrote: I don't see the issue with having to be online every 24 hours. In all honesty, I can't imagine a gamer anno 2013 who does not have an internet connection. People who don't have internet connections are generally people who lack the money to buy expensive luxury products like consoles or gaming PCs anyway. The fact that buying second hand games is going to be severely limited sucks though, even though we had it coming. Publishers aren't gaining anything from people who buy secondhand games, on the contrary. They've been lobbying against the second hand market for a while now. I do find it a bit hypocritical that PC gamers are complaining about always-online requirements and the inability to resell a bought game. Steam, starcraft 2, diablo 3 and many other games require you to either log in online every few days or require you to be online at all times, and ever since steam became popular it's been downright impossible to sell PC games on the second hand market, unless they're 10 years old. If the Xbone has this kind of DRM, you can be sure that the PS4 will have it as well. I'm actually a bit worried about the lack of communication by Sony. They probably want to ride the hate-wave a bit, but at the same time I feel like they're hiding something. The issue is big companies creating restrictions that screw over the user just to save a few bucks on piracy, and it wont work anyway. Also im not sure where your getting that info from, but steams offline mode doesnt require you to go online at all, and i played WoL for about 2 weeks without connecting to the internet, never played D3 so cant comment on that. | ||
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
On June 08 2013 01:24 TheRabidDeer wrote: You realize much of the midwest in the US has shitty internet/no internet because there arent enough people that live out there for ISP's to justify putting cable out there. Right? Also, what about armed forces stationed abroad? Shitty internet will do. People without it, I assume, have mobile phones with 3G or GPRS, which can be turned into Wifi routers in like three "clicks", Xbox One can be connected via WiFi (If I read the specs right). Armed forces stationed abroad probably will have to do without ONE. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 08 2013 01:24 s3rp wrote: What exactly Sony's DRM stuff will be is not entirely clear but it's been confirmed the Console ittself will work without the requirement to ever be online. Now what the publishers will require for their products to work thats a different story. Sony is going to wait until Microsoft is done making their announcement about their policies. But have no doubt that both are going to be similar. I would bet that Sony is going to let the counsel work fine, but publishers are going to have the option to make their games linked to the counsel and limit their ability to be resold. Its going to be "yeah, we are doing something just like that, only we told you afterwords, so your less mad now". | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 08 2013 01:30 Go0g3n wrote: Shitty internet will do. People without it, I assume, have mobile phones with 3G or GPRS, which can be turned into Wifi routers by three clicks in Settings, Xbox One can be connected via WiFi (If I read the specs right). Armed forces stationed abroad probably will have to do without ONE. I edited my post to contain some hard numbers. Mobile internet is included in those numbers, so they dont have 3G either. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 08 2013 01:30 Go0g3n wrote: Shitty internet will do. People without it, I assume, have mobile phones with 3G or GPRS, which can be turnec into Wifi routers, Xbox One can be connected via WiFi (If I read the specs right). Armed forces stationed abroad probably will have to do without ONE. Microsoft has already said they have plans to make it possible for folks in the Armed forces to play games and not have to connect. It sounds like they are going to address problems the "always on" requirement as they come up. | ||
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SpiritAshura
United States1271 Posts
On June 08 2013 00:57 maartendq wrote: I don't see the issue with having to be online every 24 hours. In all honesty, I can't imagine a gamer anno 2013 who does not have an internet connection. People who don't have internet connections are generally people who lack the money to buy expensive luxury products like consoles or gaming PCs anyway. The fact that buying second hand games is going to be severely limited sucks though, even though we had it coming. Publishers aren't gaining anything from people who buy secondhand games, on the contrary. They've been lobbying against the second hand market for a while now. I do find it a bit hypocritical that PC gamers are complaining about always-online requirements and the inability to resell a bought game. Steam, starcraft 2, diablo 3 and many other games require you to either log in online every few days or require you to be online at all times, and ever since steam became popular it's been downright impossible to sell PC games on the second hand market, unless they're 10 years old. If the Xbone has this kind of DRM, you can be sure that the PS4 will have it as well. I'm actually a bit worried about the lack of communication by Sony. They probably want to ride the hate-wave a bit, but at the same time I feel like they're hiding something. Well this whole PRISM thing just adds fuel to the fire on this big brother kinect is watching you in your living room. This article just puts the nail in the coffin of EVER contemplating buying an xbox for me. Turns out the government can and will spy on you in your room. */end conspiracy theory* -.- http://gizmodo.com/what-is-prism-511875267 PS4...go! | ||
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