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On June 07 2013 18:37 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 18:16 FakeDeath wrote:On June 07 2013 17:12 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 07 2013 16:58 FakeDeath wrote:On June 07 2013 16:41 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 07 2013 15:21 Ajunta wrote:Well, apparently it's official: You will be able to give your Xbox One games to your friends, but only once and only to friends you've known for more than a month. (source1, source2)Xbox One requires online connection every 24 hours, at least. (source1, source2)/facepalm Sony, here I come. I've read through this list. I don't see how any of this is bad. The cloud-based game library and family features are great. What other system, apart from PC, is this forward-looking. On resale, it gives you more ways to offload used games than Steam, and that's not a good thing. Cutting out distributors by eliminating resale, just like with PC games is the right way to go, as reducing the slice of the pie that distributors get will likely reduce the final cost on the consumer. My only problem is that Microsoft hasn't done enough to drag these stuck-in-the-past console gamers into the future. Here's what Microsoft should have done: no disc. No disc drive. Then the message would be unmistakable: screw distributors, no you can't buy games from a physical store, no you can't resell games, yes internet connection is required. But, no, they're pussyfooting around this, trying to appease short-sighted console gamers who think that restricting resale hurts them (it helps them in the long run), and they're failing at it. Because these people are too short-sighted to see that Microsoft has taken at least a half-arsed move in the right direction. What do you mean this isn't bad? 1. Xbone requires a internet connection. If you don't check in within 24 hours, your system is essentially locked.
2. You can not borrow or rent games.
3. You CAN trade your games to friends but they must be on your friends list for 30 days and once you trade it, it gets tied to their account. You can only trade the game ONE time.
4. Publishers will have the ability to block you from selling/trading the game. Again, how is this bad? The same "restrictions", only more stringent, are in place with Steam. In fact, the likely result if they went the way of Valve, would be cutting the distributors out. As prices are determined by economic forces, the reduction in costs for developers should lead to reduce prices paid by the consumer. Of course it's bad. 1. Not everyone in the world has robust internet connection. Unable to play singleplayer games offline is so bad. 2. Unable to borrow games from your friends and unable to lend games to your friends. Is that good or bad? Obviously bad. 3. Trading the game one time with the criteria of having a friend that is on your list for 30 days is pretty nonsensical. 4. Publisher(especially EA and Activision) will now obviously put in-game fees for those who want to trade their used games. They have zero incentive to not do so. It's pretty shitty. Seriously, don't buy XBONE. Microsoft is so blatantly open with their greed that it is not even funny anymore. 1. You don't need a robust internet connection. You just need to log on the internet once every 24 hours. And you can play single player games offline. 2. Good. It reduces prices. 3. Only nonsensical in the sense that they didn't outright ban trading used games. 4. They should set those fees equal to the price of a new game, so that no one would ever buy a traded game, thereby lowering prices of games. Also, there's nothing wrong if it required always online (which it doesn't, it requires occasionally online). In that case, if you can't always be on the internet, you can buy a PS4 or a Wii U, or (if possible) you can buy better internet. There are advantages of always online: -Having one unified community (compare everyone playing SC2 using B.net, with SC1 where some played via pirate servers, some played via LAN, some played via Hamachi, some played single player, some played on B,net, etc.). -Achievements -Being easily able to chat with other people, quicker updates. -More data about play patterns helps developers design games (many changes in WoW are based on data, e.g. when to nerf raid bosses can sometimes depend on success rates). -Access to game library anywhere with internet and automatically with synchronized saves. -And in the future, some of the calculations needed for games or to render graphics can be shifted from the computer/console onto a supercomputer on the cloud.
Haha, you think they will lower the prices of their games, hilarious !
They just won't, even if piracy disappeared instantly, nobody would lower their price, or they would lower them for 0.5 % for marketing purposes ( I hope you see the comparison ). BTW this is my opinion, just like it is yours that they will lower their prices so both arguments nullify here, if you follow me !
Not being able to share your games with friends means one thing: they don't entirely belong to you, just like songs on itunes that go back to apple when you die ( Bruce Willis wanted to sue Apple for this, don't mess with Bruce Willis ). If I buy a TV, it belongs to me, i can give it to a hobo, destroy it, sell it to a friend, because it is mine, because I paid for it, but we live in a consumption society where you have to consume as much as possible, and they found a new way for it ( Blizzard is doing the same thing and it's bad from them too).
And how could you think not being able to play without internet is a good thing ? In Starcraft 2 everybody wanted LAN and still wants it, it is not an advantage at all, having the choice = good, not having the choice = not good, obviously.
Now just imagine that you go fucking skiing with your best friend, you rent an apartment for 1 week in Austria, Canada or I don't know, and you want to play there, if there is no internet there you can just play cards for 1 week ( well admittedly you can go skiing, but who does that ??? )
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On June 07 2013 19:52 Trumpstyle wrote:
Guys right now you can buy mass effect 3 for 10 dollar roughly on origin, the game is 1 year old. If EA lower prices I'm sure Microsoft will too. I also think publishers do have big say what their game should cost.
Do you know that i can buy Mass Effect 3 Keys for cheaper or the the very least the same price anyway without buying from EA ? Hell i bought a ME3 Key when the game was brand new for 15€ . Why do you think the prices drop this fast from official Stores ? Because nobody would buy from official sources if they didn't .
Just google buy Mass Effect 3 Key and look at the prices .
And without those third party seller there's no way in hell prices for console games will ever go down this far. You go and buy say Dead Space 1 right now for consoles new prices will be around 20~ . For PC ? I bet i can find you one for 5 bucks and every few months there's a saler where its like 2-3 bucks.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
I wish horrible fortunes on Microsoft for deciding to exploit their established customer base instead of taking console gaming to the next level. I'm a PC gamer through and through, but if I do decide to try out consoles, it certainly wont be this spybox shit.
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I won't buy an Xbox One.
Until Halo 2 Anniversary is released.
I think it sucks what they are doing but nothing will keep me away from H2 online unless they really screw the game up somehow.
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On June 07 2013 20:50 Hall0wed wrote:
I won't buy an Xbox One.
Until Halo 2 Anniversary is released.
I think it sucks what they are doing but nothing will keep me away from H2 online unless they really screw the game up somehow.
Your intelligence impress me.
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Microsoft is shooting their foot. What a clusterfuck.
Hope Sony don't take the same route.
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Why is it called xbox one?
Because they took 359 steps back.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
On June 07 2013 21:13 Fwizzz wrote:
Microsoft is shooting their foot. What a clusterfuck.
Hope Sony don't take the same route.
After all the negative feedback M$ has been receiving, I doubt they'll go down a similar route. Then again, I never underestimate a corporation's ability to act stupid, especially when it comes to money.
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They should call it VCR 1, man that thing is ugly as hell.
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The only thing Sony has to do now is not fuck up... tough I fear, now that Xbox is in such bad daylight they might try to squeeze something anti consumer in their console, just because they can now, and people would still favor PS4.
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On June 07 2013 20:18 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 19:52 Trumpstyle wrote:
Guys right now you can buy mass effect 3 for 10 dollar roughly on origin, the game is 1 year old. If EA lower prices I'm sure Microsoft will too. I also think publishers do have big say what their game should cost. Do you know that i can buy Mass Effect 3 Keys for cheaper or the the very least the same price anyway without buying from EA ? Hell i bought a ME3 Key when the game was brand new for 15€ . Why do you think the prices drop this fast from official Stores ? Because nobody would buy from official sources if they didn't . Just google buy Mass Effect 3 Key and look at the prices . And without those third party seller there's no way in hell prices for console games will ever go down this far. You go and buy say Dead Space 1 right now for consoles new prices will be around 20~ . For PC ? I bet i can find you one for 5 bucks and every few months there's a saler where its like 2-3 bucks.
Jesus dude, way to go endorsing abusing websites with it shady business, do you endorse piracy too? I guess you do.
It Ea who set the price, I did google only 4 of your abusing website with it shady unmoral business sites offer almost as low as EA.
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On June 07 2013 21:34 vidium wrote:
They should call it VCR 1, man that thing is ugly as hell.
you buy consoles for looks? lol
could be a square box for all I care as long as it play games
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On June 07 2013 23:13 MoneyHypeMike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 21:34 vidium wrote:
They should call it VCR 1, man that thing is ugly as hell. you buy consoles for looks? lol could be a square box for all I care as long as it play games
A lot more matters than if it can play games if I have to pay $500+ for it.
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On June 07 2013 20:50 Hall0wed wrote:
I won't buy an Xbox One.
Until Halo 2 Anniversary is released.
I think it sucks what they are doing but nothing will keep me away from H2 online unless they really screw the game up somehow.
They already did screw up the game. They made it a TV show.
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I will never buy this awful system and I think the people that do buy it deserve what they get.
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This is just silly. I was a gigantic fan of the Xbox 360 outside of its obvious shortcomings when compared to PC gaming, but this feels like a giant step back. Having to check in every 24 hours to play an offline game is just the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I miss the days when you bought a console, bought a game, then played it. Now it's "you need an internet connection, but if you don't check in every 24 hours.. well you can watch TV on your Xbox? Yay?"
Fuck off. If I buy an Xbox One it's to play games, not to watch shows.
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I just spent $1500 building a new computer, why would I want to purchase a dumbed down version of a computer? Regardless of any anti-consumer policies and DRM, I still don't care about it just because it's a console.
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Cant wait to see all these people in the Sony thread relishing sonys breakthrough advances in....... oh yeah.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina72 Posts
Amazing product.
The only thing missing is the console version of starcraft 2, so that i may fully enjoy amoving my deathball during NFL breaks while i talk to my family on skype.
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On June 07 2013 23:46 Butterednuts wrote:
I just spent $1500 building a new computer, why would I want to purchase a dumbed down version of a computer? Regardless of any anti-consumer policies and DRM, I still don't care about it just because it's a console.
True enough. The only real reason for a PC gamer to own a console is for the exclusives, of which MS has none that interest me so I wouldn't get it even if it didn't come with all the absurd anti-consumer "features". It's going to be one hell of a train wreck when this thing officially launches. I'm looking forward to seeing all the lawsuits the kinect conjures up.
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