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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 23:05:02
May 21 2013 23:03 GMT
#1061
second hand game is still limited even today if that game has online feature. once registered, it can't be used again unless the online feature is bought again separately (hence becoming same price as new game if not more). i had this problem with two used game for ps3, never bought used game afterwards.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
May 21 2013 23:03 GMT
#1062
Now there are reports that the you can play the game second hand without a fee and that " This suggests that the purported fee is really just a game sale that you could happen to attain through a friend's disc, but you could just as well borrow a game without purchasing indefinite access to it. "

Which would be kind of strange , does that mean there will be a message popping up every few minutes reminding me to the game i use is second hand and if i want to get rid of the message i have to pay ?
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
May 21 2013 23:04 GMT
#1063
On May 22 2013 07:37 Reborn58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 06:43 Infernal_dream wrote:
On May 22 2013 06:31 Reborn58 wrote:
On May 22 2013 06:28 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 22 2013 06:26 Reborn58 wrote:
On May 22 2013 06:20 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 22 2013 06:15 Reborn58 wrote:
You would rather they didn't include all of that? Do you realize that the console market is MUCH larger than the PC gaming market...?

A common myth but incorrect. The PC gaming market is larger than the console market.


It actually is correct. There are more console users and the amount of money spent on boxed console games is far higher than boxed PC games.

On boxed games? Yes, console numbers are higher. Boxed games doesn't count...browser games, MMOs, Steam...

Revenue seems a rather more appropriate measuring stick, and PCs are higher.


Revenue is not an appropriate measuring stick, and neither are browser games. Otherwise we should include phone game sales into console sales? You really count someone who spends hundreds playing "farmville" a PC gamer? Come on.

The console market is bigger than the PC market. It's simply a fact. And they are SEPARATE markets, either way. So why compare them? Obviously you can do more with a computer - good job you figured out the most basic concept in gaming.


Revenue isn't an appropriate measuring stick? You're right, how much money people make is a terrible way of gauging a maerket. Not including browser games the PC market is much larger than the console market. You wanted to compare them so now people are countering your argument. Boxed PC games probably don't account for 20% of all PC game purchases. Let alone the amount of pirated games. Yes pirated games contribute to the market. Because a pirater is a potential buyer.


So apparently you responded without reading my post, because what my post is saying is "stop comparing the two, they are completely different".

But no, revenue is not a good measuring stick for the size of a market. My argument was that the console market appeals to a larger market (MORE PEOPLE), which is true. So how does revenue have anything to do with the number of end users? Revenue is skewed by a lot more factors than users.

EITHER WAY, my point still stands. They are different markets, with different goals. Why do people feel the need to compare PCs to consoles? The console aims to be good at what it does and offer additional functionality and a simplistic platform on which to use it - which Xbox One does. All the complaints seem to come from the fact that they give all of this functionality and people don't want it? Then DON'T USE IT. If you're mad because you didn't get to see more game action - then wait for E3 and you will get your chance.


Eh what? Aren't people allowed to judge a console based on it's features? That's one of the more stupid things I've read in this thread. Don't use it? What kind of justification is that? And please tell me how to NOT use the Kinect 2.0, I'd love to hear it (good luck with that)...

And god forbid people see an launch event of a console and expect to see what it's capable of in games. All I see from you apologist are "wait for E3." Why not talk about what we saw today first? This could have been avoided by Microsoft either having their entire launch at E3 or had a preview of what will be shown there. They delayed it better be able to "respond to Sony" and yet they failed to address any of the issues people bring up in the console wars. That have nothing to do with comparing consoles with PC's (which is pretty obvious why people do anyway but whatever).
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 23:06:03
May 21 2013 23:05 GMT
#1064
On May 22 2013 08:03 jinorazi wrote:
second hand game is still limited even today if that game has online feature. once registered, it can't be used again unless the online feature is bought again separately. i had this problem with two used game for ps3, never bought used game afterwards.


Depends on the developer . Not every console game with online feature uses those passes ( though alot of them do ) it's something the publishers/developers do themselves otherwise every game would have it.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
May 21 2013 23:05 GMT
#1065
On May 22 2013 07:59 Trumpstyle wrote:
Think Xbox will win this generation, it just has much bigger potential with live tv and kinect 2 which can be marketed to much bigger audience. Playstation 4 advantage is 30% more powerful gpu, don't think it will matter much at all.


yeah because who doesnt want your console to scan your living room all day long. dont even wanna know what kind of creepy abuses this might open up
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
May 21 2013 23:06 GMT
#1066
On May 22 2013 08:03 s3rp wrote:
Now there are reports that the you can play the game second hand without a fee and that " This suggests that the purported fee is really just a game sale that you could happen to attain through a friend's disc, but you could just as well borrow a game without purchasing indefinite access to it. "

Which would be kind of strange , does that mean there will be a message popping up every few minutes reminding me to the game i use is second hand and if i want to get rid of the message i have to pay ?

Not sure how you jumped to your strange conclusion of a popup? I guess they could do it like lending on Kindle. With a Kindle you can lend a book to someone else for a couple weeks. I don't know exactly how it works but something like that seems fine.
twitter: @terrancem
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
May 21 2013 23:11 GMT
#1067
On May 22 2013 08:05 Skilledblob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 07:59 Trumpstyle wrote:
Think Xbox will win this generation, it just has much bigger potential with live tv and kinect 2 which can be marketed to much bigger audience. Playstation 4 advantage is 30% more powerful gpu, don't think it will matter much at all.


yeah because who doesnt want your console to scan your living room all day long. dont even wanna know what kind of creepy abuses this might open up


Hrhr. You invite big brother in your own living room and even pay for it. Sweet. Orwell would be amused.
invisible tetris level master
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
May 21 2013 23:12 GMT
#1068
On May 22 2013 08:06 GogoKodo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 08:03 s3rp wrote:
Now there are reports that the you can play the game second hand without a fee and that " This suggests that the purported fee is really just a game sale that you could happen to attain through a friend's disc, but you could just as well borrow a game without purchasing indefinite access to it. "

Which would be kind of strange , does that mean there will be a message popping up every few minutes reminding me to the game i use is second hand and if i want to get rid of the message i have to pay ?

Not sure how you jumped to your strange conclusion of a popup? I guess they could do it like lending on Kindle. With a Kindle you can lend a book to someone else for a couple weeks. I don't know exactly how it works but something like that seems fine.


I don't think this seems fine considering how big the second hand market is for consoles. This is a big deal for alot of people.
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
May 21 2013 23:13 GMT
#1069
On May 22 2013 08:12 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 08:06 GogoKodo wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:03 s3rp wrote:
Now there are reports that the you can play the game second hand without a fee and that " This suggests that the purported fee is really just a game sale that you could happen to attain through a friend's disc, but you could just as well borrow a game without purchasing indefinite access to it. "

Which would be kind of strange , does that mean there will be a message popping up every few minutes reminding me to the game i use is second hand and if i want to get rid of the message i have to pay ?

Not sure how you jumped to your strange conclusion of a popup? I guess they could do it like lending on Kindle. With a Kindle you can lend a book to someone else for a couple weeks. I don't know exactly how it works but something like that seems fine.


I don't think this seems fine considering how big the second hand market is for consoles. This is a big deal for alot of people.

I'm more talking about just the lending games to friends scenario. Not sure how they'll be handling used game sales.
twitter: @terrancem
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 23:18:11
May 21 2013 23:17 GMT
#1070
wont it be better to focus on digital sales at a slightly lower price rather than cheaper (used) boxed games?
i'd assume it'll be same story regards to used games the way they already do it for ps3. (buy online pass)
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
May 21 2013 23:19 GMT
#1071
On May 22 2013 08:17 jinorazi wrote:
wont it be better to focus on digital sales at a slightly lower price rather than cheaper (used) boxed games?
i'd assume it'll be same story regards to used games the way they already do it for ps3. (buy online pass)


they would never sell 'lower priced games'. reminder this is the same market that pays 10 dollars for dlcs of already-released old maps
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
May 21 2013 23:24 GMT
#1072
On May 22 2013 08:17 jinorazi wrote:
wont it be better to focus on digital sales at a slightly lower price rather than cheaper (used) boxed games?
i'd assume it'll be same story regards to used games the way they already do it for ps3. (buy online pass)


The only way to digital prices to get lowered would be third party sellers which in is just not feasable for consoles. There's no way Sony or MS ever allow that. They want to keep the monopoly on digital sales within their platform.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
May 21 2013 23:25 GMT
#1073
On May 22 2013 08:19 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 08:17 jinorazi wrote:
wont it be better to focus on digital sales at a slightly lower price rather than cheaper (used) boxed games?
i'd assume it'll be same story regards to used games the way they already do it for ps3. (buy online pass)


they would never sell 'lower priced games'. reminder this is the same market that pays 10 dollars for dlcs of already-released old maps


i was making comparisons to older games that goes on digital sale on steam for example at a discounted rate, rather than selling a used boxed game. i'm saying (i assume) its better for developers to sell digital copies at a lower price rather than let a already sold game circulate further.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
SoulTakerz
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada353 Posts
May 22 2013 00:26 GMT
#1074
heh
Lee Jae fucking Dong Bitches
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
May 22 2013 00:37 GMT
#1075
On April 25 2013 17:45 Martijn wrote:
Come to think of it. With how prominent ddosing is becoming, with even banks becoming targets. Who in their right mind would require "always-online"? Whether you will get to play or not is at the mercy of any kid with an allowance of $20 to spend on ruining your experience.

The Dutch goverment DigiD system was down due to ddos yesterday and is down today as well. Meaning people can't use online government services. This can mean anything from not being able to file your taxes online to not being able to manage your monthly student loans. For some things, there isn't even an alternative. Managing your status as a student, how much money you'll loan that month, these can only be handled online.


Also, please don't repeat that retard Adam Orth's argument "Electricity goes out too";
ISPs have issues all the damn time, electrical companies rarely and they're monitored much more closely. Who here hasn't had issues with their ISP at some point or another?
The amount of electricity available in most houses isn't limited or has to be explicitly shared between roommates. IE; I've never been asked to unplug the fridge so someone can do laundry, whereas stopping a download is common.
I reset my modem at least a few times a month, I go without touching the breakers most years.
I don't have to worry that anyone that feels like fucking with me will ddos my electricity.

There. The end. Shitty analogy, shitty argument, shitty Adam Orth. Good luck finding a new job in this industry.

Its not even just if your internet goes out. What if Microsoft's servers have problems? You're stuck not playing your SINGLEPLAYER games. Factor in the fact that every time in the past an always-online game has been released, the servers never work at first, and you get absolute insanity. Every time some new AAA game is released, your Xbox will not work, even for other unrelated games, because Microsoft's servers will crash.
Who called in the fleet?
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
May 22 2013 00:40 GMT
#1076
Just watched the press conference....that was pretty bad lol. Didn't show gameplay, talked about TV and all U.S related stuff. But yay random exclusive FIFA content that no one will care about? CoD:Ghosts looked awful too, worse than BLOPS2 on high end PC.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
May 22 2013 00:47 GMT
#1077
On May 22 2013 08:25 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 08:19 a176 wrote:
On May 22 2013 08:17 jinorazi wrote:
wont it be better to focus on digital sales at a slightly lower price rather than cheaper (used) boxed games?
i'd assume it'll be same story regards to used games the way they already do it for ps3. (buy online pass)


they would never sell 'lower priced games'. reminder this is the same market that pays 10 dollars for dlcs of already-released old maps


i was making comparisons to older games that goes on digital sale on steam for example at a discounted rate, rather than selling a used boxed game. i'm saying (i assume) its better for developers to sell digital copies at a lower price rather than let a already sold game circulate further.


Steam does it because they do not have a monopoly, there is a ton of competition out there trying to sell those same exact games at low low prices. Even though most people want them activated on Steam. Sony and Microsoft would have their own monopolies in the digital sales area since they aren't about to open that market to legitimate competition. So what incentive is there to lower game prices? The way people did it with the 360 was just buying MS points on sale. Since they are going to straight currency though, they will be the ultimate gatekeepers on price.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
May 22 2013 00:47 GMT
#1078
On May 22 2013 08:19 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 08:17 jinorazi wrote:
wont it be better to focus on digital sales at a slightly lower price rather than cheaper (used) boxed games?
i'd assume it'll be same story regards to used games the way they already do it for ps3. (buy online pass)


they would never sell 'lower priced games'. reminder this is the same market that pays 10 dollars for dlcs of already-released old maps


And $10 DLCs released the day the game comes out...
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
May 22 2013 00:52 GMT
#1079
On May 22 2013 07:27 a176 wrote:
thought this was funny

[image loading]

I smiled when I looked at this . I feel like it won't be as big a flop as everyone is making it, though they missed the mark lol.
User was warned for too many mimes.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
May 22 2013 00:53 GMT
#1080
On May 22 2013 09:26 SoulTakerz wrote:
heh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw&feature=youtu.be


Pretty much.
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