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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
May 21 2013 22:28 GMT
#1041
On May 22 2013 07:27 a176 wrote:
thought this was funny

[image loading]

LOL haha, good spot.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 21 2013 22:30 GMT
#1042
From that stock graph, Microsoft is promoting the Xbox -One
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
May 21 2013 22:30 GMT
#1043
stocks are always volatile after big events like this, apple dropped like 5% during iphone 5 reveal.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
May 21 2013 22:32 GMT
#1044
internet explorer, integrated EA features, whats there to hate? not to mention bing search engine.

it should be called Xbox Awesomest cus it is.
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Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
May 21 2013 22:35 GMT
#1045
On May 22 2013 07:32 jinorazi wrote:
internet explorer, integrated EA features, whats there to hate? not to mention bing search engine.

it should be called Xbox Awesomest cus it is.


Sounds like a new smart phone app. =)
invisible tetris level master
Reborn58
Profile Joined August 2010
United States238 Posts
May 21 2013 22:37 GMT
#1046
On May 22 2013 06:43 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 06:31 Reborn58 wrote:
On May 22 2013 06:28 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 22 2013 06:26 Reborn58 wrote:
On May 22 2013 06:20 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 22 2013 06:15 Reborn58 wrote:
You would rather they didn't include all of that? Do you realize that the console market is MUCH larger than the PC gaming market...?

A common myth but incorrect. The PC gaming market is larger than the console market.


It actually is correct. There are more console users and the amount of money spent on boxed console games is far higher than boxed PC games.

On boxed games? Yes, console numbers are higher. Boxed games doesn't count...browser games, MMOs, Steam...

Revenue seems a rather more appropriate measuring stick, and PCs are higher.


Revenue is not an appropriate measuring stick, and neither are browser games. Otherwise we should include phone game sales into console sales? You really count someone who spends hundreds playing "farmville" a PC gamer? Come on.

The console market is bigger than the PC market. It's simply a fact. And they are SEPARATE markets, either way. So why compare them? Obviously you can do more with a computer - good job you figured out the most basic concept in gaming.


Revenue isn't an appropriate measuring stick? You're right, how much money people make is a terrible way of gauging a maerket. Not including browser games the PC market is much larger than the console market. You wanted to compare them so now people are countering your argument. Boxed PC games probably don't account for 20% of all PC game purchases. Let alone the amount of pirated games. Yes pirated games contribute to the market. Because a pirater is a potential buyer.


So apparently you responded without reading my post, because what my post is saying is "stop comparing the two, they are completely different".

But no, revenue is not a good measuring stick for the size of a market. My argument was that the console market appeals to a larger market (MORE PEOPLE), which is true. So how does revenue have anything to do with the number of end users? Revenue is skewed by a lot more factors than users.

EITHER WAY, my point still stands. They are different markets, with different goals. Why do people feel the need to compare PCs to consoles? The console aims to be good at what it does and offer additional functionality and a simplistic platform on which to use it - which Xbox One does. All the complaints seem to come from the fact that they give all of this functionality and people don't want it? Then DON'T USE IT. If you're mad because you didn't get to see more game action - then wait for E3 and you will get your chance.
That's what she said
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 22:42:58
May 21 2013 22:38 GMT
#1047
I'm wondering if Sony has to implement the same kind of method for dealing with second hand games. Do the publishers enforce this practice for the console developers now as well or is it something Microsoft did on their own ? Because if Sony doesn't do this they'd pretty much wrap up the gaming market with their console.

I accept not beeing able to sell/rent my game on PC because thanks to all the third party key sellers etc i can get brand new games pretty cheap . With the prices on console though not so much.

Also the new Xbox not working without the Camera running is kind of creepy .
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 21 2013 22:40 GMT
#1048
"Hey, can I borrow your new game to see if I want to buy it?"
"Sure."
"Oh wait, I have to pay money to actually play it? Fuck this."
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
May 21 2013 22:44 GMT
#1049
On May 22 2013 07:40 Fionn wrote:
"Hey, can I borrow your new game to see if I want to buy it?"
"Sure."
"Oh wait, I have to pay money to actually play it? Fuck this."


and in the next gen:

"I have to pay to make a new save file?!?"
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
May 21 2013 22:50 GMT
#1050
So the PS4 allows for second-hand games without a fee right?
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
May 21 2013 22:50 GMT
#1051
On May 22 2013 07:27 a176 wrote:
thought this was funny

[image loading]


It may not be the only factor tho. Sony announced they are splitting their tech divisions today too, so it might even be the bigger factor.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10141 Posts
May 21 2013 22:51 GMT
#1052
On May 22 2013 07:44 HorsemasterK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 07:40 Fionn wrote:
"Hey, can I borrow your new game to see if I want to buy it?"
"Sure."
"Oh wait, I have to pay money to actually play it? Fuck this."


and in the next gen:

"I have to pay to make a new save file?!?"


"If you are a subscriptor you don't!"
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
May 21 2013 22:52 GMT
#1053
On May 22 2013 07:38 s3rp wrote:
I'm wondering if Sony has to implement the same kind of method for dealing with second hand games. Do the publishers enforce this practice for the console developers now as well or is it something Microsoft did on their own ? Because if Sony doesn't do this they'd pretty much wrap up the gaming market with their console.

I accept not beeing able to sell/rent my game on PC because thanks to all the third party key sellers etc i can get brand new games pretty cheap . With the prices on console though not so much.

Also the new Xbox not working without the Camera running is kind of creepy .


It´s not only mickysoft most steam games also suffer under this. I think it´s a general course of the gaming industry that they don´t want resells anymore and try things like DRM. I read something they want to bring a modded xbox 360 version without any disc drive only with a option to buy/download games.
invisible tetris level master
zaikantos
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands43 Posts
May 21 2013 22:54 GMT
#1054
On May 22 2013 07:52 Nachtwind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 07:38 s3rp wrote:
I'm wondering if Sony has to implement the same kind of method for dealing with second hand games. Do the publishers enforce this practice for the console developers now as well or is it something Microsoft did on their own ? Because if Sony doesn't do this they'd pretty much wrap up the gaming market with their console.

I accept not beeing able to sell/rent my game on PC because thanks to all the third party key sellers etc i can get brand new games pretty cheap . With the prices on console though not so much.

Also the new Xbox not working without the Camera running is kind of creepy .


It´s not only mickysoft most steam games also suffer under this. I think it´s a general course of the gaming industry that they don´t want resells anymore and try things like DRM. I read something they want to bring a modded xbox 360 version without any disc drive only with a option to buy/download games.


There's a difference between physical disks not being able to be shared and digital content, IMO. If I buy a disk, I want to buy the game and have control over it. If i buy a steam game, I know I'm buying it for my account.
No.
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
May 21 2013 22:55 GMT
#1055
There's confusion and we're missing some details.


It is interesting because if they allow a game to be played through an install and without the disc I'm not sure what they could do besides tie that game to an account.
twitter: @terrancem
Mattidute
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands232 Posts
May 21 2013 22:55 GMT
#1056
On May 22 2013 07:50 Psychobabas wrote:
So the PS4 allows for second-hand games without a fee right?


Yes, it was 1 of the 1st things Sony confirmed when the rumor that next gen might be banning used games came around.
Trumpstyle
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden114 Posts
May 21 2013 22:59 GMT
#1057
Think Xbox will win this generation, it just has much bigger potential with live tv and kinect 2 which can be marketed to much bigger audience. Playstation 4 advantage is 30% more powerful gpu, don't think it will matter much at all.
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
May 21 2013 22:59 GMT
#1058
On May 22 2013 07:54 zaikantos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 07:52 Nachtwind wrote:
On May 22 2013 07:38 s3rp wrote:
I'm wondering if Sony has to implement the same kind of method for dealing with second hand games. Do the publishers enforce this practice for the console developers now as well or is it something Microsoft did on their own ? Because if Sony doesn't do this they'd pretty much wrap up the gaming market with their console.

I accept not beeing able to sell/rent my game on PC because thanks to all the third party key sellers etc i can get brand new games pretty cheap . With the prices on console though not so much.

Also the new Xbox not working without the Camera running is kind of creepy .


It´s not only mickysoft most steam games also suffer under this. I think it´s a general course of the gaming industry that they don´t want resells anymore and try things like DRM. I read something they want to bring a modded xbox 360 version without any disc drive only with a option to buy/download games.


There's a difference between physical disks not being able to be shared and digital content, IMO. If I buy a disk, I want to buy the game and have control over it. If i buy a steam game, I know I'm buying it for my account.


I don´t wanted to bring them into a correlation. Just saying. =)
invisible tetris level master
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 23:01:35
May 21 2013 23:01 GMT
#1059
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
May 21 2013 23:01 GMT
#1060
On May 22 2013 07:55 Mattidute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 07:50 Psychobabas wrote:
So the PS4 allows for second-hand games without a fee right?


Yes, it was 1 of the 1st things Sony confirmed when the rumor that next gen might be banning used games came around.


PS4 it is then!
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