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On May 22 2013 03:56 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:54 Serpico wrote:
People need to remember that the xbox was expected to have DD3 ram and not GDDR5. That's a huge difference, I wonder if they changed it like Sony. The rumor I read was that the Xbox will have dedicated GPU memory and that the PS4 is shared memory.
How does shared vs dedicated affect performance? Is shared better?
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On May 22 2013 03:54 Serpico wrote:
People need to remember that the xbox was expected to have DD3 ram and not GDDR5. That's a huge difference, I wonder if they changed it like Sony.
The fact it wasn't mentioned makes me think it isn't. Same as with the "64bit architecture" and not actually naming a CPU.
Considering it was a reveal, they didn't really reveal too much. Just lots of vague details.
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On May 22 2013 03:53 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:49 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 22 2013 03:32 zoLo wrote:On May 22 2013 03:23 GogoKodo wrote:
Everyone knows that it's going to have games and with E3 coming up right away I think it completely makes sense that they didn't cover a lot of games. They have a new box with a bunch of features they want people to know about, where else besides the reveal event should they show all that stuff? That said there was a few things they could cut like the Halo TV series. About what I was expecting overall. Agreed. Sony did the same, but they announced more games at their event in February. Their conference was much longer too. It makes sense for the two to show off the console's capabilities and features first, and then bust out the games later. Now that they got some of the features out of the way, they can focus more on the games at this upcoming E3. I'm sure they have some more features they are going to announce at E3 and upcoming events such as Gamescom, PAX Prime, and the Tokyo game Show. Sony did the same, but Sony is also looking to be WAAAAY cheaper in the long run. If you dont mind just using a TV remote instead of your console the PS4 seems to have the same functionality as the Xbox1, and easily comparable graphics. Really, the PS4 has some of the more interesting features to me, especially on the controller. Xbox1 has mandatory DLC fees (which is why some DLC isnt even available on the xbox360), monthly subscription to xbox live to use any services at all, and in order to use most of the features it looks like you need a cable TV subscription to get use out of it. Then there is the worry about mandatory online in some games (ala Sim City... SERVERS ARE DOING THE WORK WE SWEAR), and the curious issue of used games. From the things I've read, the Xbox is going to be cheaper. But there hasn't been anything official, so take what you will. I've heard nothing saying that the new Xbox has mandatory DLC fees. The current one is kind of that way. As for the Xbox live fee, you're paying for a reliable and safe service, and we don't know if the new Xbox will even have a fee. True, we dont know specifics on prices. The PS4 is rumored to be priced at 399EU (compared to, what... 350 for a Wii U?), so the Xbox1 will have to be pretty competitively priced. It is their policy and I dont see them changing it, same for xbox live fees (especially since they plan to use cloud services with 300k servers).
I just heard rumors on a stream that the XBox1 will have 2 prices 300$ with 2 years of xboxlive for 15$ a month and 500$ without xboxlive . Not sure how accurate.
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So, I just watched the ps4 announcement cause I haven't watched it.
Well I just watched the game trailers and boy is xbox completely outclassed/outplayed/outmacroed.
This title from square enix seemed awesome and that deep down game seemed like a bethesda rpg.
The ps4 games were so much better.
Mind that I don't have a console, I will now buy my first after snes like 20 years ago, so I'm not a fanboy of either side.
Also considering exclusives like nino ku ni or journey for ps3, ps4 is a no brainer atm.
All I get from xbox1 is interconnection I guess, which as a pc user is completely useless.
Only redeeming element in xbox presentation was messi.
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On May 22 2013 03:57 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:53 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 22 2013 03:49 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 22 2013 03:32 zoLo wrote:On May 22 2013 03:23 GogoKodo wrote:
Everyone knows that it's going to have games and with E3 coming up right away I think it completely makes sense that they didn't cover a lot of games. They have a new box with a bunch of features they want people to know about, where else besides the reveal event should they show all that stuff? That said there was a few things they could cut like the Halo TV series. About what I was expecting overall. Agreed. Sony did the same, but they announced more games at their event in February. Their conference was much longer too. It makes sense for the two to show off the console's capabilities and features first, and then bust out the games later. Now that they got some of the features out of the way, they can focus more on the games at this upcoming E3. I'm sure they have some more features they are going to announce at E3 and upcoming events such as Gamescom, PAX Prime, and the Tokyo game Show. Sony did the same, but Sony is also looking to be WAAAAY cheaper in the long run. If you dont mind just using a TV remote instead of your console the PS4 seems to have the same functionality as the Xbox1, and easily comparable graphics. Really, the PS4 has some of the more interesting features to me, especially on the controller. Xbox1 has mandatory DLC fees (which is why some DLC isnt even available on the xbox360), monthly subscription to xbox live to use any services at all, and in order to use most of the features it looks like you need a cable TV subscription to get use out of it. Then there is the worry about mandatory online in some games (ala Sim City... SERVERS ARE DOING THE WORK WE SWEAR), and the curious issue of used games. From the things I've read, the Xbox is going to be cheaper. But there hasn't been anything official, so take what you will. I've heard nothing saying that the new Xbox has mandatory DLC fees. The current one is kind of that way. As for the Xbox live fee, you're paying for a reliable and safe service, and we don't know if the new Xbox will even have a fee. True, we dont know specifics on prices. The PS4 is rumored to be priced at 399EU (compared to, what... 350 for a Wii U?), so the Xbox1 will have to be pretty competitively priced. It is their policy and I dont see them changing it, same for xbox live fees (especially since they plan to use cloud services with 300k servers). I just heard rumors on a stream that the XBox1 will have 2 prices 300$ with 2 years of xboxlive for 15$ a month and 500$ without xboxlive . Not sure how accurate.
The way they're touting Live and "synergy" and "integration" and "the social aspect," I imagine that the $500 non-live version will be the most expensive brick you'll ever buy.
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On May 22 2013 03:59 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:57 s3rp wrote:On May 22 2013 03:53 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 22 2013 03:49 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 22 2013 03:32 zoLo wrote:On May 22 2013 03:23 GogoKodo wrote:
Everyone knows that it's going to have games and with E3 coming up right away I think it completely makes sense that they didn't cover a lot of games. They have a new box with a bunch of features they want people to know about, where else besides the reveal event should they show all that stuff? That said there was a few things they could cut like the Halo TV series. About what I was expecting overall. Agreed. Sony did the same, but they announced more games at their event in February. Their conference was much longer too. It makes sense for the two to show off the console's capabilities and features first, and then bust out the games later. Now that they got some of the features out of the way, they can focus more on the games at this upcoming E3. I'm sure they have some more features they are going to announce at E3 and upcoming events such as Gamescom, PAX Prime, and the Tokyo game Show. Sony did the same, but Sony is also looking to be WAAAAY cheaper in the long run. If you dont mind just using a TV remote instead of your console the PS4 seems to have the same functionality as the Xbox1, and easily comparable graphics. Really, the PS4 has some of the more interesting features to me, especially on the controller. Xbox1 has mandatory DLC fees (which is why some DLC isnt even available on the xbox360), monthly subscription to xbox live to use any services at all, and in order to use most of the features it looks like you need a cable TV subscription to get use out of it. Then there is the worry about mandatory online in some games (ala Sim City... SERVERS ARE DOING THE WORK WE SWEAR), and the curious issue of used games. From the things I've read, the Xbox is going to be cheaper. But there hasn't been anything official, so take what you will. I've heard nothing saying that the new Xbox has mandatory DLC fees. The current one is kind of that way. As for the Xbox live fee, you're paying for a reliable and safe service, and we don't know if the new Xbox will even have a fee. True, we dont know specifics on prices. The PS4 is rumored to be priced at 399EU (compared to, what... 350 for a Wii U?), so the Xbox1 will have to be pretty competitively priced. It is their policy and I dont see them changing it, same for xbox live fees (especially since they plan to use cloud services with 300k servers). I just heard rumors on a stream that the XBox1 will have 2 prices 300$ with 2 years of xboxlive for 15$ a month and 500$ without xboxlive . Not sure how accurate. The way they're touting Live and "synergy" and "integration" and "the social aspect," I imagine that the $500 non-live version will be the most expensive brick you'll ever buy.
You can still buy XBox live seperately though i would guess . You just aren't forced to.
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Nothing I've read about or heard thus far has me at all excited for this system.....I hope the next Playstation comes up with something more compelling.
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Anyone else was surprised that EA showed NBA Live 14 instead of NHL 14?
Not that I care about EA, but it seems weird to me lol
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On May 22 2013 03:57 Greentellon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:56 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:54 Serpico wrote:
People need to remember that the xbox was expected to have DD3 ram and not GDDR5. That's a huge difference, I wonder if they changed it like Sony. The rumor I read was that the Xbox will have dedicated GPU memory and that the PS4 is shared memory. How does shared vs dedicated affect performance? Is shared better?
Dedicated GPU memory means that the GPU has its own memory that is separate from the system memory. So shared memory isn't better, it means you can't do as much with the system.
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somehow this kynect is scary shit =(
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On May 22 2013 04:01 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:57 Greentellon wrote:On May 22 2013 03:56 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:54 Serpico wrote:
People need to remember that the xbox was expected to have DD3 ram and not GDDR5. That's a huge difference, I wonder if they changed it like Sony. The rumor I read was that the Xbox will have dedicated GPU memory and that the PS4 is shared memory. How does shared vs dedicated affect performance? Is shared better? Dedicated GPU memory means that the GPU has its own memory that is separate from the system memory. So shared memory isn't better, it means you can't do as much with the system.
How so?
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The presentation was too heavy on the features and too light on the games. I get they are waiting for E3, but this presentation seems to be designed for the general populace instead of gamers. The entire reveal basically shows a next generation cable box with an subscription service (Xbox Live) and a nice new TV remote controller (the Kinnect).
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On May 22 2013 04:00 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:59 Klondikebar wrote:On May 22 2013 03:57 s3rp wrote:On May 22 2013 03:53 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 22 2013 03:49 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 22 2013 03:32 zoLo wrote:On May 22 2013 03:23 GogoKodo wrote:
Everyone knows that it's going to have games and with E3 coming up right away I think it completely makes sense that they didn't cover a lot of games. They have a new box with a bunch of features they want people to know about, where else besides the reveal event should they show all that stuff? That said there was a few things they could cut like the Halo TV series. About what I was expecting overall. Agreed. Sony did the same, but they announced more games at their event in February. Their conference was much longer too. It makes sense for the two to show off the console's capabilities and features first, and then bust out the games later. Now that they got some of the features out of the way, they can focus more on the games at this upcoming E3. I'm sure they have some more features they are going to announce at E3 and upcoming events such as Gamescom, PAX Prime, and the Tokyo game Show. Sony did the same, but Sony is also looking to be WAAAAY cheaper in the long run. If you dont mind just using a TV remote instead of your console the PS4 seems to have the same functionality as the Xbox1, and easily comparable graphics. Really, the PS4 has some of the more interesting features to me, especially on the controller. Xbox1 has mandatory DLC fees (which is why some DLC isnt even available on the xbox360), monthly subscription to xbox live to use any services at all, and in order to use most of the features it looks like you need a cable TV subscription to get use out of it. Then there is the worry about mandatory online in some games (ala Sim City... SERVERS ARE DOING THE WORK WE SWEAR), and the curious issue of used games. From the things I've read, the Xbox is going to be cheaper. But there hasn't been anything official, so take what you will. I've heard nothing saying that the new Xbox has mandatory DLC fees. The current one is kind of that way. As for the Xbox live fee, you're paying for a reliable and safe service, and we don't know if the new Xbox will even have a fee. True, we dont know specifics on prices. The PS4 is rumored to be priced at 399EU (compared to, what... 350 for a Wii U?), so the Xbox1 will have to be pretty competitively priced. It is their policy and I dont see them changing it, same for xbox live fees (especially since they plan to use cloud services with 300k servers). I just heard rumors on a stream that the XBox1 will have 2 prices 300$ with 2 years of xboxlive for 15$ a month and 500$ without xboxlive . Not sure how accurate. The way they're touting Live and "synergy" and "integration" and "the social aspect," I imagine that the $500 non-live version will be the most expensive brick you'll ever buy. You can still buy XBox live seperately though i would guess . You just aren't forced to.
Well yeah but why would you pay an extra $200 for the console and then turn right around and buy live separately? Believe me, not having live on this machine is going to cut you out of 75% of the features. It's already a hugely profitable scam on the 360. It's not going to get any less skeezy on the One.
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On May 22 2013 04:03 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 04:01 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:57 Greentellon wrote:On May 22 2013 03:56 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:54 Serpico wrote:
People need to remember that the xbox was expected to have DD3 ram and not GDDR5. That's a huge difference, I wonder if they changed it like Sony. The rumor I read was that the Xbox will have dedicated GPU memory and that the PS4 is shared memory. How does shared vs dedicated affect performance? Is shared better? Dedicated GPU memory means that the GPU has its own memory that is separate from the system memory. So shared memory isn't better, it means you can't do as much with the system. How so?
If the 8gb is separate, then the graphics engine has 8gb memory to play with. If it's shared, it has 8gb-x to play with, x being the amount that the OS etc is using.
It's only one factor in a big broth, however. The speed (GDDR is much faster) is probably more important, for example.
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On May 22 2013 04:00 MoneyHypeMike wrote:
Anyone else was surprised that EA showed NBA Live 14 instead of NHL 14?
Not that I care about EA, but it seems weird to me lol
I didn't watch that portion of the show, and I'm not that knowledgeable in sports games, but I assume that maybe it was because we are rapidly approaching the NBA finals right now, so maybe they're trying to build upon that basketball hype.
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On May 22 2013 04:01 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:57 Greentellon wrote:On May 22 2013 03:56 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:54 Serpico wrote:
People need to remember that the xbox was expected to have DD3 ram and not GDDR5. That's a huge difference, I wonder if they changed it like Sony. The rumor I read was that the Xbox will have dedicated GPU memory and that the PS4 is shared memory. How does shared vs dedicated affect performance? Is shared better? Dedicated GPU memory means that the GPU has its own memory that is separate from the system memory. So shared memory isn't better, it means you can't do as much with the system.
Not entirely true. Shared memory means that it loads much faster into memory since the GPU has direct access. It also means less wasted memory since you wont have an overabundance of system memory and a lack of GPU memory. It also means the entire system has much faster memory since it normally has significantly slower DDR3 to work with. 8GB of GDDR5 is a crapton of super fast memory. It does depends on optimization and architecture though.
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On May 22 2013 04:03 PureLuckz wrote:
The presentation was too heavy on the features and too light on the games. I get they are waiting for E3, but this presentation seems to be designed for the general populace instead of gamers. The entire reveal basically shows a next generation cable box with an subscription service (Xbox Live) and a nice new TV remote controller (the Kinnect).
Targeting the general populace for this event makes total sense. It was put on TV and regular media will pick it up and have lots of things to talk about. If they just showed a bunch of games general news outlets wouldn't really have much to say about it. More hardcore gamers are the type of people that will look up news on games and follow along more closely whenever new games are announced. The "casual" gaming crowd needs events like this, and they are actually the bigger audience for Microsoft to sell to.
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The name is about as bad as possible... it seems game companies are just terrible at making decent names nowadays. Wii U, PS Vita, now Xbox One. Even games like Pokemon X & Y.
Anyone, was not at all impressed by the actual system. I'll be sticking to PC / PS4 most likely, and will get a Wii U eventually since Nintendo just makes too many good first party games.
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Casual gamers play Bejeweled and Farmville. If they buy a console it's a Wii. They certainly don't buy Xboxs and Playstations. And MS isn't targetting them because they don't make games that those people care about.
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On May 22 2013 03:13 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:06 SushilS wrote:On May 22 2013 03:03 Hey Sean. wrote:On May 22 2013 03:02 SushilS wrote:
I think this is the first time for a lotta you seeing a press release... This is how it goes.. stop hating and look to the future,..,, It seems good! It's terrible. It's below 2006 E3. There were games there at least. This has been 90% TV and then just one audience. You can't get much more fanboy than you've been posting like. LOOOOL Comparing a E3 with this... OMG just goes to show I guess... Please compare E3 with this years E3... Thats where you'll see games and such... seriously you guys... Sigh... -_- You shouldn't blame viewers because Microsoft don't know how to make a proper launch show. If you actually think this was good I don't know what to say. Yes comparing it to E3 is dumb, so is the way Microsoft barely mentioned games other than Call of Duty. You basically learned nothing from this launch show other than it's basically an elaborate smart-tv.
It did exactly what it was supposed to do which was reveal the new Xbox. What more do you want? It's not E3 or any other gamer convention, this is a reveal by Microsoft so that people know what to expect when E3 comes around. Everyone here that's bitching about how this was "terrible" are probably the same people who sign contracts without reading the fine print and wonder why they aren't getting what they expected.
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