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On May 22 2013 03:46 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:42 Sated wrote:
I'm only interested in the quality of the games. You don't need stellar graphics to make a good game, you don't need a powerful processor, you don't need to be able to multitask, you don't need any of this other stuff. That other stuff is cool, sure, but you don't need it to make a good game, and I am only interested in the games.
People who are more interested in how the console works are kinda missing the point. It's like a kid who can't enjoy a game of football because they're not wearing the most expensive boots or don't have the latest ball or team strip or whatever... The games are mostly on both systems though, so of course people are interested in which one is going to run them better. It's not "will TES6 look good or have good gameplay?", it's "which console is going to make my TES6 look and run better?"
They are both going to be extremely comparable this generation. The PS4 isnt using vastly different architecture/hardware this time (when compared with the PS3/X360). Spec wise, they are going to run games the same.
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Attempt at creating discussion:
They said it's "64bit architecture". Does this mean Xbox One has PC-like architecture too, in a similar way PS4 has? Could this mean that it's WAY easier to port games from console-to-console-to-PC in this generation?
What do you think would happen to the gaming device market if game devs could create games for all 3 platforms with minimal effort?
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On May 22 2013 03:38 TealLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:30 Thinasy wrote:On May 22 2013 03:22 Doodsmack wrote:
lol this thread is so full of people with a preconceived bias against consoles. "Hey guys I'm gonna point out the things I like about PC that consoles still won't have...my post is worthwhile, trust me." Well if they didnt want the comments, they probably shouldnt have made a whole show about multitasking on a game console, the same kind of multitasking my computer with windows 98 probably could pull off. They didnt show ANY game footage at all, just some prerendered fugly shit. And I think this encapsulates the entire argument about the Xbox One here. If a large number of people in this thread are going to stick to this notion that it is solely a gaming console, then you are misguided. Microsoft is targeting a broader market and I knew going into this that whatever the new console was going to be was going to be an entertainment system that happens to play games. As for the lack of gaming footage, are people that impatient that they can't wait for E3? It isn't too far off. They just want MS to blow their entire wad right now? I would've liked more than they offered for sure, but get a grip people.
I don't mind the broader approch they want to go. I can only guess that this will not work with most audiences outside of the US, as everything they mentioned is pretty much either US exclusive or at least of very little interest for the rest of the world. They just didn't make the entertainment aspect appealing to someone who is most likely excluded from most of it.
But i learned, that i am just not the target audience for the next xbox (Non US, Hardcore Gamer) which makes me sad, because, like everyone else, i like it when products directly appeal to my desires. 
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On May 22 2013 03:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:-.- Show nested quote +According to an exclusive look at the Xbox One by Wired, you'll have to install games to the console's hard drive to play them. Following the installation process, you'll be able to boot games up without the disc at all, and they'll be tied to your Xbox Live account. Source
meh the majority of my console gaming is done through used games like years after the game came out. If it doesn't instantly intrigue me, I just wont bother buying it for more than 15$ ever. gaming is a hobby for me, so I don't worry about getting the newest call of duty or whatever the fuck else is popular so i can talk to other dude bros about how awesome it is. result, if they make it so i have to pay a fee (anything more than 5$) to play a used game, I just wont buy an Xbox One, which saddens me a bit. I had a psx, then jumped onboard for the original xbox and the 360, but I won't be a part of this at all, I'll just game on my PC and they'll lose a few date and date sales from me, my 5 years of xbox live and a lot of XBLA purchases. their loss.
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On May 22 2013 03:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:32 zoLo wrote:On May 22 2013 03:23 GogoKodo wrote:
Everyone knows that it's going to have games and with E3 coming up right away I think it completely makes sense that they didn't cover a lot of games. They have a new box with a bunch of features they want people to know about, where else besides the reveal event should they show all that stuff? That said there was a few things they could cut like the Halo TV series. About what I was expecting overall. Agreed. Sony did the same, but they announced more games at their event in February. Their conference was much longer too. It makes sense for the two to show off the console's capabilities and features first, and then bust out the games later. Now that they got some of the features out of the way, they can focus more on the games at this upcoming E3. I'm sure they have some more features they are going to announce at E3 and upcoming events such as Gamescom, PAX Prime, and the Tokyo game Show. Sony did the same, but Sony is also looking to be WAAAAY cheaper in the long run. If you dont mind just using a TV remote instead of your console the PS4 seems to have the same functionality as the Xbox1, and easily comparable graphics. Really, the PS4 has some of the more interesting features to me, especially on the controller. Xbox1 has mandatory DLC fees (which is why some DLC isnt even available on the xbox360), monthly subscription to xbox live to use any services at all, and in order to use most of the features it looks like you need a cable TV subscription to get use out of it. Then there is the worry about mandatory online in some games (ala Sim City... SERVERS ARE DOING THE WORK WE SWEAR), and the curious issue of used games.
From the things I've read, the Xbox is going to be cheaper. But there hasn't been anything official, so take what you will.
I've heard nothing saying that the new Xbox has mandatory DLC fees. The current one is kind of that way.
As for the Xbox live fee, you're paying for a reliable and safe service, and we don't know if the new Xbox will even have a fee.
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On May 22 2013 03:43 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:40 Klondikebar wrote:
I'm glad they waited 30 minutes into the reveal to even mention a game. And for all the times they mentioned innovation I certainly couldn't see any. Skype, a tv guide (REALLY?!), and voice/gesture commands aren't at all new things. I just watched an hour long reveal of a gaming console and I can count on one hand the number of times they mentioned video games. I just don't think I'm their demographic anymore. DUDE, did you even see the Call of Duty video? I mean, that was some seriously cool stuff. /sarcasm
The call of duty stuff was cool but not for gameplay reasons. The developers were REALLY FREAKING GOOD at emulating movement. That dog was outright impressive. And the lighting improvements were pretty spectacular too. They're just not gonna sell me a console with the next iteration of RUN DOWN A BROWN HALLWAY AND SHOOT FOREIGNERS!!
And by that point in the reveal I was so done with their buzz and hype anyway. I spent the last 30 minutes wanting to call in a bomb threat to the venue just to shut them up.
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On May 22 2013 03:46 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:37 MoneyHypeMike wrote:On May 22 2013 03:33 Resilient wrote:On May 22 2013 03:26 Serpico wrote:
So Europeans, how relevant are the TV aspects of the console to you? I've heard TV is generally not a thing in Europe (as in a really popular living room activity). Is it basically MS saying "We're just going to try and dominate NA and everything else is whatever." Well the entire presentation was heavily NA focused, so I'd assume that was their goal from the beginning. NFL/NBA partnerships means absolutely nothing to us and you're right, in general, Europeans are not that fussed about watching TV. We use the internet heavily to watch shows when and where we want to these days. So being able to change channel via voice command and look up digital TV guides is just nothing really. Bandwidth is not a problem for a lot of Europeans and we have a great deal of digital mediums providing most TV on-the-go. I wouldn't say NA focus, but USA focus. They did a better job than Sony imo, games will be announced at E3. Yeah no one wants to hear about games in a launch event.
Besides people that are interested in video game consoles to play games  .
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On May 22 2013 03:48 Greentellon wrote:
Attempt at creating discussion:
They said it's "64bit architecture". Does this mean Xbox One has PC-like architecture too, in a similar way PS4 has? Could this mean that it's WAY easier to port games from console-to-console-to-PC in this generation?
What do you think would happen to the gaming device market if game devs could create games for all 3 platforms with minimal effort?
Yes. People have known that this generation was going to be like this for a very long time now.
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On May 22 2013 03:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:46 Yaotzin wrote:On May 22 2013 03:42 Sated wrote:
I'm only interested in the quality of the games. You don't need stellar graphics to make a good game, you don't need a powerful processor, you don't need to be able to multitask, you don't need any of this other stuff. That other stuff is cool, sure, but you don't need it to make a good game, and I am only interested in the games.
People who are more interested in how the console works are kinda missing the point. It's like a kid who can't enjoy a game of football because they're not wearing the most expensive boots or don't have the latest ball or team strip or whatever... The games are mostly on both systems though, so of course people are interested in which one is going to run them better. It's not "will TES6 look good or have good gameplay?", it's "which console is going to make my TES6 look and run better?" They are both going to be extremely comparable this generation. The PS4 isnt using vastly different architecture/hardware this time (when compared with the PS3/X360). Spec wise, they are going to run games the same.
That isn't known..
MS may have skimped on the hardware in order to have all this other junk.
I just hope it doesn't suck though. The PS4 hardware should provide pretty decent ports, I just hope the xbox isn't tragically lacking in RAM or somesuch which gimps games.
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On May 22 2013 03:48 Greentellon wrote:
Attempt at creating discussion:
They said it's "64bit architecture". Does this mean Xbox One has PC-like architecture too, in a similar way PS4 has? Could this mean that it's WAY easier to port games from console-to-console-to-PC in this generation?
What do you think would happen to the gaming device market if game devs could create games for all 3 platforms with minimal effort?
I think its probably good for the developers mostly if the ports are easy and it does probably mean you will see a lot less terrible PC ports but overall I would think impact is minimal to consumer. I don't think it will stop the new trend of delaying PC releases because that has nothing to do with porting.
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On May 22 2013 03:42 Sated wrote:
I'm only interested in the quality of the games. You don't need stellar graphics to make a good game, you don't need a powerful processor, you don't need to be able to multitask, you don't need any of this other stuff. That other stuff is cool, sure, but you don't need it to make a good game, and I am only interested in the games.
People who are more interested in how the console works are kinda missing the point. It's like a kid who can't enjoy a game of football because they're not wearing the most expensive boots or don't have the latest ball or team strip or whatever...
This, a million times over. I couldn't really care less what their new features are as long as the games are good. Stuff like the Kinect and whatever online services they provide are good options for game developers to use. And if the game isn't something that appeals to you, you don't buy it! I highly doubt that all developers will start using the always online stuff (unless it really offers things that you can't otherwise get on the console), especially if there's initial backlash from consumers.
As for the used game stuff, we'll see. Developers have always been complaining about not getting money from used sales, so this could be an interesting way to address that issue. And honestly, as long as the cost is reasonable (Steam prices come to mind), it's all good.
So in short, it'd be wise to wait and see what developers do with this stuff before drawing conclusions.
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I think people need to re frame from their decision on which console they are going to buy (if they are going to be buying one and it is a choice between Xbox/PS4) until E3. I mean that is where the gameplay is going to be for these consoles by the sounds of it. That Xbox One launch was literally just them showing what the console is capable to do, which is fine. But we need to see gameplay as gamers, the rest is just perks for us.
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On May 22 2013 03:49 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 22 2013 03:32 zoLo wrote:On May 22 2013 03:23 GogoKodo wrote:
Everyone knows that it's going to have games and with E3 coming up right away I think it completely makes sense that they didn't cover a lot of games. They have a new box with a bunch of features they want people to know about, where else besides the reveal event should they show all that stuff? That said there was a few things they could cut like the Halo TV series. About what I was expecting overall. Agreed. Sony did the same, but they announced more games at their event in February. Their conference was much longer too. It makes sense for the two to show off the console's capabilities and features first, and then bust out the games later. Now that they got some of the features out of the way, they can focus more on the games at this upcoming E3. I'm sure they have some more features they are going to announce at E3 and upcoming events such as Gamescom, PAX Prime, and the Tokyo game Show. Sony did the same, but Sony is also looking to be WAAAAY cheaper in the long run. If you dont mind just using a TV remote instead of your console the PS4 seems to have the same functionality as the Xbox1, and easily comparable graphics. Really, the PS4 has some of the more interesting features to me, especially on the controller. Xbox1 has mandatory DLC fees (which is why some DLC isnt even available on the xbox360), monthly subscription to xbox live to use any services at all, and in order to use most of the features it looks like you need a cable TV subscription to get use out of it. Then there is the worry about mandatory online in some games (ala Sim City... SERVERS ARE DOING THE WORK WE SWEAR), and the curious issue of used games. From the things I've read, the Xbox is going to be cheaper. But there hasn't been anything official, so take what you will. I've heard nothing saying that the new Xbox has mandatory DLC fees. The current one is kind of that way. As for the Xbox live fee, you're paying for a reliable and safe service, and we don't know if the new Xbox will even have a fee.
True, we dont know specifics on prices. The PS4 is rumored to be priced at 399EU (compared to, what... 350 for a Wii U?), so the Xbox1 will have to be pretty competitively priced.
It is their policy and I dont see them changing it, same for xbox live fees (especially since they plan to use cloud services with 300k servers).
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On May 22 2013 03:49 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:43 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:40 Klondikebar wrote:
I'm glad they waited 30 minutes into the reveal to even mention a game. And for all the times they mentioned innovation I certainly couldn't see any. Skype, a tv guide (REALLY?!), and voice/gesture commands aren't at all new things. I just watched an hour long reveal of a gaming console and I can count on one hand the number of times they mentioned video games. I just don't think I'm their demographic anymore. DUDE, did you even see the Call of Duty video? I mean, that was some seriously cool stuff. /sarcasm The call of duty stuff was cool but not for gameplay reasons. The developers were REALLY FREAKING GOOD at emulating movement. That dog was outright impressive. And the lighting improvements were pretty spectacular too. They're just not gonna sell me a console with the next iteration of RUN DOWN A BROWN HALLWAY AND SHOOT FOREIGNERS!! And by that point in the reveal I was so done with their buzz and hype anyway. I spent the last 30 minutes wanting to call in a bomb threat to the venue just to shut them up.
Of course they were good at emulating movement, it was all cutscenes using MOCAP.
The head was garbage as well. The most impressive thing this showing was the Forza car, and even that was pretty average. It was pre-rendered for a start, and the particle effects just weren't any good compared to the PS4. In the PS4 conference, they showed effects that simply aren't possible on current consoles. Forza showed us things that are possible.
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People need to remember that the xbox was expected to have DD3 ram and not GDDR5. That's a huge difference, I wonder if they changed it like Sony.
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On May 22 2013 03:51 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 22 2013 03:46 Yaotzin wrote:On May 22 2013 03:42 Sated wrote:
I'm only interested in the quality of the games. You don't need stellar graphics to make a good game, you don't need a powerful processor, you don't need to be able to multitask, you don't need any of this other stuff. That other stuff is cool, sure, but you don't need it to make a good game, and I am only interested in the games.
People who are more interested in how the console works are kinda missing the point. It's like a kid who can't enjoy a game of football because they're not wearing the most expensive boots or don't have the latest ball or team strip or whatever... The games are mostly on both systems though, so of course people are interested in which one is going to run them better. It's not "will TES6 look good or have good gameplay?", it's "which console is going to make my TES6 look and run better?" They are both going to be extremely comparable this generation. The PS4 isnt using vastly different architecture/hardware this time (when compared with the PS3/X360). Spec wise, they are going to run games the same. That isn't known.. MS may have skimped on the hardware in order to have all this other junk. I just hope it doesn't suck though. The PS4 hardware should provide pretty decent ports, I just hope the xbox isn't tragically lacking in RAM or somesuch which gimps games.
We know most of the hardware already
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hardware-and-specs/
The main difference is that the PS4 has the shared GDDR5 memory while the xbox1 has just DDR3. Both are using AMD processors/GPU's I believe.
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On May 22 2013 03:54 Serpico wrote:
People need to remember that the xbox was expected to have DD3 ram and not GDDR5. That's a huge difference, I wonder if they changed it like Sony.
The rumor I read was that the Xbox will have dedicated GPU memory and that the PS4 is shared memory.
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Disappointing as hell. After sony's conference I seriously believed ms had the chance to blow ps4 out of the water, but this was just a big slap in the face to gamers. TV, sports, COD? I mean are you serious, are these the xbox one highlights? Makes the ps4 twitch streaming button look pure genius.
I was a big fan of the original xbox and I had some good fun on Live but I can't see any reason to pick this box up when my pc does everything + more. I feel that with everything going multiplat these days the xbox has nothing new to offer in terms of gaming. At least the ps4 will have all the japanese and indie shit to differentiate itself
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On May 22 2013 03:54 Hey Sean. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:49 Klondikebar wrote:On May 22 2013 03:43 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:40 Klondikebar wrote:
I'm glad they waited 30 minutes into the reveal to even mention a game. And for all the times they mentioned innovation I certainly couldn't see any. Skype, a tv guide (REALLY?!), and voice/gesture commands aren't at all new things. I just watched an hour long reveal of a gaming console and I can count on one hand the number of times they mentioned video games. I just don't think I'm their demographic anymore. DUDE, did you even see the Call of Duty video? I mean, that was some seriously cool stuff. /sarcasm The call of duty stuff was cool but not for gameplay reasons. The developers were REALLY FREAKING GOOD at emulating movement. That dog was outright impressive. And the lighting improvements were pretty spectacular too. They're just not gonna sell me a console with the next iteration of RUN DOWN A BROWN HALLWAY AND SHOOT FOREIGNERS!! And by that point in the reveal I was so done with their buzz and hype anyway. I spent the last 30 minutes wanting to call in a bomb threat to the venue just to shut them up. Of course they were good at emulating movement, it was all cutscenes using MOCAP. The head was garbage as well. The most impressive thing this showing was the Forza car, and even that was pretty average. It was pre-rendered for a start, and the particle effects just weren't any good compared to the PS4. In the PS4 conference, they showed effects that simply aren't possible on current consoles. Forza showed us things that are possible.
I completely skipped the Forza reveal. Outside of Mario Kart I really don't give two effs about racing games.
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