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Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
May 21 2013 18:37 GMT
#821
On May 22 2013 03:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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According to an exclusive look at the Xbox One by Wired, you'll have to install games to the console's hard drive to play them. Following the installation process, you'll be able to boot games up without the disc at all, and they'll be tied to your Xbox Live account.


Source


Gamestop is going to be SO mad they can't resell used games anymore.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 18:38:32
May 21 2013 18:37 GMT
#822
On May 22 2013 03:26 Serpico wrote:
So Europeans, how relevant are the TV aspects of the console to you? I've heard TV is generally not a thing in Europe (as in a really popular living room activity). Is it basically MS saying "We're just going to try and dominate NA and everything else is whatever."


The TV aspect is totally irrelevant to me. German television is complete and utter bullshit anyway these days outside of some sports events . Is HarzIV TV now going to be shown through XBOX ? Oh great... Not to mention us german have to suffer through dreadful dubbing anyway with international movies and series.
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
May 21 2013 18:38 GMT
#823
On May 22 2013 03:33 JIJI_ wrote:
Dangg this thing looks SWEET!!

graphics seems so awesome and that motion sensor seems sweet as well

only gripe is that it looks a bit too 90s VCR (LOL!!!).

i would have prefered a more rounded / sleek physical design, but hardware wise, i am very excited to get my hands on one of these puppies and have my mind blown


not sure if serious, etc.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 21 2013 18:38 GMT
#824
On May 22 2013 03:34 andy186 wrote:
unappealing to you but the 'frat-boy' crowd is huge and its good business for them.

Ya I can see it working in the US, and maybe UK if they adapt the NFL stuff to football. Elsewhere I think it'll fall very flat.

On May 22 2013 03:34 Adreme wrote:
I think we are beyond the point with this generation where things will look bad on one or other. We were almost beyond it last generation and with this generation I think games are going to look about as good as we need them to look so hopefully they can get back to focusing on the good game part.

Current gen games look fucking awful. The textures in particular are truly horrendous. You can 'fix' them somewhat by running at a higher resolution, but that doesn't fix the textures.

However the biggest thing for the new consoles is that they actually have some RAM, so this should change.

As for "looking as good as they need"...I dunno, people seem to say that every gen. Guess it could happen, I certainly wouldn't mind.
TealLurker
Profile Joined June 2008
United States791 Posts
May 21 2013 18:38 GMT
#825
On May 22 2013 03:30 Thinasy wrote:
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On May 22 2013 03:22 Doodsmack wrote:
lol this thread is so full of people with a preconceived bias against consoles. "Hey guys I'm gonna point out the things I like about PC that consoles still won't have...my post is worthwhile, trust me."


Well if they didnt want the comments, they probably shouldnt have made a whole show about multitasking on a game console, the same kind of multitasking my computer with windows 98 probably could pull off. They didnt show ANY game footage at all, just some prerendered fugly shit.

And I think this encapsulates the entire argument about the Xbox One here. If a large number of people in this thread are going to stick to this notion that it is solely a gaming console, then you are misguided. Microsoft is targeting a broader market and I knew going into this that whatever the new console was going to be was going to be an entertainment system that happens to play games. As for the lack of gaming footage, are people that impatient that they can't wait for E3? It isn't too far off. They just want MS to blow their entire wad right now? I would've liked more than they offered for sure, but get a grip people.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
May 21 2013 18:40 GMT
#826
I'm glad they waited 30 minutes into the reveal to even mention a game. And for all the times they mentioned innovation I certainly couldn't see any. Skype, a tv guide (REALLY?!), and voice/gesture commands aren't at all new things. I just watched an hour long reveal of a gaming console and I can count on one hand the number of times they mentioned video games. I just don't think I'm their demographic anymore.
#2throwed
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 21 2013 18:40 GMT
#827
On May 22 2013 03:26 Serpico wrote:
So Europeans, how relevant are the TV aspects of the console to you? I've heard TV is generally not a thing in Europe (as in a really popular living room activity). Is it basically MS saying "We're just going to try and dominate NA and everything else is whatever."

Not EU but personally I find the only reason to watch TV anymore is sport. I download everything else.

I can't see them adapting all those features to every individual country anyway, though. I expect most to be only available in USA/Canada/UK.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 18:41:51
May 21 2013 18:40 GMT
#828
MS will have to ink a deal with FIFA if they even want to think about selling a couple thousand units in mainland Europe.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 21 2013 18:42 GMT
#829
On May 22 2013 03:38 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 03:34 andy186 wrote:
unappealing to you but the 'frat-boy' crowd is huge and its good business for them.

Ya I can see it working in the US, and maybe UK if they adapt the NFL stuff to football. Elsewhere I think it'll fall very flat.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 03:34 Adreme wrote:
I think we are beyond the point with this generation where things will look bad on one or other. We were almost beyond it last generation and with this generation I think games are going to look about as good as we need them to look so hopefully they can get back to focusing on the good game part.

Current gen games look fucking awful. The textures in particular are truly horrendous. You can 'fix' them somewhat by running at a higher resolution, but that doesn't fix the textures.

However the biggest thing for the new consoles is that they actually have some RAM, so this should change.

As for "looking as good as they need"...I dunno, people seem to say that every gen. Guess it could happen, I certainly wouldn't mind.


This meant the one upcoming. I realize I was a little vague in that but for me I have to see a single game where the graphics were so bad from one to other that I didn't go with what I considered to have the stronger gaming experience. The vast difference in power between these and the consoles 7 years ago means that I cant realistically see them needing to make the games look any better than the new consoles allow them to so my point was they can maybe focus on the gameplay part of the game instead of the graphic wars that defined this century.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 18:47:56
May 21 2013 18:42 GMT
#830
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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
May 21 2013 18:42 GMT
#831
On May 22 2013 03:32 zoLo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 03:23 GogoKodo wrote:
Everyone knows that it's going to have games and with E3 coming up right away I think it completely makes sense that they didn't cover a lot of games. They have a new box with a bunch of features they want people to know about, where else besides the reveal event should they show all that stuff? That said there was a few things they could cut like the Halo TV series. About what I was expecting overall.


Agreed. Sony did the same, but they announced more games at their event in February. Their conference was much longer too. It makes sense for the two to show off the console's capabilities and features first, and then bust out the games later. Now that they got some of the features out of the way, they can focus more on the games at this upcoming E3. I'm sure they have some more features they are going to announce at E3 and upcoming events such as Gamescom, PAX Prime, and the Tokyo game Show.

Sony did the same, but Sony is also looking to be WAAAAY cheaper in the long run. If you dont mind just using a TV remote instead of your console the PS4 seems to have the same functionality as the Xbox1, and easily comparable graphics. Really, the PS4 has some of the more interesting features to me, especially on the controller.

Xbox1 has mandatory DLC fees (which is why some DLC isnt even available on the xbox360), monthly subscription to xbox live to use any services at all, and in order to use most of the features it looks like you need a cable TV subscription to get use out of it. Then there is the worry about mandatory online in some games (ala Sim City... SERVERS ARE DOING THE WORK WE SWEAR), and the curious issue of used games.
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
May 21 2013 18:43 GMT
#832
On May 22 2013 03:40 Klondikebar wrote:
I'm glad they waited 30 minutes into the reveal to even mention a game. And for all the times they mentioned innovation I certainly couldn't see any. Skype, a tv guide (REALLY?!), and voice/gesture commands aren't at all new things. I just watched an hour long reveal of a gaming console and I can count on one hand the number of times they mentioned video games. I just don't think I'm their demographic anymore.

DUDE, did you even see the Call of Duty video? I mean, that was some seriously cool stuff. /sarcasm
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
ThreeAcross
Profile Joined January 2011
172 Posts
May 21 2013 18:44 GMT
#833
On May 22 2013 03:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
-.-

Show nested quote +
According to an exclusive look at the Xbox One by Wired, you'll have to install games to the console's hard drive to play them. Following the installation process, you'll be able to boot games up without the disc at all, and they'll be tied to your Xbox Live account.


Source


They go onto say that you can install it again for a 'fee'. That means it can only be used twice or the fee is the same or close to a new game. If unlimited installs for a 20$ fee.. 5 friends split cost of 60$ to 12$ then 20$ fee and its far cheaper than buying a new game.
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
May 21 2013 18:45 GMT
#834
On May 22 2013 03:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
-.-

Show nested quote +
According to an exclusive look at the Xbox One by Wired, you'll have to install games to the console's hard drive to play them. Following the installation process, you'll be able to boot games up without the disc at all, and they'll be tied to your Xbox Live account.


Source

With this I can say that I am 100% certain my sister is not even going to think of even considering an interest in the console.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9582 Posts
May 21 2013 18:45 GMT
#835
On May 22 2013 03:26 Serpico wrote:
So Europeans, how relevant are the TV aspects of the console to you? I've heard TV is generally not a thing in Europe (as in a really popular living room activity). Is it basically MS saying "We're just going to try and dominate NA and everything else is whatever."


I watch TV for maybe an hour a day. 30 minutes of 24-h news channel before setting off to work to see if the world hasn't ended since when I went to sleep last night, and another 30 minutes of Comedy Central to keep me company when I eat dinner at home.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
May 21 2013 18:45 GMT
#836
Sony's stocks just went up 10% after the xboxone reveal.
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/sne/real-time
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 21 2013 18:46 GMT
#837
On May 22 2013 03:37 MoneyHypeMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 03:33 Resilient wrote:
On May 22 2013 03:26 Serpico wrote:
So Europeans, how relevant are the TV aspects of the console to you? I've heard TV is generally not a thing in Europe (as in a really popular living room activity). Is it basically MS saying "We're just going to try and dominate NA and everything else is whatever."


Well the entire presentation was heavily NA focused, so I'd assume that was their goal from the beginning. NFL/NBA partnerships means absolutely nothing to us and you're right, in general, Europeans are not that fussed about watching TV.

We use the internet heavily to watch shows when and where we want to these days. So being able to change channel via voice command and look up digital TV guides is just nothing really. Bandwidth is not a problem for a lot of Europeans and we have a great deal of digital mediums providing most TV on-the-go.


I wouldn't say NA focus, but USA focus.

They did a better job than Sony imo, games will be announced at E3.


Yeah no one wants to hear about games in a launch event.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 18:47:17
May 21 2013 18:46 GMT
#838
On May 22 2013 03:42 Sated wrote:
I'm only interested in the quality of the games. You don't need stellar graphics to make a good game, you don't need a powerful processor, you don't need to be able to multitask, you don't need any of this other stuff. That other stuff is cool, sure, but you don't need it to make a good game, and I am only interested in the games.

People who are more interested in how the console works are kinda missing the point. It's like a kid who can't enjoy a game of football because they're not wearing the most expensive boots or don't have the latest ball or team strip or whatever...

The games are mostly on both systems though, so of course people are interested in which one is going to run them better.

It's not "will TES6 look good or have good gameplay?", it's "which console is going to make my TES6 look and run better?"
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
May 21 2013 18:47 GMT
#839
On May 22 2013 03:38 TealLurker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 03:30 Thinasy wrote:
On May 22 2013 03:22 Doodsmack wrote:
lol this thread is so full of people with a preconceived bias against consoles. "Hey guys I'm gonna point out the things I like about PC that consoles still won't have...my post is worthwhile, trust me."


Well if they didnt want the comments, they probably shouldnt have made a whole show about multitasking on a game console, the same kind of multitasking my computer with windows 98 probably could pull off. They didnt show ANY game footage at all, just some prerendered fugly shit.

And I think this encapsulates the entire argument about the Xbox One here. If a large number of people in this thread are going to stick to this notion that it is solely a gaming console, then you are misguided. Microsoft is targeting a broader market and I knew going into this that whatever the new console was going to be was going to be an entertainment system that happens to play games. As for the lack of gaming footage, are people that impatient that they can't wait for E3? It isn't too far off. They just want MS to blow their entire wad right now? I would've liked more than they offered for sure, but get a grip people.


But since when have their E3 conferences been particularly substantial? Also, who exactly ARE they targeting? I'm still not sure what this all-in-one thing is all about. I don't understand the selling point of "watch your cable subscription...through our $300 box!" Because that's what they showed...that you can use the Xbox as a voice activated remote control, and that you can use Internet Explorer on it.

What exactly does this expensive new thing do that makes it worth dropping a large amount of money and a subscription fee on? Particularly something unique, or something that isn't achievable on current platforms including smart phones and laptops.
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
May 21 2013 18:48 GMT
#840
On May 21 2013 19:46 Martijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 15:57 Jayson X wrote:
This

*snip*

pretty much killed consoles for me entirely. I play on 3 Monitors or connect to my epson beamer in the other room over wireless hdmi.


Really? I love the controller. I like having the keypad on it to add even more weight. PS3 controller is too light for my taste and their keypad goes on top which pulls the controller out of my hands rather than in to them. I think it's mostly personal preference in any case.


Haha no don't get me wrong I hook it up to my PC. I think it's one of the best controllers ever done.
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