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On May 22 2013 03:26 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:22 Doodsmack wrote:
lol this thread is so full of people with a preconceived bias against consoles. "Hey guys I'm gonna point out the things I like about PC that consoles still won't have...my post is worthwhile, trust me." I was expecting a console that pales in comparison to any decent PC. I was still very disappointed. The emphasis on TV is just completely misplaced, and it looks to be catering to the frat-boy COD/Madden crowd. Thoroughly unappealing.
dont the graphics get better as the system gets more figured out?
thats how it seemed to me with all console; they try to pull magic trying to get good graphics at the same time keeping prices low. i honestly dont understand how people would expect a system that can run crysis 3 at max setting for less than $600 
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On May 22 2013 03:26 Serpico wrote:
So Europeans, how relevant are the TV aspects of the console to you? I've heard TV is generally not a thing in Europe (as in a really popular living room activity). Is it basically MS saying "We're just going to try and dominate NA and everything else is whatever."
It's huge in England. And it's arguably better here because we suffer far less adverts than the US. For example, when watching NFL, you guys get an ad break every single game stop. We on the other hand, get pundits talking about the game whilst the Americans are being forced to watch and endless stream of repetitive adverts. Of course most of the good shows are made in the US but there is plenty of stuff here in the UK. Although we are probably included in the NA target market you speak of. We are kind of different from the rest of Europe.
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On May 22 2013 03:18 Doodsmack wrote:
Obviously the commentary in this thread is from hardcore PC gamers only, but you can't deny that Microsoft has the potential to make bank with this. Interactive TV series and NFL partnership hold great potential in the US. Those two things are not gimmicks. The fact that this is a platform, with open-ended potential could mean it will be able to do great, innovative things not too far down the road (the same is true of PS4 really). Overall, Microsoft and Sony are trying to innovate in the world of consoles - and they're putting out the best ideas that are currently in vogue. It's better than just a new box with upgraded hardware.
I own a gaming pc, an Xbox 360, and a PS3 so I wouldn't call myself a hardcore PC gamer, though it is my favourite platform to play a certain types of games (whilst playing console-oriented games like Assassin's Creed or exclusives on the consoles). For a few of us outside the US (and some other countries), none of these will be available, (just like Netflix!) so we obviously can't help but feel disappointed. Hell, Microsoft thinks my country is part of North Africa....(not that PS Store is accessible either...)
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On May 22 2013 03:22 Doodsmack wrote:
lol this thread is so full of people with a preconceived bias against consoles. "Hey guys I'm gonna point out the things I like about PC that consoles still won't have...my post is worthwhile, trust me."
Well if they didnt want the comments, they probably shouldnt have made a whole show about multitasking on a game console, the same kind of multitasking my computer with windows 98 probably could pull off. They didnt show ANY game footage at all, just some prerendered fugly shit.
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Im not really get the point how this console will work with my tv in germany.
Have USA soemthing different than europeans?:x
Connecting my xbox with my receiver?
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Always Online?
There’s one feature of Xbox One from which we can infer quite a few conclusions: You can install any game from the disc to the console’s hard drive, and then play that game whenever you like without having to put the disc in.
Wired asked Microsoft if installation would be mandatory. “On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play,” the company responded in an emailed statement. Sounds mandatory to us.
What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner.
Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc.
But what if a second person simply wanted to put the disc in and play the game without installing – and without paying extra? In other words, what happens to our traditional concept of a “used game”? This is a question for which Microsoft did not yet have an answer, and is surely something that game buyers (as well as renters and lenders) will want to know.
And what of the persistent rumors that Xbox One games will be “always online” – that is, that single-player games would require a constant online connection to function? As it turns out, those rumors were not unfounded, but the reality is not so draconian. Xbox One will give game developers the ability to create games that use Microsoft’s Azure cloud computing service, which means that they might be able to offload certain computing tasks to the cloud rather than process them on the Xbox One hardware itself. This would necessitate the game requiring a connection.
Are developers forced to create games that have these online features, and are thus not playable offline? They are not, Xbox exec Whitten said to Wired — but “I hope they do.” So the always-online future may come in incremental steps.
So it's looking like the always-on rumors have been shot down, but not the rumors of MS trying to kill used sales and rentals.
Source: Wired
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On May 22 2013 03:29 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:26 Serpico wrote:
So Europeans, how relevant are the TV aspects of the console to you? I've heard TV is generally not a thing in Europe (as in a really popular living room activity). Is it basically MS saying "We're just going to try and dominate NA and everything else is whatever." It's huge in England. And it's arguably better here because we suffer far less adverts than the US. For example, when watching NFL, you guys get an ad break every single game stop. We on the other hand, get pundits talking about the game whilst the Americans are being forced to watch and endless stream of repetitive adverts. Of course most of the good shows are made in the US but there is plenty of stuff here in the UK. Although we are probably included in the NA target market you speak of. We are kind of different from the rest of Europe.
England seems much different culturally from mainland Europe, but it makes sense. The UK was always the outlier in terms of how well MS did there, but culturally they're an outlier as well compared to a lot of Europe. I'm thinking MS is essentially ratcheting up the pressure to capture the same market they already had.
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On May 22 2013 03:28 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:26 Yaotzin wrote:On May 22 2013 03:22 Doodsmack wrote:
lol this thread is so full of people with a preconceived bias against consoles. "Hey guys I'm gonna point out the things I like about PC that consoles still won't have...my post is worthwhile, trust me." I was expecting a console that pales in comparison to any decent PC. I was still very disappointed. The emphasis on TV is just completely misplaced, and it looks to be catering to the frat-boy COD/Madden crowd. Thoroughly unappealing. dont the graphics get better as the system gets more figured out? thats how it seemed to me with all console; they try to pull magic trying to get good graphics at the same time keeping prices low. i honestly dont understand how people would expect a system that can run crysis 3 at max setting for less than $600
I'm really interested to see what developers will do with the increased performance this coming console generation. It still baffles me that Oblivion and Skyrim were both released on the same console, yet there is an obvious increase in graphical fidelity between the two games.
Of course, console games still won't look as good as PC games on a fully decked-out PC, but at least moving forward to the next console generation should remove some of the technical crutches that have been holding back cross-platform games.
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TV features might be nice if we actually had any decent TV here. We don't even have most of our stuff as HD (720p or higher). Internet streams like Netflix are the way to go here.
I haven't opened my TV in at least a year, so TV features are very meh to me.
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On May 22 2013 03:28 jinorazi wrote:
dont the graphics get better as the system gets more figured out?
They learn to optimize more and more, sure. And by the time they have, the console graphics will again look like ass compared to current PCs. I'm more pleased that the architecture is merging, making ports much easier. Xbox one & PS4 will be little different to a PC.
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On May 22 2013 03:23 GogoKodo wrote:
Everyone knows that it's going to have games and with E3 coming up right away I think it completely makes sense that they didn't cover a lot of games. They have a new box with a bunch of features they want people to know about, where else besides the reveal event should they show all that stuff? That said there was a few things they could cut like the Halo TV series. About what I was expecting overall.
Agreed. Sony did the same, but they announced more games at their event in February. Their conference was much longer too. It makes sense for the two to show off the console's capabilities and features first, and then bust out the games later. Now that they got some of the features out of the way, they can focus more on the games at this upcoming E3. I'm sure they have some more features they are going to announce at E3 and upcoming events such as Gamescom, PAX Prime, and the Tokyo game Show.
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On May 22 2013 03:28 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:26 Yaotzin wrote:On May 22 2013 03:22 Doodsmack wrote:
lol this thread is so full of people with a preconceived bias against consoles. "Hey guys I'm gonna point out the things I like about PC that consoles still won't have...my post is worthwhile, trust me." I was expecting a console that pales in comparison to any decent PC. I was still very disappointed. The emphasis on TV is just completely misplaced, and it looks to be catering to the frat-boy COD/Madden crowd. Thoroughly unappealing. dont the graphics get better as the system gets more figured out? thats how it seemed to me with all console; they try to pull magic trying to get good graphics at the same time keeping prices low. i honestly dont understand how people would expect a system that can run crysis 3 at max setting for less than $600
They do and specifically the first party games in that regard since those are exclusives and are entirely focused on one console and not at all on porting. The specs of the Xbox 360 were hardly impressive yet my gaming PC from 7 years ago (which was new because I bought it when I bought an xbox) could probably not have handled halo 4 and considering I spent about 3-4x as much on the PC that's an impressive statement.
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Dangg this thing looks SWEET!!
graphics seems so awesome and that motion sensor seems sweet as well
only gripe is that it looks a bit too 90s VCR (LOL!!!).
i would have prefered a more rounded / sleek physical design, but hardware wise, i am very excited to get my hands on one of these puppies and have my mind blown
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On May 22 2013 03:26 Serpico wrote:
So Europeans, how relevant are the TV aspects of the console to you? I've heard TV is generally not a thing in Europe (as in a really popular living room activity). Is it basically MS saying "We're just going to try and dominate NA and everything else is whatever."
Well the entire presentation was heavily NA focused, so I'd assume that was their goal from the beginning. NFL/NBA partnerships means absolutely nothing to us and you're right, in general, Europeans are not that fussed about watching TV.
We use the internet heavily to watch shows when and where we want to these days. So being able to change channel via voice command and look up digital TV guides is just nothing really. Bandwidth is not a problem for a lot of Europeans and we have a great deal of digital mediums providing most TV on-the-go.
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On May 22 2013 03:26 Serpico wrote:
So Europeans, how relevant are the TV aspects of the console to you? I've heard TV is generally not a thing in Europe (as in a really popular living room activity). Is it basically MS saying "We're just going to try and dominate NA and everything else is whatever."
Zero, in my case. It's been months since I turned on the TV, to be honest. I've got better stuff to do than watch boring shows all evening long. AFAIK, most of my friends regard both the xbox360 and ps3 as gaming devices, not entertainment platforms. If MS or Sony would strip those consoles of all the features except voice communication, gaming and achievements, noone I know would care.
On a personal level: no Halo or Gears of War release video, which was disappointing. Those franchises are the only reason I own an xbox360. The rest is PC gaming. PC hardware has matured a lot over the years. I'm actually able to play almost every game that comes out on relatively crap hardware (4 gigs of DDR2 ram, an amd tri-core processor and a budget HD7770). Can't play on the highest settings, but even on medium games look amazing nowadays.
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On May 22 2013 03:26 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:22 Doodsmack wrote:
lol this thread is so full of people with a preconceived bias against consoles. "Hey guys I'm gonna point out the things I like about PC that consoles still won't have...my post is worthwhile, trust me." I was expecting a console that pales in comparison to any decent PC. I was still very disappointed. The emphasis on TV is just completely misplaced, and it looks to be catering to the frat-boy COD/Madden crowd. Thoroughly unappealing. Still waiting for someone to give the TV scene the shakeup it needs so badly.
unappealing to you but the 'frat-boy' crowd is huge and its good business for them.
What is weird is sony tried the whole media thing with the PS3 and that failed pretty hard but I think it fits better with how technology and media and stuff works these days
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On May 22 2013 03:32 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:28 jinorazi wrote:
dont the graphics get better as the system gets more figured out?
They learn to optimize more and more, sure. And by the time they have, the console graphics will again look like ass compared to current PCs. I'm more pleased that the architecture is merging, making ports much easier. Xbox one & PS4 will be little different to a PC.
I think we are beyond the point with this generation where things will look bad on one or other. We were almost beyond it last generation and with this generation I think games are going to look about as good as we need them to look so hopefully they can get back to focusing on the good game part.
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According to an exclusive look at the Xbox One by Wired, you'll have to install games to the console's hard drive to play them. Following the installation process, you'll be able to boot games up without the disc at all, and they'll be tied to your Xbox Live account.
Source
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On May 22 2013 03:33 Resilient wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:26 Serpico wrote:
So Europeans, how relevant are the TV aspects of the console to you? I've heard TV is generally not a thing in Europe (as in a really popular living room activity). Is it basically MS saying "We're just going to try and dominate NA and everything else is whatever." Well the entire presentation was heavily NA focused, so I'd assume that was their goal from the beginning. NFL/NBA partnerships means absolutely nothing to us and you're right, in general, Europeans are not that fussed about watching TV. We use the internet heavily to watch shows when and where we want to these days. So being able to change channel via voice command and look up digital TV guides is just nothing really. Bandwidth is not a problem for a lot of Europeans and we have a great deal of digital mediums providing most TV on-the-go.
I wouldn't say NA focus, but USA focus.
They did a better job than Sony imo, games will be announced at E3.
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Yup, that does it for me then.
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