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On May 22 2013 04:07 GogoKodo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 04:03 PureLuckz wrote:
The presentation was too heavy on the features and too light on the games. I get they are waiting for E3, but this presentation seems to be designed for the general populace instead of gamers. The entire reveal basically shows a next generation cable box with an subscription service (Xbox Live) and a nice new TV remote controller (the Kinnect). Targeting the general populace for this event makes total sense. It was put on TV and regular media will pick it up and have lots of things to talk about. If they just showed a bunch of games general news outlets wouldn't really have much to say about it. More hardcore gamers are the type of people that will look up news on games and follow along more closely whenever new games are announced. The "casual" gaming crowd needs events like this, and they are actually the bigger audience for Microsoft to sell to.
What part of the "general populace" would tune into something showing off a video game console? Nobody.
Media and TV talked about the Sony conference, and they managed to show off games. The "casual" crowd doesn't watch E3 or these conferences. They might get the news from a website afterwards, but they don't watch the actual show.
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On May 22 2013 04:07 Chronos. wrote:
The name is about as bad as possible... it seems game companies are just terrible at making decent names nowadays. Wii U, PS Vita, now Xbox One. Even games like Pokemon X & Y.
Anyone, was not at all impressed by the actual system. I'll be sticking to PC / PS4 most likely, and will get a Wii U eventually since Nintendo just makes too many good first party games.
true haha, HTC One and now M$ One. How lazy are they? Come on think of some cool names and sort it out instead of just plain One.
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On May 22 2013 04:09 Yaotzin wrote:
Casual gamers play Bejeweled and Farmville. If they buy a console it's a Wii. They certainly don't buy Xboxs and Playstations. And MS isn't targetting them because they don't make games that those people care about.
There is a giant audience that might buy a couple sports games a year and an fps or 2 a year. They don't follow game news and don't participate in game forums. I'd put those people down as casuals.
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On May 22 2013 04:03 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 04:01 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:57 Greentellon wrote:On May 22 2013 03:56 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:54 Serpico wrote:
People need to remember that the xbox was expected to have DD3 ram and not GDDR5. That's a huge difference, I wonder if they changed it like Sony. The rumor I read was that the Xbox will have dedicated GPU memory and that the PS4 is shared memory. How does shared vs dedicated affect performance? Is shared better? Dedicated GPU memory means that the GPU has its own memory that is separate from the system memory. So shared memory isn't better, it means you can't do as much with the system. How so?
The system will be able to have more processes running with dedicated GPU memory. The only thing I don't know is how different DDR3 memory and GDDR5 memory, so It could end up where they get the same performance. But assuming they aren't drastically different, the new Xbox will be able to do more.
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Ps1 - wins.
Ps2 / Xbox - Ps2 wins
PS3 / 360 - I'd say ps3 but call it a draw for the sake of fanboys.
Ps4 - Wins.
Gtfo out of here with your greedy always online DRM no reselling games extra $200 for offline bullshit.
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Not backwards compatible, tons of media and cable stuff attached that won't be available to use outside of US for at least a year, focus on Kinect/social media integration.
I'm out. PC master race it is. The Wii will be the last bought console for me unless Sony manages to impress me hugely.
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On May 22 2013 04:10 GogoKodo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 04:09 Yaotzin wrote:
Casual gamers play Bejeweled and Farmville. If they buy a console it's a Wii. They certainly don't buy Xboxs and Playstations. And MS isn't targetting them because they don't make games that those people care about. There is a giant audience that might buy a couple sports games a year and an fps or 2 a year. They don't follow game news and don't participate in game forums. I'd put those people down as casuals.
I don't know if those people exist, but if they do they're a stupid market to pursue. MS wants people who will play regularly enough to buy Live subs, and who buy as many (MS exclusive preferably) games as possible. It's not like they make much money on the consoles themselves, after all.
And I wouldn't call anyone who buys a Live sub a casual, myself.
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XBOX One is amazing, I'm ready to work for a new toy (and TV.)
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Right now there's a #XboxReveal Recap with Major Nelson and other people involved with the contruction of the new console but their not really saying much.
http://www.twitch.tv/xbox
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On May 22 2013 04:10 SiNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:13 nihlon wrote:On May 22 2013 03:06 SushilS wrote:On May 22 2013 03:03 Hey Sean. wrote:On May 22 2013 03:02 SushilS wrote:
I think this is the first time for a lotta you seeing a press release... This is how it goes.. stop hating and look to the future,..,, It seems good! It's terrible. It's below 2006 E3. There were games there at least. This has been 90% TV and then just one audience. You can't get much more fanboy than you've been posting like. LOOOOL Comparing a E3 with this... OMG just goes to show I guess... Please compare E3 with this years E3... Thats where you'll see games and such... seriously you guys... Sigh... -_- You shouldn't blame viewers because Microsoft don't know how to make a proper launch show. If you actually think this was good I don't know what to say. Yes comparing it to E3 is dumb, so is the way Microsoft barely mentioned games other than Call of Duty. You basically learned nothing from this launch show other than it's basically an elaborate smart-tv. It did exactly what it was supposed to do which was reveal the new Xbox. What more do you want? It's not E3 or any other gamer convention, this is a reveal by Microsoft so that people know what to expect when E3 comes around. Everyone here that's bitching about how this was "terrible" are probably the same people who sign contracts without reading the fine print and wonder why they aren't getting what they expected.
Nice twisted logic there. My ability to read fine print have nothing to do with the event being bad but nice backhanded insult... It was bad for a bunch of different reason other than barely mentioning the ability to play games on it. And going by your own logic I can just as easily say that someone with as low standards as yourself are the same people that are prone to skip over the fine print without reading and then defend the company when they use it to screw you in the ass. C'est la vie or something...
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On May 22 2013 04:11 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 04:03 Serpico wrote:On May 22 2013 04:01 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:57 Greentellon wrote:On May 22 2013 03:56 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 03:54 Serpico wrote:
People need to remember that the xbox was expected to have DD3 ram and not GDDR5. That's a huge difference, I wonder if they changed it like Sony. The rumor I read was that the Xbox will have dedicated GPU memory and that the PS4 is shared memory. How does shared vs dedicated affect performance? Is shared better? Dedicated GPU memory means that the GPU has its own memory that is separate from the system memory. So shared memory isn't better, it means you can't do as much with the system. How so? The system will be able to have more processes running with dedicated GPU memory. The only thing I don't know is how different DDR3 memory and GDDR5 memory, so It could end up where they get the same performance. But assuming they aren't drastically different, the new Xbox will be able to do more.
GDDR is significantly faster than DDR. Even if the shared vs dedicated is true, I'd bank on the PS4 getting comfortably more performance in that area.
The GDDR news was very surprising because high amounts of GDDR have always been the preserve of high-end graphics cards. The stuff is quite a bit more expensive.
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On May 22 2013 04:10 SiNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 03:13 nihlon wrote:On May 22 2013 03:06 SushilS wrote:On May 22 2013 03:03 Hey Sean. wrote:On May 22 2013 03:02 SushilS wrote:
I think this is the first time for a lotta you seeing a press release... This is how it goes.. stop hating and look to the future,..,, It seems good! It's terrible. It's below 2006 E3. There were games there at least. This has been 90% TV and then just one audience. You can't get much more fanboy than you've been posting like. LOOOOL Comparing a E3 with this... OMG just goes to show I guess... Please compare E3 with this years E3... Thats where you'll see games and such... seriously you guys... Sigh... -_- You shouldn't blame viewers because Microsoft don't know how to make a proper launch show. If you actually think this was good I don't know what to say. Yes comparing it to E3 is dumb, so is the way Microsoft barely mentioned games other than Call of Duty. You basically learned nothing from this launch show other than it's basically an elaborate smart-tv. It did exactly what it was supposed to do which was reveal the new Xbox. What more do you want? It's not E3 or any other gamer convention, this is a reveal by Microsoft so that people know what to expect when E3 comes around. Everyone here that's bitching about how this was "terrible" are probably the same people who sign contracts without reading the fine print and wonder why they aren't getting what they expected.
It was terrible because they rammed so many corporate buzzwords down our throats that middle managers around the world jizzed their pants. And games stuff aside, the media stuff they revealed is like...not new. Not new at all. Really?! A fucking TV guide is one of their touted features?!
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On May 22 2013 04:07 GogoKodo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 04:03 PureLuckz wrote:
The presentation was too heavy on the features and too light on the games. I get they are waiting for E3, but this presentation seems to be designed for the general populace instead of gamers. The entire reveal basically shows a next generation cable box with an subscription service (Xbox Live) and a nice new TV remote controller (the Kinnect). Targeting the general populace for this event makes total sense. It was put on TV and regular media will pick it up and have lots of things to talk about. If they just showed a bunch of games general news outlets wouldn't really have much to say about it. More hardcore gamers are the type of people that will look up news on games and follow along more closely whenever new games are announced. The "casual" gaming crowd needs events like this, and they are actually the bigger audience for Microsoft to sell to.
Right, and the feedback we are witnessing is overwhelmingly positive.
This was a marketing shambles by MS. Let's not take your typical COD/EA sports adolescent for complete and utter fools either, even they won't be excited by moar cod.
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On May 22 2013 04:13 Capped wrote:Sony 3 MS 0 + Show Spoiler +
Ps1 - wins.
Ps2 / Xbox - Ps2 wins
PS3 / 360 - I'd say ps3 but call it a draw for the sake of fanboys.
Ps4 - Wins.
Gtfo out of here with your greedy always online DRM no reselling games extra $200 for offline bullshit.
Ummmm.........you seem to be a fanboy of PS. Also, they haven't confirmed always on, and from everything I've read, it's not going to be always on.
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Oh look, a next gen cable box.
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On May 22 2013 04:14 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 04:10 GogoKodo wrote:On May 22 2013 04:09 Yaotzin wrote:
Casual gamers play Bejeweled and Farmville. If they buy a console it's a Wii. They certainly don't buy Xboxs and Playstations. And MS isn't targetting them because they don't make games that those people care about. There is a giant audience that might buy a couple sports games a year and an fps or 2 a year. They don't follow game news and don't participate in game forums. I'd put those people down as casuals. I don't know if those people exist, but if they do they're a stupid market to pursue. MS wants people who will play regularly enough to buy Live subs, and who buy as many (MS exclusive preferably) games as possible. It's not like they make much money on the consoles themselves, after all. And I wouldn't call anyone who buys a Live sub a casual, myself.
I actually know quite a few of those people. I'd go as far as saying that they make up the larger part of the console demographic.
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Think I'm done with consoles. This generation looks beyond disappointing. The 'social networking' bubble is already cracking, I don't know why this would be the flagship feature for this generation.
Reminds me of the idiocy that Blizzard pushed with that 'SC2 has Facebook but no chat rooms' crap back in Beta. That sure worked out well...
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On May 22 2013 04:15 s3rp wrote:Right now there's a #XboxReveal Recap with Major Nelson and other people involved with the contruction of the new console but their not really saying much. http://www.twitch.tv/xbox
just tuned in, already more interesting than the press conference
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On May 22 2013 04:20 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 04:13 Capped wrote:Sony 3 MS 0 + Show Spoiler +
Ps1 - wins.
Ps2 / Xbox - Ps2 wins
PS3 / 360 - I'd say ps3 but call it a draw for the sake of fanboys.
Ps4 - Wins.
Gtfo out of here with your greedy always online DRM no reselling games extra $200 for offline bullshit. Ummmm.........you seem to be a fanboy of PS. Also, they haven't confirmed always on, and from everything I've read, it's not going to be always on.
In his defence, PS1 wins by default, original xbox came too late to really compete (unless you really love Halo) and I don't even care about PS3/Xbox360 anymore, this gen has gone on too long.
And it's confirmed for NOT always online. But you can't buy used games anymore. You need to install the games onto the console to play, and it's limited installs. That alone is awful.
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On May 22 2013 04:23 Hey Sean. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 04:20 Ercster wrote:On May 22 2013 04:13 Capped wrote:Sony 3 MS 0 + Show Spoiler +
Ps1 - wins.
Ps2 / Xbox - Ps2 wins
PS3 / 360 - I'd say ps3 but call it a draw for the sake of fanboys.
Ps4 - Wins.
Gtfo out of here with your greedy always online DRM no reselling games extra $200 for offline bullshit. Ummmm.........you seem to be a fanboy of PS. Also, they haven't confirmed always on, and from everything I've read, it's not going to be always on. In his defence, PS1 wins by default, original xbox came too late to really compete (unless you really love Halo) and I don't even care about PS3/Xbox360 anymore, this gen has gone on too long. And it's confirmed for NOT always online. But you can't buy used games anymore. You need to install the games onto the console to play, and it's limited installs. That alone is awful.
I think that source that was linked also says that MS will let other people install the game on their console, but they will have to pay some fee or something to install it.
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