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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 31 2013 00:30 GMT
#4161
On May 31 2013 09:11 DystopiaX wrote:
Any little bit helps though.

And you can't say that their size isn't an advantage when they're scoring at such a high rate off post up chances. That's part of the reason Indiana is scoring so efficiently, because they adapted to Miami's defensive scheme and in the last game at least found a way to get the ball to Hibbert/West in the post fairly consistently despite Miami's attempts to front them.

It's not that it isn't an advantage. Here's a silly SC2 analogy (which may no longer be relevant since I haven't watched in a while D: ).

In MVP vs MKP, we know MKP has an advantage in micro. With his bad wrists, there's nothing MVP can do to match MKP's micro advantage so he just has to control it and make sure the advantage MKP gets from his micro is smaller than the advantage MVP gets from his macro and decision making. In this series, MVP's macro has been below average and about equal or worse than MKP's macro. Yes, MKP's micro is better, but it's not the deciding factor.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 31 2013 00:31 GMT
#4162
On May 31 2013 09:27 aNGryaRchon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 09:25 Jibba wrote:
I think Hibbert and West are a problem for the Heat and defending them is taking its toll on guys like Battier, but I don't think it's what's tipping Indiana over the edge. We knew Indiana had that advantage and the Heat have learned to deal with size series after series. It's certainly one of the Heat's weakest points, but they expected it and they're usually pretty good at mitigating it. Plus, there's just not much they can do with their roster to deal with it.

What's killing them is Wade and Allen getting outplayed by Hill and Stephenson in the losses. Neither has been good on offense and they've been uncharacteristically bad on defense as well. Yes, the Pacers are better than the Heat inside, but they planned for that. What they didn't plan for is Hill matching Wade's production and Allen going 9/32. Battier has also been crap, but he's in kind of an unfair position against West and he's not the type of player you expect to play well on both sides of the ball anyways.

I think when Wade and Allen play well, the Heat have a clear advantage. It's why I'm still not comfortable with giving Indiana an edge in the series. Even though he's been unreliable, I think Wade is still far more reliable than Stephenson and Hill, so I expect him to have 4 good games this series (which will all be wins.)

I hope Chalmers gets some of Allen's playtime tonight, though.

what happened to battier this series. he seems invisible?


At the very least he is in the Pacer's heads. They can't seem to stop talking about him.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 31 2013 00:32 GMT
#4163
On May 31 2013 09:27 aNGryaRchon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 09:25 Jibba wrote:
I think Hibbert and West are a problem for the Heat and defending them is taking its toll on guys like Battier, but I don't think it's what's tipping Indiana over the edge. We knew Indiana had that advantage and the Heat have learned to deal with size series after series. It's certainly one of the Heat's weakest points, but they expected it and they're usually pretty good at mitigating it. Plus, there's just not much they can do with their roster to deal with it.

What's killing them is Wade and Allen getting outplayed by Hill and Stephenson in the losses. Neither has been good on offense and they've been uncharacteristically bad on defense as well. Yes, the Pacers are better than the Heat inside, but they planned for that. What they didn't plan for is Hill matching Wade's production and Allen going 9/32. Battier has also been crap, but he's in kind of an unfair position against West and he's not the type of player you expect to play well on both sides of the ball anyways.

I think when Wade and Allen play well, the Heat have a clear advantage. It's why I'm still not comfortable with giving Indiana an edge in the series. Even though he's been unreliable, I think Wade is still far more reliable than Stephenson and Hill, so I expect him to have 4 good games this series (which will all be wins.)

I hope Chalmers gets some of Allen's playtime tonight, though.

what happened to battier this series. he seems invisible?

He's an old man, and he's being forced to guard a guy who has at least 30lbs on him.
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Intact
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden634 Posts
May 31 2013 00:36 GMT
#4164
Worst opening ever?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 31 2013 00:43 GMT
#4165
Doesn't the 8 second timer begin as soon as the ball is inbounded, not when the shot clock is started? Just a small thing, but I think the Heat got away with one there by at least a couple of seconds.
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Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 00:46:34
May 31 2013 00:46 GMT
#4166
On May 31 2013 09:43 Jibba wrote:
Doesn't the 8 second timer begin as soon as the ball is inbounded, not when the shot clock is started? Just a small thing, but I think the Heat got away with one there by at least a couple of seconds.

Shot clock is started once a player touches the ball. Which is why you sometimes see them let the ball roll almost all the way to halfcourt before picking it up.
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aNGryaRchon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States438 Posts
May 31 2013 00:46 GMT
#4167
Regarding the flopping, I say the official NBA vid on YT, and it seems that they have thoroughly thought it through, including what is punishable and what is not, the latter consist mostly of "justifiable" flopping to only to emphasize the foul but do not affect the flow and outcome of play. Nonetheless, I think they need harsher penalties. As it is, they have it at 5k 1st offense, 10k 2nd, 15k 3rd, and 25k 4th or something like that. They should make it 1st offense: 10k and warning. 2nd: 20k and technical foul; 3rd offense: 50k, technical foul, and 5 game suspension. Succeeding flops subject to harsher punishments. NBA will become European football in terms of flops and actors if we dont stop this soon enough.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 00:57:26
May 31 2013 00:51 GMT
#4168
On May 31 2013 09:46 Hrrrrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 09:43 Jibba wrote:
Doesn't the 8 second timer begin as soon as the ball is inbounded, not when the shot clock is started? Just a small thing, but I think the Heat got away with one there by at least a couple of seconds.

Shot clock is started once a player touches the ball. Which is why you sometimes see them let the ball roll almost all the way to halfcourt before picking it up.

I know that. I'm saying the Heat got the ball over at the 18 second mark, but they let the ball roll for more than two seconds. I think the refs were waiting for the shot clock to hit 15, rather than counting the 8 seconds from the inbounds.

The rule says:
A team shall not be in continuous possession of a ball which is in its backcourt for more than 8 consecutive seconds.

Even though the clock doesn't start automatically, I believe the team has possession from an inbounds even if the ball isn't touched. The rest of the rule just says the ball can't be in their half of the court for more than 8 seconds, not that the shotclock has to be running for 8 seconds.
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Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
May 31 2013 00:52 GMT
#4169
On May 31 2013 09:46 aNGryaRchon wrote:
Regarding the flopping, I say the official NBA vid on YT, and it seems that they have thoroughly thought it through, including what is punishable and what is not, the latter consist mostly of "justifiable" flopping to only to emphasize the foul but do not affect the flow and outcome of play. Nonetheless, I think they need harsher penalties. As it is, they have it at 5k 1st offense, 10k 2nd, 15k 3rd, and 25k 4th or something like that. They should make it 1st offense: 10k and warning. 2nd: 20k and technical foul; 3rd offense: 50k, technical foul, and 5 game suspension. Succeeding flops subject to harsher punishments. NBA will become European football in terms of flops and actors if we dont stop this soon enough.


No amount of fine is going to deter a player from flopping in the playoffs to potentially get their team an advantage. Until they make the punishments(immediate ejection/free throws + possession) immediately in the game players will continue to flop. Even then nothing will stop a player from flopping in the final seconds of a game to win it unless the NBA would retroactively remove points, which they will never do.

Players do not care about the money in the playoffs, they will only care if a flop will have a negative impact in the immediate game.
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Intact
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden634 Posts
May 31 2013 00:54 GMT
#4170
Turnover City, Fl.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
May 31 2013 00:57 GMT
#4171
Chalmers needs a fine for that, pretending to be badly injured, gets up and hits a 3
Yhamm is the god of predictions
SpiritAshura
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1271 Posts
May 31 2013 00:57 GMT
#4172
Paul George, that's what's up...nah, don't need to run a play. I'll just shoot another 3 a few feet behind the line.

Lebron is gonna take this over eventually I think, but it's gonna have to be jump shots. I can't imagine Miami blowing game 5 at home...
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 00:59:40
May 31 2013 00:59 GMT
#4173
On May 31 2013 09:57 Scarecrow wrote:
Chalmers needs a fine for that, pretending to be badly injured, gets up and hits a 3


To be fair, I feel most injured when it comes to running back on D, and least injured when I have the ball in my hands.

Imagine the basketball as a white ball of healing light. That's right, the ball itself...is a white ball of healing light.
sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States749 Posts
May 31 2013 01:03 GMT
#4174
Can anyone message me a stream for the current game?
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13425 Posts
May 31 2013 01:03 GMT
#4175
T Rob going to be traded again? Guy's almost at the end of the road in the NBA if he can't start producing.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
May 31 2013 01:05 GMT
#4176
Noone's scored outside of George and Hibbert lol
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
May 31 2013 01:05 GMT
#4177
White on white violence.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
May 31 2013 01:06 GMT
#4178
Anderson should be ejected.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
May 31 2013 01:08 GMT
#4179
On May 31 2013 10:06 Scarecrow wrote:
Anderson should be ejected.


Nah. It's nothing.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 31 2013 01:09 GMT
#4180
I hope this series goes 7 games. So so entertaining.
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