• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:53
CEST 16:53
KST 23:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup4StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)66Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2315
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Awesome/Confusing SC2 BM [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site BSL Season 23 Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BW General Discussion Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7839 users

Fighting Games 2013-14 [FGC] - Page 45

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 43 44 45 46 47 60 Next
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12257 Posts
February 07 2014 16:28 GMT
#881
On February 07 2014 20:02 Dybdal wrote:
Its really a shame that it had to come to this point with no Tekken at EVO but i think Mr Wizard has had to been looking at the crowd support for the game and realised that there were better options out there.

It just seems to me that the fall of the 3D games has much more to do with how the ones playing the game presented it to the general public more so than the game it self, everything is presented in directions and numbers like Back2+3 and as someone who dosnt know what the hell that means, that makes it really hard to learn the game without playing it yourself. I can remember watching the first EVO SF4 event without ever having touched a fighting game and within the stream hitting the finals i was able to couchcoach the game, noticing when players made mistakes but regardless of how much i watched Tekken i still didnt understand what the hell was going on and why the person winning.. was winnning if that makes sense?

Oh and on that note.. Injustice again? sigh.. that game is so borring


Only Tekken has the Back+2+3 notation as far as I'm aware. Soulcalibur and Virtua Fighter both use anime notation of direction(number)+button(letter).

As for watching and following Tekken, it's certainly a lot more nuanced than Street Fighter because of the 3D movement and constant close quarters, but a lot of it has to do with how the commentators present it. Back when Filthierich was at Namco he did a great job of breaking down the mechanics as they happened for new players and was able to bring hype at the same time. Also, Tekken 6 had a lot more balance issues and wasn't as fun to watch as Tekken Tag 2.
Moderator
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
February 07 2014 17:43 GMT
#882
Injustice and MK also use the same notation as Tekken. It's annoying for about a week, but you get used to it. People say the same thing about anime notation, but I hardly think any notation is the downfall of a genre. The downfall of 3D games is that they're slow and not very flashy.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Dybdal
Profile Joined July 2005
Denmark67 Posts
February 07 2014 18:19 GMT
#883
On February 08 2014 01:28 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 20:02 Dybdal wrote:
Its really a shame that it had to come to this point with no Tekken at EVO but i think Mr Wizard has had to been looking at the crowd support for the game and realised that there were better options out there.

It just seems to me that the fall of the 3D games has much more to do with how the ones playing the game presented it to the general public more so than the game it self, everything is presented in directions and numbers like Back2+3 and as someone who dosnt know what the hell that means, that makes it really hard to learn the game without playing it yourself. I can remember watching the first EVO SF4 event without ever having touched a fighting game and within the stream hitting the finals i was able to couchcoach the game, noticing when players made mistakes but regardless of how much i watched Tekken i still didnt understand what the hell was going on and why the person winning.. was winnning if that makes sense?

Oh and on that note.. Injustice again? sigh.. that game is so borring


Only Tekken has the Back+2+3 notation as far as I'm aware. Soulcalibur and Virtua Fighter both use anime notation of direction(number)+button(letter).

As for watching and following Tekken, it's certainly a lot more nuanced than Street Fighter because of the 3D movement and constant close quarters, but a lot of it has to do with how the commentators present it. Back when Filthierich was at Namco he did a great job of breaking down the mechanics as they happened for new players and was able to bring hype at the same time. Also, Tekken 6 had a lot more balance issues and wasn't as fun to watch as Tekken Tag 2.


See i dont agree' with your assesment of FilthyRich' even him and Markman could not get me to view Tekken as being anything else than Rock-Em-Sock-Em robots with two people screaming random numbers and directions, contrast that to how everything in Street Figher has a name and is visualy easy to recognize, that makes understanding the game and whats going on alot easier for a viewer that isnt playing the game (and i would assume that 80% of an EVO stream hasnt played any of the games outside maybe SF & Meele at a casual level).

The thing is, while i didnt understand anything about Tekken back then and wasnt interrested in watching the streams it wasnt until i played the game my self for 4-5 months to try and understand whats going on. Tekken has been the only game outside of LoL that i havnt been able to grasp without playing it my self and i assume thats true for alot of people and why the game just isnt very popular to be spectated. (i enjoy watching it at majors but if i had a choich, i would pick anything above a 3D game)

But look at Meele' i have no clue whats going on in that game but the time the meele comunity takes to make sure the viewer understands the history of the game more so than how to actualy play it, makes it compelling for me to watch it at the highest level (apex & evo). To me its just random Nintendo Characters running around hitting each other but being deeply invested in the people playing it, keeps me watching.

I dont think any of the koreans or americans playing Tekken is compelling people to watch their game. For me it ends up being very technical but also very robotic (kinda like chess) there is no emotion connecting me to game even now when i do understand whats going on and i dont think any of these points are the games fualt, it falls back on a community not willing to change with the times.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
February 22 2014 00:23 GMT
#884


Haven't check it out yet, but 2 hrs of gameplay footage.
Forever Young
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-23 07:22:22
February 23 2014 07:07 GMT
#885
Lol so didn't get to compete in AE at WB8 since pools started at noon and I wasn't able to get to tournament till 2 (family priorities -_-), but went 2-2 in Kof13, with my first loss being to Romance.

Literally an honor and treat playing that guy. Quite proud of my performance too, and felt good getting the "Ooooo" and "Aww"s of the crowd when I randomly short hopped his short hop EX command grab (him Beni), and landed an EX qcb,f+PP into his (very satisfying to land) d/f+C Neomax combo (me Goro). Still lost free to his Yuri but still

Dude so nice to talk to. Got his trip paid for by some smoking/e-cig/hookah company that was selling samples/e-cigs there at venue lol.

Also say Gamerbee walking around responding to ppl by saying "Please call me Bruce :D".

I love Kof13.
Forever Young
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
February 24 2014 14:56 GMT
#886
No Soul Calibur and Tekken at this year's EVO is pretty sad. Those two have always been my most favorites fighting games since their first incarnations

As much as I try to, I can never bring myself to enjoy Street Fighter and MvC. Guess I'll just have to focus on Injustice and Blaz Blue.
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 02 2014 01:35 GMT
#887
Phoenix Wright wins. The Dream is Real.
Moderator
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
March 02 2014 01:46 GMT
#888
Yo, That Pheonix Wright / Rocket Raccoon Play was Sick as Fuck.

The Rocket Super on Dark Pheonix doe
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
March 02 2014 02:33 GMT
#889
Just a reminder that the Justin Wong vs Khaos MvC2 money match will be coming up in about an hour on http://www.twitch.tv/leveluplive. I know there are lots of MvC2 fans in this thread!
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 02:53:55
March 02 2014 02:39 GMT
#890
That money match is going to be hype as hell! Mahvel baby!

Edit: I love F. Champs pop offs!
Twitter: @KingKosi
Mitsuwa
Profile Joined July 2010
United States793 Posts
March 02 2014 03:21 GMT
#891
Can't wait to see Justin play mvc2 again. Ctrl got bodied so bad...
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
March 02 2014 04:46 GMT
#892
Yo Khaos' stick position is mad swag lol.
Fan of the Jangbanger
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
March 02 2014 04:50 GMT
#893
It's almost like Justin is kinda good at this game.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 04:52:54
March 02 2014 04:52 GMT
#894
you cant beat a god at his own game
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 02 2014 04:53 GMT
#895
Yo, Justin's too clutch.
Moderator
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 02 2014 04:56 GMT
#896
Yo, this Khaos guy needs to respect Wong factor.
Moderator
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
March 02 2014 04:57 GMT
#897
THAT SENTINEL

AINT NO WHACKBOT IN THIS SHIT.
Fan of the Jangbanger
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
March 02 2014 05:02 GMT
#898
This crowd is so ass. If this match happens in the East Coast....
Fan of the Jangbanger
porkRaven
Profile Joined December 2010
United States953 Posts
March 02 2014 05:13 GMT
#899
gg Justin, pretty fun to watch mvc2.
SHOUTOUTS TO Aylear!!!
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
March 02 2014 05:19 GMT
#900
what happened to chris g? why he get DQ in all the pools?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Prev 1 43 44 45 46 47 60 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Online Event
20:00
BamsPatch 1.0 Weekly #3
Liquipedia
CranKy Ducklings
19:00
Sea Duckling Open #150 (SHIN Mod Edition)
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 424
ProTech139
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 33116
Bisu 3109
Shuttle 1777
Hyuk 1310
EffOrt 771
Mini 691
Larva 360
Soma 290
firebathero 252
ZerO 246
[ Show more ]
Zeus 111
hero 94
Sexy 88
Last 81
Hyun 46
Mong 43
Killer 40
ToSsGirL 38
Pusan 35
Trap 32
PianO 31
Aegong 27
Bale 24
Hm[arnc] 23
sorry 21
zelot 15
Rock 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Terrorterran 10
Sacsri 9
Noble 9
JulyZerg 8
Dota 2
Gorgc8122
qojqva1611
Dendi748
Counter-Strike
fl0m2577
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor1310
crisheroes990
Liquid`Hasu573
Lowko488
Other Games
singsing2201
B2W.Neo1287
Beastyqt463
Livibee226
Hui .208
Liquid`VortiX149
KnowMe99
ArmadaUGS94
Mew2King80
elazer72
CosmosSc2 18
ZerO(Twitch)14
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream66
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 34
• Adnapsc2 8
• mYiSmile17
• poizon28 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 13
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 8409
• WagamamaTV203
League of Legends
• Jankos1981
Other Games
• Shiphtur5
Upcoming Events
FEL
1h 7m
AI Arena Tournament
2h 7m
BSL: Ladder Tournament
4h 7m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 7m
INu's Battles
21h 7m
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 4h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 19h
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
1d 20h
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
2 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
INu's Battles
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Copium Cup
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.